(08-25-2016 01:37 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  While certainly unnerving, ISIS infiltration and rockets are no threat to a nationalistic police state enjoying diplomatic immunity in the world no matter what it does.

Infiltration < Official and open segregation, massive violations of privacy and human rights
Rockets < Iron Dome system
Large-scale infiltration and rockets < Indiscriminatory napalm and cluster bombing

Conclusion:



If you don't believe me just check out how many large-scale terrorist attacks has Israel suffered in the last 5 years (hint: 1 (yes, ONE)). It's significantly less than you'd expect for a nation that everyone hates and is surrounded by hostile Arabs inclined towards terrorism.

Terrorism is something reserved for us cucked goys like Americans or French. Not for nations able and willing to protect themselves like Israel.

Israel is the 21st century's equivalent of Sparta.

(08-25-2016 02:02 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  Israel is the 21st century's equivalent of Sparta.

Haha what gave you that impression? Without the backing of the dominant superpower of the world they would fold in a decade.

This is why Israel frantically puts its tentacles everywhere in global politics but especially the U.S. political system where it matters the most. They know that without the political and social influence that they have in the U.S. they'd be fucked.

Quote:While certainly unnerving, ISIS infiltration and rockets are no threat to a nationalistic police state enjoying diplomatic immunity in the world no matter what it does.

Infiltration < Official and open segregation, massive violations of privacy and human rights
Rockets < Iron Dome system
Large-scale infiltration and rockets < Indiscriminatory napalm and cluster bombing

All things you mentioned are still possible, regardless of quantity of Iron Dome batteries, height of walls etc. Proof of that is 2014 war in Gaza (in which I participated, so a lot of info is from first, or second hand).

(I will not comment on the police state, it's not the topic. All I will say is that Israel is not a police state. Oh, by the way, there were major terrorist attacks recently - that is why gun laws were relaxed in Israel in the first place).


First, rockets. First of all, Iron Dome will not be able to do it's job if a salvo of rockets is launched at the same time (Hamas launched up to 7 at the same time). Some of those rockets even managed to hit TLV (one almost hit a big office building, but the wind miraculosly diverted it's trajectory). Now, given the fact that there is a lot of Hamas operatives in ISIS/FSA (that is why Iran got angry at Hamas)...they will likely use the same tactics in that scenario. And the North has a lot of potential targets. Second thing - if the target is a few hundred meters from the launch site, Iron Dome will not be able to intercept it (and the complementary laser defenses will take a few more years to develop - NAUTILUS was a failure). A lot died due to this flaw (and a rocket fell not far from me).


Infiltration is, regardless of walls, still possible. Again, 2014 war. Despite the fact that the Gaza wall is well guarded (cameras, remote controlled weapons systems, and 24/7 patrols), Hamas still managed to infiltrate via tunnels (one was discovered in a nearby settlement, I think it was Zikim). If they managed to use it...there would be a bloodbath. And tunnels are, as of yet, very hard to detect. Been in one. Gotta give credit to Hamas for that, it takes balls (and ages) to dig one.



And finally, to this forum. Many of us like to make fun of ISIS/FSA, because they shot like retards, and have a thing for goats. Do. Not. Underestimate. Them. Although they evidently lack skill, they have dedication.

If someone told you (assuming that you are an undersexed Beta - like most terrorists) that, if you die for the sake of Allah, you get to sleep with 72 Ivanka lookalikes (more if you kill an "infidel"), would you do it? Probably not, but many would. And that alone makes them (ISIS, FSA, Hamas...) very, very dangerous. They are like Vikings and Assasins (Google them and see their initiation rituals).

Quote:'s better not to get too wrapped up in historical minutae. I believe the answer as to why Israel is pursuing the policy it is now is more rooted in the present day and is wrapped up in a combination of agendas pushed by the elites as well as geopolitics.

There was one event that shook Israeli's elites to its core and that was the urban conflict with hezbollah that did not go exactly as planned back in 2006. It's true Israel won every military action but Hezbollah really gave them a black eye through a combination of guerilla warfare and global media propaganda. Does that sound familiar?

Israel is used to steamrolling its enemies. This is the first time in a long time that some paramilitary group actually put up good resistance.

Israel's military doctrine is similar to many small nations that are wealthy but don't have disposable manpower. They need to have force multiplier capability that far outweighs the enemy. The fact that Hezbollah was able to grind Israel down so much and inflict so many casualities probably brought about a feeling of existential threat and annhilation.

Since then Israel has felt that Iran poses a much greater threat at chiseling a greater piece of geopolitical dominance. Hezbollah is of course linked to Iran.

Don't forget that Sunnis have the blessing of the neocon establishment and have always worked as willing strongmen even when they were busy plotting their own global caliphate nonsense. I guess Israel felt Sunni madmen were more predictable and controllable and this is largely true to some extent.

In my humble opinion, it is more geopolitics than elites (and most of them are anti Israel, such as Palpatine - see his leaked papers). Now,the Middle East is a very wild place, and you simply can't play nice (it has been like that for hundreds, thousands of years). You have to be pragmatic. It is not Europe, in which one day we fight, and the other we drink tea (and game women). If you show any sign of weakness, you are dead. All are familiar with this rule - Arabs, Iran, Israel...everyone!


The conflict you spoke about is 2006 Lebanon war, and it was catastrophic (due to retarded military leadership, and much more, I will not bother you with the details). Also, attacking Hezbollah right where it wanted to did not help either. They fought relatively well in both conventional and informational warfare (so much about Zionist control of the MSM). That deserves a credit.


Steamrolling will work well in flat terrain (Sinai, 1967), provided that the enemy does not have ATGMs (1973). In Lebanon, which is everything but flat, it does not work. Israel did rather well in 1982, and I am puzzled why they did not use the same tricks again.


In the Middle East, everyone hates everyone. Iran hates Israel (and vice versa). Saudis hate Iran (and vice versa - even more than Israel). And Saudis hate Israel (and vice versa). The logical course of action would be to ally with someone who hates you...the least. In my humble opinion, that is Iran (both were allies before, and an average Iranian does not hate Israel or the West with such fervor we are led to believe by MSM. Compare that to the average Saudi, for example). Not to mention that relations with Lebanon and Syria might be normalized, because both of them are under Iranian orbit.


Of course, neocons and their masters will not agree with me, but we'll see. Hopefully Trump will put an end to that, and that is why I support him.

Quote:Haha what gave you that impression? Without the backing of the dominant superpower of the world they would fold in a decade.

This is why Israel frantically puts its tentacles everywhere in global politics but especially the U.S. political system where it matters the most. They know that without the political and social influence that they have in the U.S. they'd be fucked.

Respectfully disagree.


In 1948 they won without support from a dominant superpower. Hell, they had to rely on captured WW2 era German equipment.

In 1967...the key supporter (and arms seller) was France, hardly a superpower (sorry French!). Most equipment was French (AMX tanks, Dassault planes, FAL rifles...). US equipement was bought from Europeans , which were phasing it out ( such as Patton MBT's from Germany).

1973...all alone (the US resupply came when the war was almost over).


As I have stated before...neocons do not give a damn about America,you, me, Israel, Arabs...they care about their globalist masters. Want a proof? Look at Shapiro !

(08-25-2016 04:41 PM)Irenicus Wrote:  

Quote:While certainly unnerving, ISIS infiltration and rockets are no threat to a nationalistic police state enjoying diplomatic immunity in the world no matter what it does.

Infiltration < Official and open segregation, massive violations of privacy and human rights
Rockets < Iron Dome system
Large-scale infiltration and rockets < Indiscriminatory napalm and cluster bombing

All things you mentioned are still possible, regardless of quantity of Iron Dome batteries, height of walls etc. Proof of that is 2014 war in Gaza (in which I participated, so a lot of info is from first, or second hand).

(I will not comment on the police state, it's not the topic. All I will say is that Israel is not a police state. Oh, by the way, there were major terrorist attacks recently - that is why gun laws were relaxed in Israel in the first place).


First, rockets. First of all, Iron Dome will not be able to do it's job if a salvo of rockets is launched at the same time (Hamas launched up to 7 at the same time). Some of those rockets even managed to hit TLV (one almost hit a big office building, but the wind miraculosly diverted it's trajectory). Now, given the fact that there is a lot of Hamas operatives in ISIS/FSA (that is why Iran got angry at Hamas)...they will likely use the same tactics in that scenario. And the North has a lot of potential targets. Second thing - if the target is a few hundred meters from the launch site, Iron Dome will not be able to intercept it (and the complementary laser defenses will take a few more years to develop - NAUTILUS was a failure). A lot died due to this flaw (and a rocket fell not far from me).


Infiltration is, regardless of walls, still possible. Again, 2014 war. Despite the fact that the Gaza wall is well guarded (cameras, remote controlled weapons systems, and 24/7 patrols), Hamas still managed to infiltrate via tunnels (one was discovered in a nearby settlement, I think it was Zikim). If they managed to use it...there would be a bloodbath. And tunnels are, as of yet, very hard to detect. Been in one. Gotta give credit to Hamas for that, it takes balls (and ages) to dig one.



And finally, to this forum. Many of us like to make fun of ISIS/FSA, because they shot like retards, and have a thing for goats. Do. Not. Underestimate. Them. Although they evidently lack skill, they have dedication.

If someone told you (assuming that you are an undersexed Beta - like most terrorists) that, if you die for the sake of Allah, you get to sleep with 72 Ivanka lookalikes (more if you kill an "infidel"), would you do it? Probably not, but many would. And that alone makes them (ISIS, FSA, Hamas...) very, very dangerous. They are like Vikings and Assasins (Google them and see their initiation rituals).

Quote:'s better not to get too wrapped up in historical minutae. I believe the answer as to why Israel is pursuing the policy it is now is more rooted in the present day and is wrapped up in a combination of agendas pushed by the elites as well as geopolitics.

There was one event that shook Israeli's elites to its core and that was the urban conflict with hezbollah that did not go exactly as planned back in 2006. It's true Israel won every military action but Hezbollah really gave them a black eye through a combination of guerilla warfare and global media propaganda. Does that sound familiar?

Israel is used to steamrolling its enemies. This is the first time in a long time that some paramilitary group actually put up good resistance.

Israel's military doctrine is similar to many small nations that are wealthy but don't have disposable manpower. They need to have force multiplier capability that far outweighs the enemy. The fact that Hezbollah was able to grind Israel down so much and inflict so many casualities probably brought about a feeling of existential threat and annhilation.

Since then Israel has felt that Iran poses a much greater threat at chiseling a greater piece of geopolitical dominance. Hezbollah is of course linked to Iran.

Don't forget that Sunnis have the blessing of the neocon establishment and have always worked as willing strongmen even when they were busy plotting their own global caliphate nonsense. I guess Israel felt Sunni madmen were more predictable and controllable and this is largely true to some extent.

In my humble opinion, it is more geopolitics than elites (and most of them are anti Israel, such as Palpatine - see his leaked papers). Now,the Middle East is a very wild place, and you simply can't play nice (it has been like that for hundreds, thousands of years). You have to be pragmatic. It is not Europe, in which one day we fight, and the other we drink tea (and game women). If you show any sign of weakness, you are dead. All are familiar with this rule - Arabs, Iran, Israel...everyone!


The conflict you spoke about is 2006 Lebanon war, and it was catastrophic (due to retarded military leadership, and much more, I will not bother you with the details). Also, attacking Hezbollah right where it wanted to did not help either. They fought relatively well in both conventional and informational warfare (so much about Zionist control of the MSM). That deserves a credit.


Steamrolling will work well in flat terrain (Sinai, 1967), provided that the enemy does not have ATGMs (1973). In Lebanon, which is everything but flat, it does not work. Israel did rather well in 1982, and I am puzzled why they did not use the same tricks again.


In the Middle East, everyone hates everyone. Iran hates Israel (and vice versa). Saudis hate Iran (and vice versa - even more than Israel). And Saudis hate Israel (and vice versa). The logical course of action would be to ally with someone who hates you...the least. In my humble opinion, that is Iran (both were allies before, and an average Iranian does not hate Israel or the West with such fervor we are led to believe by MSM. Compare that to the average Saudi, for example). Not to mention that relations with Lebanon and Syria might be normalized, because both of them are under Iranian orbit.


Of course, neocons and their masters will not agree with me, but we'll see. Hopefully Trump will put an end to that, and that is why I support him.

Quote:Haha what gave you that impression? Without the backing of the dominant superpower of the world they would fold in a decade.

This is why Israel frantically puts its tentacles everywhere in global politics but especially the U.S. political system where it matters the most. They know that without the political and social influence that they have in the U.S. they'd be fucked.

Respectfully disagree.


In 1948 they won without support from a dominant superpower. Hell, they had to rely on captured WW2 era German equipment.

In 1967...the key supporter (and arms seller) was France, hardly a superpower (sorry French!). Most equipment was French (AMX tanks, Dassault planes, FAL rifles...). US equipement was bought from Europeans , which were phasing it out ( such as Patton MBT's from Germany).

1973...all alone (the US resupply came when the war was almost over).


As I have stated before...neocons do not give a damn about America,you, me, Israel, Arabs...they care about their globalist masters. Want a proof? Look at Shapiro !

I think the lesson of history is that it is better to overestimate your enemies as a rule than to underestimate them.

Underestimation very often leads to military disasters no matter how pathetic one's enemies may appear to be.

This whole situation keeps getting even more complicated. Turkey is now pushing deeper into the Kurdish-held part of Syria west of the Euphrates, and the Kurds have lost a significant amount of territory in a relatively short time. That's going to make it very hard to fight ISIS in the north, which is probably what Turkey wants.

Also, the Syrian army probably needs to be smarter with its tanks. Every time I look at liveuamap it seems a Syrian tank is getting blown up by an ATGM. Put some marksmen near those things, or stop putting them in the open so much.

What we will be seeing is Turkey stepping foot into what it thinks is a puddle but is a huge hole filled with murky water and god knows what else. The stupid bastards have ended themselves.

Kurds will fight to the end.

I've never understood why Turkey hates the Kurds so much. The Kurds seem to be the most logical group to ally with and support. Wouldn't the Kurds the best choice to rally around to be a stable muslim group?

One has to pitty these Kurds for their sheer incapacity and inability to conduct strategy for themselves as people, or to foresee further than 1 month, for their poor choice of allies to rely on.

In typical minority nations spirit (most, but not all minorities behave this way) they act in opportunist, unscrupulous and disloyal way. They swap one ally for another, they bounce furiously from one strategy to other, only relying on support they receive, never fully understanding it's geopolitical nature.

They are still at the peak of their influence. But it already began to fade. They controlled large chunks of territory in both Iraq, Syria and Turkey, with plenty of populous towns and cities.

They had alliances that were somewhat suspicious, but still, promising. Assad had no intentions whatsoever of challenging their territorial gains. Iraqi government gave them self rule. Turkey, their main opponent, was under total pressure from Russia, and could not even think of trying to intervene in Syria, after Russia issued stern threats.

What did they do ? They decided to seize opportunity, firmly relying on USA/Israeli support, which can diminish any time they lose interest in that theater, leaving them with nothing but dicks in their hands. They unleashed furious attacks on all parties in the region, for no other reason but because at the moment, they could.

Well, that moment has passed. Turkey attacked them not only in Syria, but also Iraq, where Iraqi army is rapidly moving north. They are under attack in Turkey for long time, and now, they can only be at peace because Assad has full hands in Aleppo, and elsewhere. Otherwise, for their treachery of a stable ally, who allowed them self rule even under government areas, they would be facing a 3 pronged offensive and could only look in the sky in expectation of US air force, whose interference would be under big question.

Turkey does not have to necessarily seize their territory in Syria, but they will be steadily making their lives worse, interrupting their communications, and destabilizing their already fragile state, effectively, buying Assad and rest of non-Kurdish elements enough time to settle their business.

You're missing the point here Orion. You expect the Kurds to not seize an advantage? It is a military tactic to seize territory from your enemy (ISIS, Al'Nusra) and occupy it to deny them that land and anything held within it.

Turkey hates the Kurds because of the PKK. Kurds are Kurds to them regardless of what country and it shows in places around Europe where Turks and Kurds bash each others heads in. For them to see Kurdish military gains in a country whose government and military is effectively neutered in vast swathes of its own territory is just too much of a pill to swallow.

Un-officially they had been attacking Kurdish and Syrian military targets for months on end but only now they have made it official as a big Fuck You to the US. Putin had a meeting with Erdogan before this went down so the Russians are not going to do anything unless they attack Assad's forces.

This coming from a country who shot down a Russian jet not too long ago by the way. Did I forget to mention they supported ISIS through oil exports and movement of arms and man power across their borders?

If Turkey wants a war with the Kurds in Turkey, Syria and Iraq then they will drag the whole of NATO and Europe in with it.

(08-29-2016 08:55 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Putin had a meeting with Erdogan before this went down so the Russians are not going to do anything unless they attack Assad's forces.

This exactly. Putin did not have to have a meeting with Erdogan, nor give clearance to their intrusion. Just days prior to Turkish intervention, PYD launched an attack against government forces in Hasaka, effectively expelling them. They won't get second chance at a deal with Assad, that's the point. They have been jumping back and forth for too long. They can hold out in the North-east, but west of Euphrates they are finished. Turkey will surely proceed to remove them from Azaz too. And it's gonna become increasingly tight for them up there...

This was an odd find, considering I've been collecting parts to build one of these.

https://warisboring.com/syria-and-iraq-a....ggx6rm88x



Yes, that is an StG-44.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.92%C3%9733mm_Kurz

Apparently these old dogs still see regular use with Lebanese militias.

p.s. Sorry for not dropping the size but I figured some of you might appreciate the detail.

That is pretty cool. An automated setup to fire the gun at the press of a button and the digital camera giving crystal clear viewing.

Such a pity they can't do the same for their culture.

What's the Russian endgame here?

http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/artic...ieder.html

Quote:2014 British reporter Anthony Loyd is kidnapped in Syria, tortured and brutally beaten. Now he recognizes in a video his tormentor again. This is now fighting on the US side.

On Facebook Loyd discovered now according to own data video recordings that show his tormentor called Hakim Abu Jamal. In it he wielding a Kalashnikov and celebrating the victory of a US-backed rebel group in the border town of Al-Rai. "It was the face of a man whom I last saw in May 2014 as he leaned forward to me twice to shoot at close range in the left ankle," Loyd wrote. Around him onlookers had watched.

He had been abused by his captors as "CIA spy", Loyd drove added overlooking the US Secret Service. "Now it seems as if he was working himself along with them."

The US Army responded accordingly in recent days not to request the "Times", as it might be, that "as a famous kidnapper is with ties to extremists US security checks".

- Russians are allied to Assad and Hamas
- Turks are allied to so-called moderate rebels (they cut heads off and rape too)
- Kurds in Syria and Iraq are allied to US and NATO

- Turks want to kill Kurds in Syria and ISIS
- Kurds want to kill ISIS and Al'Nusra
- FSA (moderate headcutters) want to kill Kurds, Syrian military & any Christian they get ahold of
- Syrian Army & Russia want to kill FSA, ISIS and other groups
- ISIS wants to kill everyone
- Israel wants to kill anyone it feels it can get away with

- Turkey has announced it will target Westerners fighting for Kurds


Now the billion, or trillion dollar question is; How will this play out without resorting to a quagmire of international "oh shit moments".

The theater of war we are seeing here will not be over soon. Turkey has invaded its neighbour with tanks, APCs, jets and soldiers on the ground to fight an enemy who for all other purposes has been fighting alongside Syrian & Russian militarizes and backed by US/NATO allies.

I don't doubt Turkey will remove ISIS or better yet, deny them an area they can cause problems but its telling them to go elsewhere. The Kurds meanwhile are going to be hit the most.

Big gains lately for the SAA in Aleppo. Artillery barracks taken from US/Saudi backed jihadists + big advance made in S Aleppo.

The lads are over the Moon.



Soldiers from the SSNP (Syrian National Socialist Party) Yep, you guessed it, hard core Right nationalists.


SAA Martyrs



More SAA martyrs






Greek Orthodox priest visiting SAA soldiers on front line near Hama

Meanwhile, Obama panicking that his Contras are taking a big pasting in Aleppo. Islamists in E. Aleppo now cut off and encircled after offensive by SAA backed by RuAF.

Looks like this thread is the closest thing we have to a "Syrian War Thread," so it makes sense to drop this info here.

I've been following the Syrian War pretty intensely for a while, and as I see it, the very best reporting on the war is actually coming not from the mainstream media (surprised?) but from independent, on-the-spot users of social media. That trend has been going on worldwide for a while, but it's clear that the mainstream media has lost so much credibility that we can't expect anything except spin and agitprop from it.

I've gotten a few emails here and there from guys wanting to get up to speed on the details, so it made sense to put this post up here.

These are the Twitter accounts I follow and recommend. In no particular order, they are:

@ikhras [means "shut up" in Arabic]
@Pray4Souri
@BBassem7
@HKX07
@EHSANI22
@walid970721 [this guy is very good]
@Souria4Syrians [the "Nimr" Tiger, this guy is also very good]
@PetoLucem [great mapwork, updated regularly]
@RenieriArts
@snarwani
@iadtawil
@IraqiSecurity [Focuses on Iraq, but has a lot of good Syria stuff also]

And last but not least, a very special recommendation for the great Ivan Sidorenko:

@IvanSidorenko1

Ivan, whoever he is, has real-time photos, video clips, and reporting from the front lines. He's probably embedded with the Syrian Army, but he carries footage from Hezballah units as well.

It goes without saying that all of these accounts are loyalist, pro-government. I made a decision at the outset not to follow any of the so-called "rebel" accounts or opposition accounts, as well as the jihadi Islamist ones. But I do keep an eye on them. For me there was nothing to be gained by listening to rebel propaganda.

Most of the other accounts are locals or Syrian expats with relatives in the area. Their information is far more reliable than the nonsense spewed out by the mainstream media, which is agenda-driven.

For full disclosure, I am pro-Assad and pro-secular government, and I consider the rebels to be illegitimate tools of foreign powers.

In any case, I hope this list above will help people keep up with the action as it happens.

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Very interesting. I'm glad that you are following this Quintus, and pulling the covers off the bullshit, because trying to figure out this stuff by myself is almost impossible with out having any experience or previous interest in warfare.

It's upsetting having the blinds lifted to view the reality of what has become of the the western world.

@Quintus Curtius: Check the Syrian Conflicts generals in 4chan´s /pol. It is usually a big resume of what those accounts you listed says.

Let's say Trump wins, and him being the only rationale actor, will be the only one who wouldn't start WW3 with Russia.
Assad wins, Russia blocks the Qatari pipeline.

How fucked would the Saudis be in that case? That's the reason Saudis want Assad gone in the first place, no?

If the Saudis are fucked, the US petrodollar loses it's main support buyer. That's why US and Saudis are in league, along with Israel wanting shia Hezbollah removed from their area (well, and probably a pathological, centuries old hatred of Russians).

I don't see how conflict can be avoided here, that pipeline is too valuable and I'm not sure Saudi can even afford to lose in this case. If Hillary wins WW3 with Russia is almost inevitable.

The Saudis lose either way and they will lump it. All things come to pass and there is no reason why fracking cannot meet the energy needs of the US and EU. Africa has a lot of oil too.

Saudi's don't care about Qatari pipeline...

Saudi's see Syria as vital to their regional power struggle against Iran. This is also their reason for starting the war in Yemen.

Yes. Its basically Sunni Vs Shia.

Houthis in Yemen are Shia, as is Iran, Iraq, Hezbollah and many civilians in Syria alongside Alawite & Christians.

The Gulf states and throat cutters are Sunni's or identify as such.

framing it as religious is short sighted.... large portion of syrian army is sunni.... also houthi rebels have support from sunni population.

the saudi's have traditionally used religion as a powerful tool in foreign policy/relations for long term influence. during the arab spring they became opportunistic in the same ways that erdogan did. obviously this has backfired on both of them. western states did too