Post: #76

(01-24-2019 05:38 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  I've told plenty of girls I'm in my 40s pre-bang. They love it, half of them don't believe me anyway. To a 19yr old 38, 41, 43, etc are all the same age. She decided within 15 seconds of meeting you if you were fuckable or not. Don't kid yourself.

Any girl over 25 literally doesn't give a fuck how old you are if you don't look 'old.'

Whether 19 or 26 they'd rather know you're good in bed and know what you're doing or won't judge them after.

Well, it's clear you're not lacking in self-confidence, though I think you're an exception to the rule.

What might be working is that you're saying you're in your 40s when you're initially chatting them up. It's vague enough without raising too many alarms. Stating you're 40+ on your dating profile will definitely not work for attracting a 19 or 26 year old (possibly even up to 30 in the US with all the men she has available online).

I also agree that most girls know (at a primal level) if they're interested in you in the first few seconds of an interaction.

Anyway, it won't hurt to try the next time the age question comes up. Thanks for sharing.

Post: #77

(01-24-2019 06:33 AM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  Lying about age can work from a pragmatic perspective. However it all revolves around how you want to perceive yourself, including in terms of self respect. Being aged 38, I prefer to lose the occasional bang for being honest than being caught in a lie, or having to tell the truth at a later stage because I developed a relation (as it happened before). Of course if they don't ask, I don't tell, and I never raise the age topic in the conversation...

Yeah I had it happen before where I lied about my age at the front and then we got deeper into each other and it was mad awkward to come clean. I never truly did. She wanted to be my girlfriend though and I heavily considered it. She's 19.

What happened in this situation for you? I never came clean to this day.

Post: #78

As Chris Rock said about women: You got on heels, you aint that tall… you got on makeup, your face don’t look like that… you got a weave, your hair ain’t that long… you got a wonder bra on, your titties ain’t that big. Everything about you is a lie and you expect me to tell the truth? F*ck you.”

Ronnie:
[to George] I've been living a lie.
George Costanza:
You've been living a lie? I've been living... like twenty.

Post: #79

(01-25-2019 01:39 AM)MMM Wrote:  As Chris Rock said about women: You got on heels, you aint that tall… you got on makeup, your face don’t look like that… you got a weave, your hair ain’t that long… you got a wonder bra on, your titties ain’t that big. Everything about you is a lie and you expect me to tell the truth? F*ck you.”

A man who understands women.

Being the best and most honest guy you can be is only doing her a favor. She's telling you little white lies everyday of the week in some form or fashion. Ask any girl (even "good girls") what her lay count is or how many orbiters she's in contact with and I'll bet her answer is less than honest, to put it politely.

Post: #80

Girls do the same shit, but they age like milk so it's a more noticeable lie.

Post: #81

(01-15-2019 05:28 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  This just isn't true. There are some girls who are really into you and then when they find out your age, it is like a mental barrier their horniness just can't get past.

They just shut down.

Like it puts an image of their dad and his friends in her head where it wasn't before.

It's true. You are a 22 year old man and you are about to shag a bird who you think is 35, old but doable, then you find out she is 48. 48 is a granny to a 22 year old. No thanks....

Post: #82

(01-19-2019 06:14 PM)mcw78912 Wrote:  Why would you want to shut down LinkedIn. Career always takes priority over pussy, in my opinion.

If you're concerned about them finding out your real age from google, just give them a fake name instead, with a fake facebook and a fake age.

I've never been on linked in. Why use it? If I want job I apply for one. My facebook is locked down, private and non searchable, I don't want nosey fuckers looking at it. If they like my CV I go for an interview. If they like the interview I get the job simple as that, who needs linked in, its like the facebook of work.

Post: #83

(01-25-2019 05:00 PM)fmman Wrote:  

(01-19-2019 06:14 PM)mcw78912 Wrote:  Why would you want to shut down LinkedIn. Career always takes priority over pussy, in my opinion.

If you're concerned about them finding out your real age from google, just give them a fake name instead, with a fake facebook and a fake age.

I've never been on linked in. Why use it? If I want job I apply for one. My facebook is locked down, private and non searchable, I don't want nosey fuckers looking at it. If they like my CV I go for an interview. If they like the interview I get the job simple as that, who needs linked in, its like the facebook of work.

Linkedin is a must for real career types. I don't know anyone without a LinkedIn that has a good white collar job.

Post: #84

I'm 43 but thanks to very good musculature, daily facial cream, and a full head of blonde hair... I typically hear 33 as a guess. I play soccer with younger dudes in their early 20s and a few didn't believe me when I quietly told them my age.
The RealAge Sharecare test put me at 32, so that was nice. You guys should take it. It measures not your chronological age, but your real age based on lifestyle and genetics.
So what do I tell girls?
My age. 43.
No reason to lie. The ones who want you will want you. The ones who don't, don't. I'm not here to trick anybody.

Also, a lot of my dating/playing around is done either in Latin America or with Latins in America, and they have totally different standards than the Anglosphere. My most recent sidepiece, who I dated for 7 months last year, was a gorgeous little 21-yr-old. She was Mexican living in the US. She just wanted to fuck a good-looking older white man -- not for money, but just for feelz. Daddy issues? Maybe, but not that I know of; her dad is alive and well and they talk. More it's just culture. She'd probably been fantasizing about a blonde/blue gringo movie star manhandling her in bed, and I fit the bill.

Regardless, if you want to stay in the dating game as you get older, you have to build a suite of talents that make you the Most Interesting Man In The World. Mine include good dancing, mad guitar skills, soccer talent, very fluent Spanish, and an interesting career. Those things carry weight. True, I don't make as much money as a white-collar 43-yr-old but I make up for it with color, interest, passion, and independence.

I was briefly dating a 23-yr-old last summer and one night, post-coital, I asked her what she found most attractive about me, being 20 years older. (This was casual market research for how best to exploit the young ladies of Gen Z in the future.)
I wasn't expecting her answer: "Your stories are really cool. Younger guys don't have any good stories."
Life experience: +1.
Still, don't let me mislead you. This chick didn't really get interested in me until I sent her a shirtless selfie.
Her response: "wow you're ripped ok yeah let's meet up." So you DEFINITELY need to be in tip-top physical shape to pull the young ones if you're over 40. She didn't like my cool stories until she saw my abs. lol

Sorry for the long response, but I have a lot of thoughts and opinions.
I'll be posting more on this forum in this year, if that's all right with y'all.

Post: #85

(01-23-2019 06:40 AM)brianmark Wrote:  I also don't listen to old music. I like what is out today. You have to be fun. Girls like fun guys.

Amen x1000.

Back when people used to array all of their CDs in their living rooms, I could look through the titles and tell exactly what year the person lost interest in new music.

Stay up to date. Read Rolling Stone at the very least. Watch the charts. Be sonically adventurous. Explore Spotify and YouTube. And then joke about new music with any younger girls you're macking on -- in a way that shows that you know the music well. Hell, talk about it with older women you're macking on - that's subtle dread game.

Names like St. Vincent, Alessia Cara, Mø, Phantogram, of course Shakira, and many others are female artists that should be on your tongue. Some are really good.

Maybe you still don't like hip-hop. That means you haven't listened to hip hop in the last three years - part of that genre really changed into something mopey, melodic, and soft. Listen to Logic, Travis Scott, Drake, etc. Hell, even John Mayer is contributing to Travis Scott records.

I'll stop banging on about this. But connecting with younger girls requires it.

Post: #86

Ok guys newbie post.

I'm 40 yrs old and on online dating I've got 35. First most of the girls- they have got no clue about age - one was 100% sure that I'm 29 and when I've told her 35 she was very suspicious... WTF

Now question to more experienced members:
I had a situation that girl was really into me but she was asking hundreds of questions about my studies and in general life... after few drinks I was really struggling to keep my story - You know I'm lying about my age so I have to remind myself re-calculate things before you say something.

But to be honest it is getting difficult after few drinks...

How do you deal with this? Have you got some prepared stories - about your own history?

or do you just treat questions like this like a shit test?


I had twice situation like this with 25&26 yrs old.

Post: #87

(01-27-2019 04:52 PM)AR2D2 Wrote:  Ok guys newbie post.

I'm 40 yrs old and on online dating I've got 35. First most of the girls- they have got no clue about age - one was 100% sure that I'm 29 and when I've told her 35 she was very suspicious... WTF

Now question to more experienced members:
I had a situation that girl was really into me but she was asking hundreds of questions about my studies and in general life... after few drinks I was really struggling to keep my story - You know I'm lying about my age so I have to remind myself re-calculate things before you say something.

But to be honest it is getting difficult after few drinks...

How do you deal with this? Have you got some prepared stories - about your own history?

or do you just treat questions like this like a shit test?


I had twice situation like this with 25&26 yrs old.

You have to have your story down FLAT before you go out and start drinking.
Example:
I am 34, I was born in 1984, I graduated High School in 2003, I am a consultant for a large company- then you need extensions based on the girl
Example:Girl 1- French 23- "What company do you work for?"-in this case Biotech/Military- This is a short term girl , she will be leaving town soon -no need to keep up image for long

Example:Girl 2-Local Cuban 24-"Where do you work?" -in this case I am a consultant for a drug company-This has the possibility of a three month sexual relationship-she lives here and the lie is close to actual work

Example:Girl 3-New professional from out of town 28-1st year medical resident-"what do you do"-This one is tricky the truth may work here (tell her I am 43 and what I really do) but a lie will work just as well(I am 34 and a consultant)-depends on what you want from the encounter.

Main point -have your dates, story, and necessary extensions down cold-and be able to transition seamlessly and without hesitation. Let her imagination fill (project) the gaps.

Post: #88

(01-27-2019 05:32 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  Main point -have your dates, story, and necessary extensions down cold-and be able to transition seamlessly and without hesitation. Let her imagination fill (project) the gaps.

Yes yes and yes. Get used to telling the same story over and over.

Post: #89

Anyone have stories or tips re: having a girl ask to see your ID or otherwise confront you to confirm your age?

In my late 30's I've been consistently telling (online-I don't usually lie about it if we meet in person) girls that I'm 8-10 years younger, never any issues. But mainly 18-24 age group.

If I end up revealing my real age or more likely having them guess an intermediate age and "going with that" after dating/fucking a few times it's never been a real issue.

I've had a couple 22-27 age group ask directly to see my ID especially in line at a bar for example and there doesn't seem to be a smooth way to deflect the situation with humor or etc.

Post: #90

(01-28-2019 05:00 PM)dirty_old Wrote:  Anyone have stories or tips re: having a girl ask to see your ID or otherwise confront you to confirm your age?

In my late 30's I've been consistently telling (online-I don't usually lie about it if we meet in person) girls that I'm 8-10 years younger, never any issues. But mainly 18-24 age group.

If I end up revealing my real age or more likely having them guess an intermediate age and "going with that" after dating/fucking a few times it's never been a real issue.

I've had a couple 22-27 age group ask directly to see my ID especially in line at a bar for example and there doesn't seem to be a smooth way to deflect the situation with humor or etc.

I don't know how to get past that-I have had issues when opening or closing a tab in Miami, because they request ID with a credit card-I carry cash for that reason. A fake ID perhaps.....

Post: #91

(01-28-2019 05:00 PM)dirty_old Wrote:  Anyone have stories or tips re: having a girl ask to see your ID or otherwise confront you to confirm your age?

In my late 30's I've been consistently telling (online-I don't usually lie about it if we meet in person) girls that I'm 8-10 years younger, never any issues. But mainly 18-24 age group.

If I end up revealing my real age or more likely having them guess an intermediate age and "going with that" after dating/fucking a few times it's never been a real issue.

I've had a couple 22-27 age group ask directly to see my ID especially in line at a bar for example and there doesn't seem to be a smooth way to deflect the situation with humor or etc.

'You don't need to know my government name...' delivered with a proper smirk.

Never ever comply with their shit tests.

Post: #92

(01-14-2019 09:59 PM)bradz Wrote:  I’ve played it both ways. And been burned too. I’m 45 now and usually get mistaken for at least 10 yrs younger. I’ve bet shots about my age (usually win) and have had it turn into a full on slutty fwb thing. But I lie usually since I go for younger women.

Elaborate?? bet shots as in?

(01-14-2019 10:42 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I simply refuse to tell, even if she's persistent.

"Where I come from, it's not nice to ask a man's age."

"It's a secret."

You don't have to lie, just don't tell them until after sex, where it's less likely to cause her to walk away.

To help gauge how important the age gap will be to her, I ask her how old the oldest man she's dated has been. If that guy is younger than me by more than 3 years, I definitely don't tell. If it's a guy my age, I know I can tell her without a problem, but I probably still won't tell her.

IS IT REALLY? It's not. Rational/ Logical mind versus Feeling/ emotional mind.

I had similar moral ethical mind issues. Did not know whether to be truthful or lie or so on etc. How much to share or deny.. Then over time I learnt, I do not OWE people a background check.

So I used the standard.. "Guess" Gambit. .. & variations of it.

Then I realized something while consulting, keep the CLIENT happy, even if it means they do not want the truth.

CLIENTS hate being told the truth about how crappy their stuff is... They want it SUGAR COATED.

Why does someone in CBD career not wear a crappy suit for an interview or meeting? So that Interviewer can focus on YOU and YOUR CONTENT & VIBE, not the "extraneous" stuff that does not matter.

Does it matter to a career interview if you do 20/ 30 / 40 pushups? IRRELEVANT.

Same way, DENYING & DEFLECTING AWAY from "IRRELEVANT" subjects/ information is what I tend towards. Her AGE, DEGREE, CAREER etc dont matter, NEITHER DO MINE.

Whether you are republican or democrat or communist or socialist or Funded startup or Bootstrapped does not matter.. in this context.

OUR "Chemistry" & "Interaction" / VIBE matters.

Focus & Present on what matters to the INTERACTION, to it moving FORWARD & PROGRESSING and BECOMING ENRICHING FUN for the parties involved.

The 2 People, their Personalities, characteristics, mannerisms etc MATTER.

So why give them "Information" that does not "ADD / CONTRIBUTE" to the WELL BEING of the INTERACTION? That's the little "LIVING ENTITY" that matters.

Its not like they WERE, ARE or WILL BE.. Bastions of Truth - Hypocrisy thy name - They dont need to be, neither do you.

PS: Case in point made by this Chris Rock thing.. and the Feminist in a Fire bit by Bill Burr. Another one by Dave Chapelle I think.. "Dress like a Ho, but I am not a Ho" "Dressed like a policeman." "Uniform etc"

(01-25-2019 01:39 AM)MMM Wrote:  As Chris Rock said about women: You got on heels, you aint that tall… you got on makeup, your face don’t look like that… you got a weave, your hair ain’t that long… you got a wonder bra on, your titties ain’t that big. Everything about you is a lie and you expect me to tell the truth? F*ck you.”

Ronnie:
[to George] I've been living a lie.
George Costanza:
You've been living a lie? I've been living... like twenty.

Post: #93

(01-25-2019 01:25 AM)jacknap Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 06:33 AM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  Lying about age can work from a pragmatic perspective. However it all revolves around how you want to perceive yourself, including in terms of self respect. Being aged 38, I prefer to lose the occasional bang for being honest than being caught in a lie, or having to tell the truth at a later stage because I developed a relation (as it happened before). Of course if they don't ask, I don't tell, and I never raise the age topic in the conversation...

Yeah I had it happen before where I lied about my age at the front and then we got deeper into each other and it was mad awkward to come clean. I never truly did. She wanted to be my girlfriend though and I heavily considered it. She's 19.

What happened in this situation for you? I never came clean to this day.

It was fine in the end of the day, it was just a 1 month relation without future, as I saw it at the outset. But I am completely sure that I lost a lot of respect after she caught me in this lie.

Post: #94

In my opinion, it is absolutely retarded for any guy over 28 to not lie about their age on dating apps.

Then again, it took me almost a year before I realized this. So I will fully admit I was retarded in this aspect.

The dates I went on post age change on dating apps were 100% the same as before. Not once did it come up during the date. How lame is a date when age comes up? If you find yourself talking about age during a date, maybe it means the date isn't going well anyway. I say the world "maybe" because for people like AtlantaMan who started this great thread, I can see what he's talking about.

On a good internet date, most women will gleefully fall into a state of doting naivete.

Many women feel utterly depressed about their age as soon as they hit 22 years old. They don't want to bring it up either, at least not on a first good date where they are trying to impress you and keep up the good mood.

After you get close, and she is happy with you, why will she be angry with you doing something that allowed her to meet and date such an amazing guy?

If she gets seriously mad about it, but actually loves you, explain the logic above. Wonderful catch 22 that gets their mind spinning and makes them like you more.

In person, the most successful and pleasant interactions/pickups I've had also never had age come up once.

Post: #95

I personally don't do dating apps or social media-But if I do I am going to be lying there too- Again I am not doing any of this because I lack confidence, I am actually playing down my accomplishments, I am doing it for sex. Period.

I work hard, I work out, and I deserve to eat at the top of the food chain-I will have the filet (Filet = 18-25 year old women)rare-nice, warm and pink in the center, please trim all the fat-Thank You.

Post: #96

I subtract ten years from my age. I made the mistake of being honest recently and now t cost me.

Post: #97

LOL Manage your Life like a BOSS.

If you are over 40 YOU NEED TO CONTROL FRAME with younger women. Let that sink in. YOU NEED TO CONTROL FRAME.

Success is Secrecy and Secrecy is Success - women only have a limited need to know to fulfill the position you are interviewing them for - All women must fulfill a useful position otherwise they are redundant (useless) or worse Out of Control.

I set up all interactions up with younger women that I am the BOSS and they are being interviewed for any of the possible positions beyond missionary or her on all fours I might have in mind. Positions include Protege, Muse, PA, VPA (Very Personal Assistant), Personal Secretary, Comptroller, Power Couple, Trad Wife, Wise Guy's Wife... depending upon her dreams and desires that I ASK HER QUESTIONS ABOUT.

If they throw age wealth and education shit tests at me I change frame back to my Frame Control Interview of them and if they begin to become persistent with sidetracking my frame control I simply say something outrageous that I am a former Nuclear Hit man for the United States Government and am now focused on Investments Management and am seeking a Protege, Muse, PA, VPA (Very Personal Assistant) Personal Secretary - Keeper of Some but not all of my Secrets, Power Couple, Potential Trad Wife, or Wise Guy Wife as the case may be and if she is difficult in any way - I simply end the conversation with "You may not have the temperament or personality for the long term position I am in the market to fill."

The old Trump Art of the Deal walk away negotiation tactic - they either panic (Dread Game) and try to prove to you why they are the perfect girl for your position(s) and you retake control of frame and venue bounce back to your hotel room for Champagne on Ice and give them a robe and tell them to go freshen up (Shower their pits and snatch) and get ready to move onto the sexual compliance phase of the interview. Or they do not comply with your frame control and you do not waste any more of your time, pay the drinks tab and give her a $20 bill towards her cab fare and go onto your next "interview" that you had stacked in your schedule until you find the one or 5 or 10 plates that will fill your specific agreed-upon positions.

To control frame you have to Think and Act like the Boss - you are in control, you give the orders and ask the questions and they comply. The day she begins to become difficult and not comply is the day you need to next her out of your rotation because she can no longer be trusted to perform in her designated Position.

A BOSS Never has to lie because he never answers unproductive questions.

Manage your Life like a BOSS.

Post: #98

Surprising how almost all the guys on this thread claim they look younger than their age and guys in their 30s are still commenting. For anyone who is 30-36 that is your physical prime and you should not complain at all about age!

Let's leave this thread only for those 40+. So when girls ask for my age I tell them like it is, I am 40. If they don't like it I go for another one. To be honest it's not much of an issue as I honestly cant even converse properly with most girls under 25 due to their low maturity levels. There is almost nothing in-common I have with them and due to most having very limited life-experience half the topics are off limits. I still can't understand how some of the guys on here keep going for women half their age. Do they dumb themselves down with alcohol during those dates?

My recommendation is to date 30+ and age will never be a problem. Many of these women do have their heads on straight and are not as shallow as the annoying 21 year olds. Also, travel outside the west and the scene get's so much better for us older guys.

Post: #99

I'm 41 and have my Tinder set up at 34. Most of the times, age doesn't come up on dates. The few times that did, I told them my real age and could smash without any problem.

Post: #100

(01-30-2019 08:39 AM)TripleG Wrote:  Surprising how almost all the guys on this thread claim they look younger than their age and guys in their 30s are still commenting. For anyone who is 30-36 that is your physical prime and you should not complain at all about age!

Let's leave this thread only for those 40+. So when girls ask for my age I tell them like it is, I am 40. If they don't like it I go for another one. To be honest it's not much of an issue as I honestly cant even converse properly with most girls under 25 due to their low maturity levels. There is almost nothing in-common I have with them and due to most having very limited life-experience half the topics are off limits. I still can't understand how some of the guys on here keep going for women half their age. Do they dumb themselves down with alcohol during those dates?

My recommendation is to date 30+ and age will never be a problem. Many of these women do have their heads on straight and are not as shallow as the annoying 21 year olds. Also, travel outside the west and the scene get's so much better for us older guys.

Two things:
1) Accept young, immature girls for what they are. My sidepiece, who is 21, knows almost nothing. She's pretty but ignorant. She doesn't even know how to chop vegetables. So during the few hours we have together, when we're not fucking, I teach her how to cook. That's the only possible "relationship" we will have.

Maybe you need to get rid of the assumption that it's a "relationship of equals" with these women. It's not, never will be. They literally have nothing to offer except their young bodies. I feel sorry for them.

2) The best sex I've had, with the hottest female bodies, has come from women +30. Much love to the slightly older women. I know what they're capable of lol.