Post: #1

In the last week I've gotten two numbers from girls who say they have boyfriends.

The first one casually mentioned it a few minutes after she gave me her number.

The second one not-so-casually mentioned it when I talked about a second meeting. I said "as friends then" and she gave it to me.



The first one has not answered my 2 texts and I dont have a good feeling about the second one. Thoughts on this?

Post: #2

I have lots of thoughts on this subject, brah.

If you're only looking for a one-nighter, wives and girlfriends are the way to go.

Nice job with the numbers.

Don't forget that the girls had dirty thoughts on their mind when they gave them to you. You need to move on that.

When either of these girls told you about their boyfriends did you just blow it off or did you ask them why the hell they were giving you their info?

Is their anything extraordinarily hot or exotic about either of these girls?

Why do you have a bad feeling about the second one?

Aloha!

Post: #3

Yeah.

I wrote a piece on Dating Girls with Boyfriends a while back:

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2007/09/dat...iends.html

I think I will write more on the subject in the future.

- MPM

Post: #4

FYI these were both day game approaches

When the first one told me (on the metro, HB8.5) I pretended to not think twice about it. She seems like a party girl, told me she's dating an asshole rugby player.

The second one (working at movie theater HB7.5) told me as resistance to giving me her # so obviously it was an issue for her. Seems more like a good girl, very sweet.
I have a bad feeling because it was a little rushed, my game was not at 100%, and she may think our next encounter will be as friends.

Post: #5

Same shit happened to me last night. I met the most banging chick ever. We met at this house party - I venue changed her to the back deck and isolated. Convo was going awesome. Then I venue changed her to a bar down the street and on the walk over she said "i have to tell you I have a boyfriend and won't sleep with you. Can you deal with that?" I just kinda played it off....but acted like that wouldn't work. (probably a mistake)

Then we are at the bar and a few friends come over and sit down. We are doing the hand holding bullshit under the table and the lean in stuff. The night ends - i move in for the kiss and she won't do it. I'm like what? she says she has been dating him for five years etc...doesn't want to blow it.

Then I'm like "i have to go this way" and we exchanged numbers. She texts me that night when I get home. "You can call. And I most probably will answer. Pleasure meeting you tonight."

I pulled the beta move and sent her text and told her she was f-ing awesome - best ive met.

She replied back with some joke at the beginning and then "seriously, if you can get past not being able to sleep with me, I'd like to see you again."

What do I do? Keep plowing - or what.

Sucks - chick is SMOKING hot and super cool.

Post: #6

i'd like to justify it as girls not knowing what they want, so it's up to us to show them. so when a girl says she has a bf i'm thinkin bitch, you have no idea what you want, so i'ma open your legs and show you

personally, i love being in the friend zone because it gives you that element of surprise edge if you know how to attack properly

so yea keep on pushing if she's worth it. and if she's that hot, ride that shit out into the dirt til there's nothing left to achieve maximum exposure and experience in woman psychology and all that bullshit.

i think missed opportunities and not taking ridiculous advantage of a situation is the most under-rated aspect of harming your game. casual persistence if you will..

Post: #7

(09-18-2009 11:24 AM)yoyo Wrote:  Same shit happened to me last night. I met the most banging chick ever. We met at this house party - I venue changed her to the back deck and isolated. Convo was going awesome. Then I venue changed her to a bar down the street and on the walk over she said "i have to tell you I have a boyfriend and won't sleep with you. Can you deal with that?" I just kinda played it off....but acted like that wouldn't work. (probably a mistake)

Then we are at the bar and a few friends come over and sit down. We are doing the hand holding bullshit under the table and the lean in stuff. The night ends - i move in for the kiss and she won't do it. I'm like what? she says she has been dating him for five years etc...doesn't want to blow it.

Then I'm like "i have to go this way" and we exchanged numbers. She texts me that night when I get home. "You can call. And I most probably will answer. Pleasure meeting you tonight."

I pulled the beta move and sent her text and told her she was f-ing awesome - best ive met.

She replied back with some joke at the beginning and then "seriously, if you can get past not being able to sleep with me, I'd like to see you again."

What do I do? Keep plowing - or what.

Sucks - chick is SMOKING hot and super cool.

SO an update. I kept plowing and it worked out well but then blew up on me. I sent her a bold text to try to throw her off the game and it worked. I put out the "come spend the night with me." I figured it might work due to its shock value and it did. Chick replies back with some yada yada about how i must have sent that to the wrong girl. I reply back "Shit - you are right. My fault. How are things going?"

So anyways, she comes over saturday night and we drink a bunch of beers at my place. She ends up spending the night and I pretty much get her naked and do the basic fool around. We wake up in the morning and she wants to go get brunch. I took that as a positive. So we get some food - and then hit some tourist sites and chill for the day. I end up dropping her off at 5 pm and things seemed like they went well, but i can sense that she has some guilt creeping in about cheating on her boyfriend.

Not but 3 hrs later i get a text saying she wants to just be friends blah blah blah. I guess i could have sensed it coming, but I was a tad bit surprised because she stayed the whole day and we messed around all afternoon. I figured if she was feeling really guilty, she would have bailed first thing in the morning.

Anyways - call me a beta - but i was really starting to dig the chick. I guess she is a cheating whore, but she was hot and super cool.

We exchanged some funny texts after I replied back with "you are dumping me via text?" and so on. But i think this turkey is cooked. Too bad.

What do you think happened?

Post: #8

"What do you think happened?"

You didn't bang her. That's it.

She's got a boyfriend to take her to brunch and go sightseeing. I thought you understood that?

Aloha!

Post: #9

I got a girls email today...... I saw her as I was leaving the train and went up to her and the convo went

me "hi"
7.75 "hi" with a confused do I know you face
me "I dont know you, but I'd like to."

and we hit it off talking a about a bunch of things. Then when we needed to split ways I ask for her number and she says

"I think my boyfriend would get mad if I gave you my number"
Me "Well just let him get mad"

Then she said she'd give me her email.

What do I do next? I'm having a party at my house on Saturday, should I invite her?

Post: #10

(09-22-2009 05:57 PM)Kona Wrote:  You didn't bang her. That's it.

Bingo, you needed to fuck her, and well. Very simple, if you give her better sex than her boyfriend, who obviously is doing something wrong or she wouldn't have seen you in the first place, then you can take his spot. You had one shot, you blew it. Still I applaude you for even getting her over to your place.

(09-22-2009 06:44 PM)Riker Wrote:  Then she said she'd give me her email.

What do I do next? I'm having a party at my house on Saturday, should I invite her?

Sign her up for a bunch of those porn and spam sites, there's no way in hell she's coming to your party from an email invite. Might as well have some fun for her trying to string you along.

Post: #11

(09-23-2009 05:03 AM)CJ Wrote:  

(09-22-2009 05:57 PM)Kona Wrote:  You didn't bang her. That's it.

Bingo, you needed to fuck her, and well. Very simple, if you give her better sex than her boyfriend, who obviously is doing something wrong or she wouldn't have seen you in the first place, then you can take his spot. You had one shot, you blew it. Still I applaude you for even getting her over to your place.

(09-22-2009 06:44 PM)Riker Wrote:  Then she said she'd give me her email.

What do I do next? I'm having a party at my house on Saturday, should I invite her?

Sign her up for a bunch of those porn and spam sites, there's no way in hell she's coming to your party from an email invite. Might as well have some fun for her trying to string you along.

I think you guys are right about the fact I didn't fuck her, but it was the first night. And I did manage to get her naked. I think its hard to expect to fuck a girl first night all the time, especially when she has been dating this dude 5 years. She is still replying to texts and shit, but the friends blah is still ruining the convo. She called last night but I was out with this other chick so i didn't pick up. I sent her a text in the morning and she replied back "no worries, well catch up another time."

I think you are right. You gotta fuck the girl - make her feel vulnerable - then pull back.

I've learned my lesson

Post: #12

(09-22-2009 05:43 PM)yoyo Wrote:  

(09-18-2009 11:24 AM)yoyo Wrote:  Same shit happened to me last night. I met the most banging chick ever. We met at this house party - I venue changed her to the back deck and isolated. Convo was going awesome. Then I venue changed her to a bar down the street and on the walk over she said "i have to tell you I have a boyfriend and won't sleep with you. Can you deal with that?" I just kinda played it off....but acted like that wouldn't work. (probably a mistake)

Then we are at the bar and a few friends come over and sit down. We are doing the hand holding bullshit under the table and the lean in stuff. The night ends - i move in for the kiss and she won't do it. I'm like what? she says she has been dating him for five years etc...doesn't want to blow it.

Then I'm like "i have to go this way" and we exchanged numbers. She texts me that night when I get home. "You can call. And I most probably will answer. Pleasure meeting you tonight."

I pulled the beta move and sent her text and told her she was f-ing awesome - best ive met.

She replied back with some joke at the beginning and then "seriously, if you can get past not being able to sleep with me, I'd like to see you again."

What do I do? Keep plowing - or what.

Sucks - chick is SMOKING hot and super cool.

SO an update. I kept plowing and it worked out well but then blew up on me. I sent her a bold text to try to throw her off the game and it worked. I put out the "come spend the night with me." I figured it might work due to its shock value and it did. Chick replies back with some yada yada about how i must have sent that to the wrong girl. I reply back "Shit - you are right. My fault. How are things going?"

So anyways, she comes over saturday night and we drink a bunch of beers at my place. She ends up spending the night and I pretty much get her naked and do the basic fool around. We wake up in the morning and she wants to go get brunch. I took that as a positive. So we get some food - and then hit some tourist sites and chill for the day. I end up dropping her off at 5 pm and things seemed like they went well, but i can sense that she has some guilt creeping in about cheating on her boyfriend.

Not but 3 hrs later i get a text saying she wants to just be friends blah blah blah. I guess i could have sensed it coming, but I was a tad bit surprised because she stayed the whole day and we messed around all afternoon. I figured if she was feeling really guilty, she would have bailed first thing in the morning.

Anyways - call me a beta - but i was really starting to dig the chick. I guess she is a cheating whore, but she was hot and super cool.

We exchanged some funny texts after I replied back with "you are dumping me via text?" and so on. But i think this turkey is cooked. Too bad.

What do you think happened?

She just wanted to fuck but not feel like a whore. Thats why she went on the little sightseeing date, so she wouldn't feel like she just showed up for some strange dick.

Hey whatever...you got a hot chick naked and played with her titties. That's a win. Maybe it wont happen again, but that's the way the cookie crumbles sometime.

Post: #13

That's just it, you got her naked, that's a two foot putt man. Unless she's in an awful relationship, the mind of the cheating female is structured that she allows her emotions to let someone (you) fulfill her physical needs. However, by not giving her the mind-blowing sex, her resistance is now up preventing her from getting to that same emotional state. She knows exactly what you're after and she won't be as comfortable around you.

Still, a good experience for you, and I'm sure next girl you try this with you'll F-close, so good job!

Post: #14

(09-23-2009 05:39 PM)CJ Wrote:  That's just it, you got her naked, that's a two foot putt man. Unless she's in an awful relationship, the mind of the cheating female is structured that she allows her emotions to let someone (you) fulfill her physical needs. However, by not giving her the mind-blowing sex, her resistance is now up preventing her from getting to that same emotional state. She knows exactly what you're after and she won't be as comfortable around you.

Still, a good experience for you, and I'm sure next girl you try this with you'll F-close, so good job!

Absolutely. I totally agree with the guys telling you that the problem is that you didn't fuck her.

Anyone ever heard the saying "Blow me or blow me out."? That means that the girl is going to do one of two things: she's going to fuck you, or she's going to tell you to fuck off. I can't force a girl to fuck me (well, I can, but it's not an option due to the fact that it's immoral and illegal, among other reasons), but I CAN force her to choose between one of those two options, as those are the only two acceptable options as far as I'm concerned--any kind of in-between compromise option like "let's just be friends" is NOT an "acceptable" option, in my opinion. I CAN force her hand, that's what I CAN do. You should be aggressive enough that she either gives in and fucks you or she is forced to say "Look, it's not going to happen, ok?!?!! Just FUCK OFF! Leave me alone, it's done!" or something along those lines--basically, whatever would be THAT GIRL'S equivalent to "fuck off" (I did this with this VERY goody-two-shoes Christian chick once and got her to the point where she said something like "It's NEVER going to happen. Not ever."--that was her equivalent of "fuck off", seeing as how she's probably never used the word "fuck" in her entire life, so what I'm saying is calibrate). If she says "Let's just be friends", then you say "No, I can't think of you like that--every time I think of you I imagine you naked and bent over my desk. What do you think about that?" Don't let her force her frame on you--she either accepts your frame and let's you put your wiener in her or she blows you out and that's it, the end.

In short: if she won't fuck you, then she's going to HAVE to blow you out, hard. Both of those are acceptable results, because they both mean that you pushed HARD, stayed dominant and aggressive, and didn't give in, give up, or go beta. It means you acted like a man, you did the right thing. Blow me or blow me out--I can't choose one of those for her, but what I can do is make HER choose between them.

Post: #15

I actually fucked her a few weeks ago and have been fucking her for a little while now. She is still dating the guy - he actually came into town last weekend. She hasn't dumped him though. Odd. The whole thing just feels odd. But the sex is awesome - so what the hell - i'll just keep hitting it for a while.

I got one in the pocket- time to keep searching for me.

Post: #16

hmm, was leaving a bar this past weekend, but this girl basically fell over walking and looking at me. i motioned for her to come over and she did and we talked for 15 min. good convo, and i had to leave to meet my friends at another bar, and gave her my phone to put her # in and she got all nervous saying she cant she has a bf, and i tried the 'i don't care' line and she just replied with 'i really cant' all nervous like.... i believe i should of went with something like 'look you'd obviously have more hanging with me so just put your number in...'

anyone else? i have a feeling i might see her again at some point in the area

Post: #17

(09-22-2009 05:57 PM)Kona Wrote:  "What do you think happened?"

You didn't bang her. That's it.

She's got a boyfriend to take her to brunch and go sightseeing. I thought you understood that?

Aloha!

These are words of wisdom from Kona. Always fuck the girl if you get the chance. I mean...you had the chick naked. You got past the hardest part. It's like decorating the christmas tree and not plugging the lights in. Once that happens, it's pretty much over. I've been there, so I feel for you, guy.

Post: #18

Think about it this way;

How many girls are outright bangable or dateable? Maybe, MAYBE 25%. Bear in mind I'm talking about your 7s, 8s and 9s here. That 6 you'd bang in a two-month dry spell is not considered bangable in this instance. Notice I said 25% are bangable; not 50% are bangable depending on the situation.

Fatty boombahs, ugly girls, girls with deep issues, brainless girls, socially-retarded girls and girls that there just plain isn't anything special about...they constitute the vast majority of girls in my age bracket (18-24). Just one quarter of girls at the height of their sexual power are attractive.

And how many of this one-quarter have boyfriends? Probably about 90%. I'd once heard that an attractive girl without a boyfriend is like a fifty lying on the ground; it won't get passed by for long before someone picks it up.

So assuming my numbers are correct, if you only go after dateable/bangable girls that don't have boyfriends, some simple math reveals that you're going after just 2.5% of the girls in that 18-24 range. Those are very unfavorable odds and you need to up them significantly to succeed in the field.

The best thing about this though is that a girl with a boyfriend is easily bangable if you play it right. Girls are people just like we are; they're always on the lookout for something better.

I'd say that 90% of girls are only with their boyfriends until something better comes along. The remaining 10% are with their boyfriend because they love him. Learn to spot this (a lot of the time that 10% is in a new relationship, 'honeymoon phase' and all that, you won't get far) and exploit it.

Post: #19

This always happens to me. Ill start talking to a girl and within minutes, she tells me she has a boyfriend. I have no idea how to get the number when she says that or anything like that if she's not a hoe who wants to cheat.

Happened earlier today. I was at a store and started talking to a decent looking girl. She hit me with the boyfriend line and I told her "we just met. Why are u telling me about your problems". That's a good line, idk who posted it on here. When I told her to give me her number she said sorry but she can't.

Post: #20

I pulled a girl's number last night who said she had a boyfriend. Basically told her I was going to call her anyway and that he was probably boring. YUP.

Post: #21

Gmac is that what u usually say? My problem is not being sure what to say when she brings up the boyfriend and changing the subject.

Post: #22

(05-02-2011 12:02 AM)houston Wrote:  Gmac is that what u usually say? My problem is not being sure what to say when she brings up the boyfriend and changing the subject.

It depends on the context. If it's early in the interaction I like cocky/funny lines like "jeez, I've only known you like 5 minutes and you're already telling me about your problems" but understand that it's unlikely to work since she wouldn't talk about the boyfriend so early if she was open to cheating. The later she brings it up, the better chance you have and the more I think you can get away with dealing with it more directly ("I don't care," "doesn't matter," ignore and plow, etc.) Gmac's answer is projecting that same "I don't give a shit" vibe that's crucial to convincing a girl who's open to cheating that you're the alpha cock she's looking for.

Post: #23

(05-02-2011 10:23 AM)gringochileno Wrote:  

(05-02-2011 12:02 AM)houston Wrote:  Gmac is that what u usually say? My problem is not being sure what to say when she brings up the boyfriend and changing the subject.

It depends on the context. If it's early in the interaction I like cocky/funny lines like "jeez, I've only known you like 5 minutes and you're already telling me about your problems" but understand that it's unlikely to work since she wouldn't talk about the boyfriend so early if she was open to cheating. The later she brings it up, the better chance you have and the more I think you can get away with dealing with it more directly ("I don't care," "doesn't matter," ignore and plow, etc.) Gmac's answer is projecting that same "I don't give a shit" vibe that's crucial to convincing a girl who's open to cheating that you're the alpha cock she's looking for.

Bingo.

If you're afraid of a girl with a boyfriend you've already lost. Plow away either by ignoring that she said it or bold enough to pique her interest.

Post: #24

I went to Wendys a lil while ago and was talking to a 7 at the drive thru for about 5 min. I asked who's Buick was in the parking lot and she said hers and her boyfriends. I pulled the Gmac move and didn't acknowledge her and kept talking. Ended up getting her cell but she said we can only talk as friends haha. I just wanted to practice my game but I seen her big ass and went in for the kill.

Post: #25

Hey guys, I always encounter chicks who give the boyfriend excuse when it's time to number-close them or bring up the bf mid-conversation. I've gotten so much of this that I've come to believe that they're lying to me.

I usually nonchalantly answer, "that's cool" or "that's nice" then continue/change subject and plow on. However, I still encounter a lot of resistance when trying to get them to meet up later on. I've tried the "you're telling me your problems" line but it only confused them (what problem?) so I stopped using it. I've tried saying (all while being playful):
-that's ok, we can still hang out
-he doesn't need to know
-I know you're lying to me, I can see it in your eyes
-I don't care, let's go

When they still bring up their bf, then I just walk away.

Ideas?