Post: #1

I have been meaning to post a thread like this:

Quote:Here’s a fun question to ask yourself: if you had to disappear and live out the rest of your days below the radar, where would you go?

Think about it seriously for a moment… it’s an interesting thought experiment. Assuming you had a dream team of angry creditors, bounty hunters, private investigators, and/or government agents chasing after you, where would you go?

There are several countries where disappearing is a relatively easy thing to do. We’ve talked about a few of them in the past– places like Morocco, Brazil, Lebanon, and the Philippines.

Venezuela is also one to consider.

http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/if-you...ld-you-go/

So where would you guys go?

Post: #2

(03-06-2012 02:33 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  I have been meaning to post a thread like this:

Quote:Here’s a fun question to ask yourself: if you had to disappear and live out the rest of your days below the radar, where would you go?

Think about it seriously for a moment… it’s an interesting thought experiment. Assuming you had a dream team of angry creditors, bounty hunters, private investigators, and/or government agents chasing after you, where would you go?

There are several countries where disappearing is a relatively easy thing to do. We’ve talked about a few of them in the past– places like Morocco, Brazil, Lebanon, and the Philippines.

Venezuela is also one to consider.

http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/if-you...ld-you-go/

So where would you guys go?

I got that e-mail the other day. He conveniently failed to mention extradition law with the US in pretty much all of those countries.

Check out this map.

I could remain incognito in a lot of places but if the law was coming after me real hard and I wanted to avoid extradition, the question becomes, where could you go?

From the looks of that map, doesn't seem like there's many good choices out there.

Post: #3

I would stay right here in Brazil , in a small beach town up there in the northeast..living the simple life.

Or anywhere in Poland if I could take the cold winters.

Post: #4

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I got that e-mail the other day. He conveniently failed to mention extradition law with the US in pretty much all of those countries.

Check out this map.

I could remain incognito in a lot of places but if the law was coming after me real hard and I wanted to avoid extradition, the question becomes, where could you go?

From the looks of that map, doesn't seem like there's many good choices out there.

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On funny thing I have noticed is there is no real clear-cut Data Sheet on the Internet on this.

Anyone have one?

Post: #5

(03-06-2012 02:38 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  I would stay right here in Brazil , in a small beach town up there in the northeast..living the simple life.

Or anywhere in Poland if I could take the cold winters.

Man I hung out at a friend's beach home in Arembepe north of Salvador. That place was heaven. I could easily lay low out there.

We hung out there with some friends for a week after the Carnaval in Salvador. It was so peaceful. Nice small town. Good looking girls. Good feijao. Beautiful beaches.

We got in a wrangler truck and drove out to some hippie village nearby where Mick Jagger, Roman Polanski and Janis Joplin used to live. The people who lived there were mostly from Europe and lived on some kind of barter system. They would make goods and sell them on weekends. They just lived like that everyday. No possessions whatsoever.

Post: #6

There are several countries where disappearing is a relatively easy thing to do.

More proof that Sovereign Man is full of shit. If you want to be found, I'll find you.

But the premise is interesting. I'd disappear within the United States.

Work doing manual labor in the Dakotas.

Lots of people are still paid cash under the table.

Live in a small trailer on some acreage.

Lots of criminals are never found - or only found decades later - using this strategy.

Post: #7

Extradition issues aside, I'd think you could disappear in northern Thailand (Chiang Mai is the city I'm alluding to). Live cheaply, bang cute girls (hotter up north than in the south where BKK is), and there are enough foreigners there that you won't stick out like a sore thumb.

Post: #8

True story. This guy that used to work for me got caught with underage porn on his computer a year and a half ago by the Feds. They took his passport and computers.

I told him to get the fuck out of here and he thought about it and hired a lawyer. Not a word for one year and then they came down on his house like the swat team and arrested him. He spent 70k on legal and got 12 years in Federal prison. He's gone as of last month.

I told him just to have someone sail him to Cuba and lay low. Taiwan also doesn't really have strong extradition laws and he used to live there and loved it. Stupid!

Moral here. Get that second passport while you can. I'm just fine living on a sailboat off the Cuban coast or on a Greek island.

I can go into way more detail about this but don't want to post due to legal reasons

Post: #9

(03-06-2012 03:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  True story. This guy that used to work for me got caught with underage porn on his computer a year and a half ago by the Feds. They took his passport and computers.

How young are we talking? If we are talking kiddie porn then glad they caught the dirty prick. People who download pictures of children being raped and shit deserve to have their heads caved in imho. I know he was a colleague or mate of yours but I hope the fucker suffers in prison.

Post: #10

(03-06-2012 03:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I can go into way more detail about this but don't want to post due to legal reasons

Would you post that in a "private" forum?

Post: #11

(03-06-2012 03:29 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 03:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  True story. This guy that used to work for me got caught with underage porn on his computer a year and a half ago by the Feds. They took his passport and computers.

How young are we talking? If we are talking kiddie porn then glad they caught the dirty prick. People who download pictures of children being raped and shit deserve to have their heads caved in imho. I know he was a colleague or mate of yours but I hope the fucker suffers in prison.

We debated this for a year. What did he deserve. I guess he developed some sort of schoolgirl fetish in Asia.

The thing is he was back in college and after his wife left him he started this. It was documented that he had an appointment via the counselor at the school to see a doctor for the problem.

12 years though for images in a hardrive is a bit much.

Post: #12

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Post: #13

(03-06-2012 03:35 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  .
We debated this for a year. What did he deserve. I guess he developed some sort of schoolgirl fetish in Asia.

The thing is he was back in college and after his wife left him he started this. It was documented that he had an appointment via the counselor at the school to see a doctor for the problem.

12 years though for images in a hardrive is a bit much.

Yeah in the UK he would no doubt have got community service. Your judges in the US certainly don't mess about when passing sentence! I don't really see a correlation with his under age porn and his wife leaving him though,seems like an excuse. Still,I'm no counsellor.

Post: #14

(03-06-2012 03:33 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 03:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I can go into way more detail about this but don't want to post due to legal reasons

Would you post that in a "private" forum?

If you really want the info I will get it to you.

I'm not paranoid. I know how they retrieve the info they need. This is the first place they look. In my case this forum would be because I spend the most of my time online here.

Post: #15

Thailand, Laos, Vietnam.

This is all assuming that you have a nest egg. You can really stretch it in these places.

Post: #16

As regards to the original question: Maybe one of the unrecognised countries would be a good choice? Transdniester,Abkhazia,South Ossetia or Nagorno Karabagh. Marry a local girl,get a local passport and then know there was little your country could do to get you back. Failing that Russia/Belarus. Have strong contacts in both.

Post: #17

(03-06-2012 02:42 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 02:38 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  I would stay right here in Brazil , in a small beach town up there in the northeast..living the simple life.

Or anywhere in Poland if I could take the cold winters.

Man I hung out at a friend's beach home in Arembepe north of Salvador. That place was heaven. I could easily lay low out there.

We hung out there with some friends for a week after the Carnaval in Salvador. It was so peaceful. Nice small town. Good looking girls. Good feijao. Beautiful beaches.

We got in a wrangler truck and drove out to some hippie village nearby where Mick Jagger, Roman Polanski and Janis Joplin used to live. The people who lived there were mostly from Europe and lived on some kind of barter system. They would make goods and sell them on weekends. They just lived like that everyday. No possessions whatsoever.

Is that where Polanski fucked the 13yr old?!

Post: #18

(03-06-2012 03:45 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  In the states? - Brooklyn, Bronx, and just melt deeply into the West Indian community.

Problems
- a way to make a living
- homesickness - wanting to contact friends and family.

Man you'd definitely get caught in NYC. No question. Do you know how many cameras there are in NYC? They also have a beast network of officers (formal, plainclothes, detectives, undercover, and guys who work privately).

Post: #19

(03-06-2012 03:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  True story. This guy that used to work for me got caught with underage porn on his computer a year and a half ago by the Feds. They took his passport and computers.

I told him to get the fuck out of here and he thought about it and hired a lawyer. Not a word for one year and then they came down on his house like the swat team and arrested him. He spent 70k on legal and got 12 years in Federal prison. He's gone as of last month.

I told him just to have someone sail him to Cuba and lay low. Taiwan also doesn't really have strong extradition laws and he used to live there and loved it. Stupid!

Moral here. Get that second passport while you can. I'm just fine living on a sailboat off the Cuban coast or on a Greek island.

I can go into way more detail about this but don't want to post due to legal reasons

I have always thought if I had to do more than a few years in the pen I would just cut out. I have two family members doing life on three strikes, and a lot of my family has been to prison (not just jail), and I would just say fuck that. I would rather bounce out and live my life somewhere else. My family and friends would come to visit me occasionally anyways.

I think you would have to find somewhere that you could get some very legit looking paperwork and fly under the radar. So many countries have extradition treaties with the US, and I would assume in the next 20-30 years whichever country you picked to live in may very well have one as well. I would try to get some fake paperwork, or real paperwork from a dead guy or somethin, and pick a place somewhere in Central/South America or the Caribbean.

Post: #20

(03-06-2012 04:02 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 02:42 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 02:38 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  I would stay right here in Brazil , in a small beach town up there in the northeast..living the simple life.

Or anywhere in Poland if I could take the cold winters.

Man I hung out at a friend's beach home in Arembepe north of Salvador. That place was heaven. I could easily lay low out there.

We hung out there with some friends for a week after the Carnaval in Salvador. It was so peaceful. Nice small town. Good looking girls. Good feijao. Beautiful beaches.

We got in a wrangler truck and drove out to some hippie village nearby where Mick Jagger, Roman Polanski and Janis Joplin used to live. The people who lived there were mostly from Europe and lived on some kind of barter system. They would make goods and sell them on weekends. They just lived like that everyday. No possessions whatsoever.

Is that where Polanski fucked the 13yr old?!

Haha nope. That was in California.

Post: #21

Well, if you're gonna skate, step 1: Remember your hard drive.

Your hard drive will have every internet search you've done.

Also, Google keeps track of every search you've done.

So if I wanted to find you....Get your ISP#. Then subpoena Google. Get record of all your searches.

Probably firefox and chrome secretly track your internet moves. So pull those, too.

Also, how you gonna survive in Thailand? You going to bring $100,000 cash?

Because if you wire money, you're found.

Sovereign Man is selling a fantasy.

Guys who want to escape already have their escape set up. They have millions stashed in different countries, different passports, and access to private jets and boats to skate.

Finding people is really easy. It's only a matter of time....

Post: #22

(03-06-2012 04:08 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  I would rather bounce out and live my life somewhere else. My family and friends would come to visit me occasionally anyways.

I think if you leave and don't want to get caught you have to forget your friends and family. I'm sure 99% of people who make a run for it are caught eventually through their contact with their friends and family. Just go and accept that you will probably never see anyone from your old life again.

Post: #23

(03-06-2012 04:19 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 04:08 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  I would rather bounce out and live my life somewhere else. My family and friends would come to visit me occasionally anyways.

I think if you leave and don't want to get caught you have to forget your friends and family. I'm sure 99% of people who make a run for it are caught through their friends and family. Just go and accept that you will probably never see your friends or family again.

I think it depends on what type of crime we are talkin here. Murder, yeah you might have to. A drug charge and living in a South American country with a passport? I'm pretty sure you would be fine. No agency is going to monitor your friends and family forever because you got popped growing some weed.

Post: #24

(03-06-2012 04:09 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 04:02 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 02:42 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 02:38 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  I would stay right here in Brazil , in a small beach town up there in the northeast..living the simple life.

Or anywhere in Poland if I could take the cold winters.

Man I hung out at a friend's beach home in Arembepe north of Salvador. That place was heaven. I could easily lay low out there.

We hung out there with some friends for a week after the Carnaval in Salvador. It was so peaceful. Nice small town. Good looking girls. Good feijao. Beautiful beaches.

We got in a wrangler truck and drove out to some hippie village nearby where Mick Jagger, Roman Polanski and Janis Joplin used to live. The people who lived there were mostly from Europe and lived on some kind of barter system. They would make goods and sell them on weekends. They just lived like that everyday. No possessions whatsoever.

Is that where Polanski fucked the 13yr old?!

Haha nope. That was in California.

If he had did it in Bahia he probably would never been prosecuted.

Post: #25

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