Post: #1

Quote:Article 475 of the Moroccan penal code allows for the "kidnapper" of a minor to marry his victim to escape prosecution, and it has been used to justify a traditional practice of making a rapist marry his victim to preserve the honor of the woman's family.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14...lp00000009

Post: #2

They ought to lock up these omega rapist fuckers and throw away the key.

Post: #3

And people complain about a few guys on the Internet shooting the shit about fat girls and exchanging ideas about how they might be able to get laid. Every time another one of these idiots calls one of Roosh's books a "rape guide" or tries to hurt our feelings by referring to us as "losers," we need to point them to this, and similar, stories.

Post: #4

A Facebook page called "We are all Amina Filali" has been formed and an online petition calling for Morocco to end the practice of marrying rapists and their victims has already gathered more than 1,000 signatures.

Post: #5

(03-15-2012 02:08 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  And people complain about a few guys on the Internet shooting the shit about fat girls and exchanging ideas about how they might be able to get laid. Every time another one of these idiots calls one of Roosh's books a "rape guide" or tries to hurt our feelings by referring to us as "losers," we need to point them to this, and similar, stories.

What if the raped bride turns around and divorces the rapist groom?

Then the rapist has to give her half his stuff and pay alimony. Then that rapist groom goes on the manosphere blogs and bitches about the feminist controlled court system and "divorce rape."

That's food for thought.

Aloha!

Post: #6

Wouldn't be surprised if Morocco doesn't even have divorce.

Post: #7

(03-15-2012 02:18 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Wouldn't be surprised if Morocco doesn't even have divorce.

Every country except the Philippines and Vatican City have legalized divorce. However, there are many countries where being divorced carries a social stigma.

Post: #8

(03-15-2012 01:15 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote:Article 475 of the Moroccan penal code allows for the "kidnapper" of a minor to marry his victim to escape prosecution, and it has been used to justify a traditional practice of making a rapist marry his victim to preserve the honor of the woman's family.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14...lp00000009

I wouldn't be so quick to criticize the law. Moroccan society is worlds away from our own.

Consider what the link says:

Quote: the family of the victim sometimes agrees out of fear that she won't be able to find a husband if it is known she was raped.

The marriage is then pushed on the victim by the families to avoid scandal, said Fouzia Assouli, president of Democratic League for Women's Rights...

In many societies, the loss of a woman's virginity outside of wedlock is a huge stain of honor on the family.

In many parts of the Middle East, there is a tradition whereby a rapist can escape prosecution if he marries his victim, thereby restoring her honor. There is a similar injunction in the Old Testament's Book of Deuteronomy

Rules like these are thousands of years old. They formed and remained in currency because they served a purpose, because the respective societies found them useful. Maybe it's appropriate to discard them now, but as someone who knows nothing of how Morocco operates, our commentary is worthless.

For instance, as that quote mentions, in societies with such a rule, a woman is unsuitable for marriage if she is not a virgin. It's absolutely ridiculous to subject such a society to the same set of rules as one where women rack up several sexual partners before tying the knot. There is almost zero overlap between us and them. You can't even begin to imagine what your life would look like if that were the case. When you realize that a woman once penetrated outside the bounds of marriage is sexually worthless, some of that 'oppression of women' stuff, i.e. the containment of female sexuality, starts to make sense.

Post: #9

(03-15-2012 01:15 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  Article 475 of the Moroccan penal code allows for the "kidnapper" of a minor to marry his victim to escape prosecution, and it has been used to justify a traditional practice of making a rapist marry his victim to preserve the honor of the woman's family.

Every atheist knows this law is straight from the bible:

Deuteronomy 22:29: Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Makes me wonder why this isn't the law in Texas.

Post: #10

(03-15-2012 06:11 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 01:15 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  Article 475 of the Moroccan penal code allows for the "kidnapper" of a minor to marry his victim to escape prosecution, and it has been used to justify a traditional practice of making a rapist marry his victim to preserve the honor of the woman's family.

Every atheist knows this law is straight from the bible:

Deuteronomy 22:29: Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Makes me wonder why this isn't the law in Texas.

You always have something smart to say about Texas. When were you here? How long and what part? Yes, I'm pulling a gmanifesto and calling you out on here.

Post: #11

You can get a marriage annulment in the Philippines

Post: #12

(03-15-2012 06:25 PM)houston Wrote:  You always have something smart to say about Texas. When were you here? How long and what part?

if I ever somehow end up being there, I'd kill myself!
Yeah I understand not everyone there is a kind of idiot like GWB or Rick Perry. But the fact that the majority of you guys elect such utter idiots as governors is convincing enough to me to never visit that place. And the weather sucks too.

Post: #13

(03-16-2012 03:21 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 06:25 PM)houston Wrote:  You always have something smart to say about Texas. When were you here? How long and what part?

if I ever somehow end up being there, I'd kill myself!
Yeah I understand not everyone there is a kind of idiot like GWB or Rick Perry. But the fact that the majority of you guys elect such utter idiots as governors is convincing enough to me to never visit that place. And the weather sucks too.

You didn't answer any of my questions which leads to me believe that you've never even been here. You're filling Dash Global's spot now for spitting out bullshit. Weren't you the same guy that said he questions a black doctor's qualifications because of his color? You need to take a long hard look in the mirror before you judge 25 million people. That's another line I'm borrowing from gmanifesto

Post: #14

(03-15-2012 03:04 PM)basilransom Wrote:  [quote='Hencredible Casanova' pid='179076' dateline='1331792134']


I wouldn't be so quick to criticize the law. Moroccan society is worlds away from our own.

Consider what the link says:

Quote: the family of the victim sometimes agrees out of fear that she won't be able to find a husband if it is known she was raped.

The marriage is then pushed on the victim by the families to avoid scandal, said Fouzia Assouli, president of Democratic League for Women's Rights...

In many societies, the loss of a woman's virginity outside of wedlock is a huge stain of honor on the family.

In many parts of the Middle East, there is a tradition whereby a rapist can escape prosecution if he marries his victim, thereby restoring her honor. There is a similar injunction in the Old Testament's Book of Deuteronomy

Rules like these are thousands of years old. They formed and remained in currency because they served a purpose, because the respective societies found them useful. Maybe it's appropriate to discard them now, but as someone who knows nothing of how Morocco operates, our commentary is worthless.

For instance, as that quote mentions, in societies with such a rule, a woman is unsuitable for marriage if she is not a virgin. It's absolutely ridiculous to subject such a society to the same set of rules as one where women rack up several sexual partners before tying the knot. There is almost zero overlap between us and them. You can't even begin to imagine what your life would look like if that were the case. When you realize that a woman once penetrated outside the bounds of marriage is sexually worthless, some of that 'oppression of women' stuff, i.e. the containment of female sexuality, starts to make sense.

Well then we have an even bigger problem if the society we're dealing with is using a moral system from the 7th century. Human civilization, generally, has been making progress in the moral sphere and it's not too unreasonable to say that we think that people should have basic rights, regardless of what cultural context they come from.

Cultural relativism will be the death of the West. If there's no right and wrong, then anything can be justified.

Post: #15

(03-15-2012 02:23 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 02:18 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Wouldn't be surprised if Morocco doesn't even have divorce.

Every country except the Philippines and Vatican City have legalized divorce. However, there are many countries where being divorced carries a social stigma.

Also, there still are many backward countries where having been raped carries a just as harsh social stigma.

In a place where there would seldom be any punishment for the rapist, and the raped woman bears the weight of the shame, this would at least give the poor victim the chance to have some 'normalcy' in her life, a legal status that she didnt had before, as an unmarried woman, and forces the victimizer to at least provide for her. (although the quality of his 'providing' in a third world shithole could be questionable)

Post: #16

This is the other extreme of rape.


In America, we have an epidemic of false-rape charges. Women here have all the power, and are free to abuse men with mild consequences.

In Morocco, rape isn't considered a true crime. Men there have all the power, and free to abuse women with mild consequences.


A good country is not biased towards either sex, and avoids tyranny of either gender.

Post: #17

(03-17-2012 05:45 AM)houston Wrote:  You didn't answer any of my questions which leads to me believe that you've never even been here.

I thought that by saying "if I ever somehow end up being there, I'd kill myself" I made it clear that I never been there and will do my best to never be there. I apologize if this wasn't clear enough.

So now once you're satisfied hopefully you'll be able to get to the point of what I said.

Aren't you guys keep electing extremely religious governors who heavily push religious agenda?

Wasn't it your moronic governor who claimed that "America's issues are not primarily financial, political or moral. Neither does America's hope lie in one leader or institution. Our hope is found in the One who desires for us to turn to Him with all our hearts. This is our response — to call on Jesus on behalf of America"? Hell yeah, why do we even need the elected legislature?

Isn't Rick Perry one of those idiots who want to criminalize gay sex and abortion? Isn't it because as he says the bible condemns it, and therefore it should be the law?

But the situation in Morocci is clearly based on the bible! So why Rick Perry doesn't push for the law like that?

Post: #18

I don't vote. Dude, 25 million people don't all think the same. I'm pretty sure not everyone in California is some left wing liberal.

Post: #19

(03-17-2012 05:39 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 05:45 AM)houston Wrote:  You didn't answer any of my questions which leads to me believe that you've never even been here.

I thought that by saying "if I ever somehow end up being there, I'd kill myself" I made it clear that I never been there and will do my best to never be there. I apologize if this wasn't clear enough.

So now once you're satisfied hopefully you'll be able to get to the point of what I said.

Aren't you guys keep electing extremely religious governors who heavily push religious agenda?

Wasn't it your moronic governor who claimed that "America's issues are not primarily financial, political or moral. Neither does America's hope lie in one leader or institution. Our hope is found in the One who desires for us to turn to Him with all our hearts. This is our response — to call on Jesus on behalf of America"? Hell yeah, why do we even need the elected legislature?

Isn't Rick Perry one of those idiots who want to criminalize gay sex and abortion? Isn't it because as he says the bible condemns it, and therefore it should be the law?

But the situation in Morocci is clearly based on the bible! So why Rick Perry doesn't push for the law like that?

Texas isn't even the most conservative state. Texas is almost twice as liberal as Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana (based on the Non-Hispanic White vote for Obama), more liberal than Georgia and about the same as South Carolina.

Post: #20

To bring this thread back on topic, I read this article in the U.K. Telegraph earlier - Moroccan teenager commits suicide after being forced to marry rapist.

Quote:Amina Filali, 16, drank rat poison last week in order to kill herself because she had been made to marry the man who raped her when she was 15 years old.

...

Miss Filali's father, Lahcen Filali, told an online Moroccan newspaper that his daughter only told her parents of the rape two months after it had occurred. When they reported it, the prosecutor advised his daughter to marry.

Post: #21

(03-17-2012 06:42 AM)ao85 Wrote:  Well then we have an even bigger problem if the society we're dealing with is using a moral system from the 7th century. Human civilization, generally, has been making progress in the moral sphere and it's not too unreasonable to say that we think that people should have basic rights, regardless of what cultural context they come from.

Cultural relativism will be the death of the West. If there's no right and wrong, then anything can be justified.

While I see your point, the problem here is that cultural relativism is unavoidable.

The fact is that what is "right and wrong" or "backward", in the context of this and some other posts in this thread, is often determined from a western perspective. We are taking western standards of morality and applying them to very foreign contexts.
We cannot underestimate the significance of this when its comes to how others will perceive western critiques of their culture. Like our own, their rules took thousands of years to form, and have persisted for that long as well. They believe wholeheartedly in these rules, and cling as strongly to them as Americans do to the idea of democracy and limited government (more so, even, since these foreign rules are often much older than the United States itself).

They're about as likely to adopt western morality as Americans are to adopt Sharia law at the federal level. This has to be made clear-not everyone agrees with the west, and many (perhaps even most) of those who currently do not simply never will.
Getting online and creating petitions will not change this.

Post: #22

(03-17-2012 05:46 PM)P Dog Wrote:  Texas isn't even the most conservative state. Texas is almost twice as liberal as Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana (based on the Non-Hispanic White vote for Obama), more liberal than Georgia and about the same as South Carolina.

Being conservative has nothing to do with it. It is about making your religious views the law for everyone. Which is what the moron GWB (former Texas governor) did, and which is the moron Rick Perry (current Texas governor) is pushing.

Post: #23

Don't come down here oldnemesis. I've seen people get shot for not being Christian! Its like the wild west.

Post: #24

This wouldn't surprise me. After all, Texas governor calls for prayer to halt wildfires. I've read the shamans in those Middle Age uneducated tribes were doing just that hundreds years ago.