Post: #201

(10-03-2012 09:26 AM)slubu Wrote:  By the way, does anybody know what night is ladies night at Shooters? I've heard Sunday, Wednesday and Thursday. Maybe someone can translate this calendar for me?

http://shooters.kiev.ua/index.php?option...65&lang=ru

From your link its every Wednesday in Oct.

Post: #202

Quote: went to the club with another girl from the online site and when I met this 8 I just left the online girl (a 7) alone and she went home.

In my experience, not in Ukraine but anywhere, attempting to 'upgrade' your women never works. Nearly always ends in disaster.

Post: #203

I'm seriously considering scrapping the last 2.5 weeks I have in Europe and staying in Kiev full time. Other option would be Sweden/Norway. But I don't see how the quality can even remotely compare to here.

Again tonight...pretty fucking hot girl, a poor man's kate upton sans tits (blonde hair, black eyebrows same face) went on a date. Hardcore makeout but stopped at ass play like the others. First date though. 5'9 120 lbs.

Can't believe I have to go back to the US.

Post: #204

Keep the updates rolling in Slubu. Your experiences sound similar to mine so far although more successful. How long have you been there so far? Are you mainly going to clubs?

Post: #205

(10-03-2012 04:35 PM)slubu Wrote:  I'm seriously considering scrapping the last 2.5 weeks I have in Europe and staying in Kiev full time. Other option would be Sweden/Norway. But I don't see how the quality can even remotely compare to here.

Again tonight...pretty fucking hot girl, a poor man's kate upton sans tits (blonde hair, black eyebrows same face) went on a date. Hardcore makeout but stopped at ass play like the others. First date though. 5'9 120 lbs.

Can't believe I have to go back to the US.

I believe you guys when you talk about the quality because I have been there, though long ago. I just dont know how you can do it holding out so long, when you know an oligarch or some local player would tap it so much easier. I plow my 7s and I forget them. But 9s that make me wait I dont forget.....I take it personally.

Post: #206

(10-03-2012 10:01 AM)alphascout Wrote:  ^ trick with Ukrainian girls to have a good conversation is to talk about stuff like russian books (tolstoy, dostoyevsky, ESPECIALLY BULGAKOV, etc) and culture. talk about the themes and characters in these books especially, how much you love bulgakov, etc... Ukrainian and Russian girls I find Live in Books. Bulgakov is probably #1. Also talk about how beautiful and melodic ukrainian language is (this is actually true though, for me anyway).

anotehr thing to talk about is difference between ukrainians and other peoples.

you see those statues all over Ukraine that you see lines of people pose with? those are characters from literature!

this concept does not exist in the US, but literature is really popular in the FSU.

Overall, I'd say I love the place. I've read Dr. Zhivago and Nabokov's Lolita. That hardly makes me an expert on their culture but rather a beginner. Which other books should I next read? Yes, Ukrainians like books. One girl told me they are unhappy because they can afford to buy more books. So different from girls I've met in other countries!

Post: #207

I want to express my admiration for EE chix. IT's like there's a karmic balance, and all the negative feedback from the petty, sadistic, paranoid, narcissism from MurkaChix travels through the earth and manifests in counterbalancing tolerant, nurturing, goodwilled, willingness to bond Over There.

They were so nice to me, I even felt more sympathetic to the venomous feminist chicks that chased me away from the US in the first place.

I swear, getting turned down by an EE chick is less humiliating than a grudging, paranoid kiss from a MurkaBeest . I'm sorry I promised to stop using Murka but I'm having too much fun.

Here's my scale:
=================MurkaChix============
(1-5 not important)--6--7--8--9---------------------10

=================Uke CHix=============
(1-4 not important) -----5--6--7---8------9-------------10
======================================

There are Murka-10's, but they are in some elite university in essentially a different dimension from my over-40 self, and I have as much chance of getting them as I do
of a meteor full of gold landing near me and enriching me for life.

I have a real chance at a Uke 8, and there are 7's I would probably be quite happy with.

All hail SlavChix!!! I don't have one-itis, I have like 200-million-itis!

Post: #208

(10-03-2012 10:01 AM)alphascout Wrote:  ^ trick with Ukrainian girls to have a good conversation is to talk about stuff like russian books (tolstoy, dostoyevsky, ESPECIALLY BULGAKOV, etc) and culture. talk about the themes and characters in these books especially, how much you love bulgakov, etc... Ukrainian and Russian girls I find Live in Books. Bulgakov is probably #1. Also talk about how beautiful and melodic ukrainian language is (this is actually true though, for me anyway).

anotehr thing to talk about is difference between ukrainians and other peoples.

you see those statues all over Ukraine that you see lines of people pose with? those are characters from literature!

this concept does not exist in the US, but literature is really popular in the FSU.

+1 --- NEWS FLASH-- SlavChix [did] READ BOOKS[ if they aren't club chix]

I had one Russian medical student scold me because I had not read Dreiser ( an American author.)

They may not be as logical as a man, but they respect masculine logic and actually think at least several times a week.

Compare to bizarre distaste for non-Facewhore reading in the MurkaBeest.

You should definitely read "Notes From The Underground" by Dostoyevsky, it's sort of the prototypical paranoid conspiracy theorist story, and my guess is that later use of the term "underground" in reference to art and politics comes from this story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notes_from_Underground

+1 for pointing out SlavChix respect for literature.

Post: #209

All the Russian/Ukrainian women I have ever known are very much into books and are really good conversationalists.

I have to say, this vapid, money hungry, manipulative creature is not the one I tend to meet or interact with or want to interact with.

but look, it could be laws of attraction in place here... if you've been heaving away in the murky depths of murka world, and you overlay a transplant of that culture in the FSU, then that is what you are likely going to get.

So a Ukrainian guy I know says those "Dostoyevsky girls" should all be killed!

I said, this girl I was fond of liked Turgenev, and I asked him what to make of that, and he said, I should marry her!

Post: #210

Yes,slavic soul,thinking in depth.Americans are very superficial and straight.However if these girls had the financial status of American girls they would hardly give you a second look.I mean education is waste of resources from capitalist point of view.

Post: #211

Well done Slubu - break down for us nightgame/daygame etc?

The quality of slavic girls in Kiev is undeniable - not sure they are so much better than Balkans and Baltics though.

Post: #212

>However if these girls had the financial status of American girls they would hardly give you a second look

disagree. I don't think they are always so shallow, besides, most of my experience with Russian/Ukrainian women is with the one's in the west who can afford to travel etc.

Post: #213

(10-04-2012 03:06 AM)BigAlexBoss Wrote:  Well done Slubu - break down for us nightgame/daygame etc?

The quality of slavic girls in Kiev is undeniable - not sure they are so much better than Balkans and Baltics though.

I agree.They do not look so good as Russian or Serbian girls or even Belarussian ones and the main reason is malnutrition in my opinion.The advantage that Kiev has over other cities in Ukraine is that it attracts some of the best looking girls in the country for financial reasons.(the native Kiev population is not sth extraordinary they look more or less like girls in Dnipropetrovsk).Actually when I was in Kiev back in 2003 the quality was definitely lower(more malnutrition and less girls from province).It became super in 2008(peak of economic rise) and worse in 2008-2011(more hot girls flowing from Kiev to other advanced destinations like Moscow or Western Europe).
So the quality and attitude of Kiev girls relates straight to economics(in 2008 it was awful full of scammers and became much better in 2009 when crisis hit Ukraine hard and the grivnya suffered a 80% devaluation.Actually in 2009 one could get a glimpse of the golden times(before 2003-girls desperate) but it lasted a few months.

Post: #214

Maybe that's why I like Ukraine so much, I love super skinny girls and if they lead the area in malnutrition I am in the right area then.

I'll post some more updates. I don't do any day game as I'm usually up until 5-7am and then sleeping the day away or in today's case, awake laying in bed nursing a hangover posting here. So my typical day has become wake up 11am-1pm, go eat some crap ukranian food around 2pm (I'm seriously considering just McD's from now on, food here sucks), come back, rest, setup an internet date/meet around 7pm, see where that goes then come back, drink some and head out to a club around midnight.

I really don't know what it is, but girls love me here. Mind you, I have not yet banged and it is incredibly frustrating. This place may even surpass Brazil for me though in terms of how much girls eye fuck me and how quickly I can get a makeout. For example, yesterday, had two internet dates lined up one at 7pm one and 9pm. When the first one showed up, I immediately texted the second one and said work is keeping me out late and couldn't meet up as I was not going to cut the first date short. The 7pm was very cute, super thin blonde girl with young face and looked incredibly better than her pictures. Told her let's grab a drink, went to one cafe, then another lounge, then started walking back hand in hand (something that would kill the mood and date in the US). Looking at souvenirs and grab her and make out with her at the metro station. Then I bought tequila and had to coax her but got her up to my apartment. Had a shot of tequila together then went at the hard makeout as stated above. These girls are horny I can feel it, she was straddling me and dry humping. Tried to get her in my bedroom but she wouldn't go. Eventually walked her down and came up and my buddy and I got ready for the night.

Head out to a known place here, they face control my friend because they think he's Turkish (dark complexion). After about 20 minutes outside talking in English, the bouncer concedes and let's us in. Go in, again it's ridiculous how friendly the girls were. A 6.5 or so I start talking to, and I literally could care less about her given the quality around me. So I just fuck with it and see how far I could push her. Makeout in under 30 minute and I basically try to escalate at the bar. Didn't work she left. Was then walking around and some girl grabs me and throws me into her friend, who was a very cute 19yo. She's into me, talk for a bit lots of kino take her to the couch and we start going at it. Hard makeout again but nothing further. Her friends (also cute) thought it was funny and were just sitting opposite the couch watching us and talking to themselves. Eventually they drag her out and we share a cab back to drop me off before they leave. Walking the streets try hitting on some girls, see some that I spoke to earlier and we go to McD's together. There it dies down I eat and go home.

So now what? Arrived Sunday night and until now I have 8 girls at different levels of potential from highly unlikely to ever see again to almost guaranteed sex if I had more time. At least I think. I'm probably spreading myself too thin but it's so addicting the interactions with these girls. The amount of effort I would have to put forth in LA to get most of these girls would be astronomical. Now I'm left with deciding if I should continue on as planned to Scandanavia or just stay here for another week.

Also, I think it's important to note that each place will be different for different people. I travel with the same friend every year so I directly see how we both do with the local girls since we look very different. I look white, 5'11 green eyes light brown hair. My friend is 5'9 looks colombian with dark brown eyes. I struck out like no other in Poland this trip despite approaching like mad. My friend had a girl tell him his brown eyes were so sexy. Last year in Colombia my friend did much better than me, whereas in Brazil that same trip I did a lot better.

I'm sure there are a lot of negatives to Kiev (horrible winters, tons of scammers, etc.) but I have to say of the 56 cities or so I've traveled to outside the US it is getting very near the top as I love thin, young, feminine white girls with light eyes...which is basically what they are. And apparently they like me for whatever reason, though I may jump off my balcony soon if one doesn't give in and bang.

EDIT: One quick thing. I don't want to give the illusion I'm working with models here and all top shelf beauties. I'd say I'm capping out at 8, nonetheless I'm immensely enjoying the multitude of girls within the 7-8 range in such a short time.

Post: #215

With clubbing and serial dates you likely spend in the range of 150-200 euro per day apartment costs included.So till now you have spent around 1200 euro air tickets included with no bang.
It is the unique case of Kiev,one has a good time there but overspends compared to province.It is only worth if you stay only one week and overspend to get maximum results.(concentration of resources).Since one spends so much for every hour in Kiev it is totally wrong not to daygame in my opinion(derpivation of sleep is always a must a sacrifice for the anxious pick uper).One needs to be soldier like in hunt of pussy.

Post: #216

In an ideal world I'd like to swoop in and out of a city a week at a time but is this realistic when in places like Russia and Ukraine when time is needed to find and date women. Should one test the water first and get out ASAP if nothing happens after 7 days or spend a bit if time to secure a bang. The risk is I suppose there might still be no bang and you have wasted too much time?! Tough call.

Post: #217

After being in Kiev 2 weeks, I am left opining that you really need 4 weeks minimum in FSU if you want to have a chance at dating some 8s or even a 9. Any less time, and with the slowness of dating there you risk leaving half a dozen half worked prospects as I did.

For a week I would go to Balkans, Baltics or Poland and get 1 or 2 bangs guaranteed.

Post: #218

Dating in Kiev does not mean a thing.Every girl accepts dating since it means dinner in a fancy restaurant or expensive cocktails in central cafe.They cannot afford them themselves so they are quite open to dating.

Post: #219

Slubu , How are you dressed? i know you like skinny ties and stuff.

Post: #220

(10-04-2012 09:55 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Slubu , How are you dressed? i know you like skinny ties and stuff.

So far button down and jeans, nice jacket (not blazer). For first meets and going out I'm doing this. For 2nd dates I plan to dress up more, and for the weekend I am suiting up for going to D'lux and other higher end venues.

Post: #221

(10-04-2012 07:53 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Dating in Kiev does not mean a thing.Every girl accepts dating since it means dinner in a fancy restaurant or expensive cocktails in central cafe.They cannot afford them themselves so they are quite open to dating.

This seems to be what Slubu and Alex went through, this is great reading.

Post: #222

(10-04-2012 03:02 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Yes,slavic soul,thinking in depth.Americans are very superficial and straight.However if these girls had the financial status of American girls they would hardly give you a second look.I mean education is waste of resources from capitalist point of view.

IDK if Slavic soul think in depth, maybe educated big city girls. From my friend's experience dating Slovak girls and talking to provincial Ukrainian or RUssian girls, he says," they don't know shit and all they talk about is their house life, and they are ignorant." BTW he is speaks like fluent Slovak and very good Russian, he makes fun of them saying that he knows words in slovak that Slovak girls don't even know. He says another girl from Northern RUssia, did not know moth, thought moth/мольтек was butterfly/бабочка.

Post: #223

(10-04-2012 11:04 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(10-04-2012 07:53 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Dating in Kiev does not mean a thing.Every girl accepts dating since it means dinner in a fancy restaurant or expensive cocktails in central cafe.They cannot afford them themselves so they are quite open to dating.

This seems to be what Slubu and Alex went through, this is great reading.

I get a sense that they are getting fleeced. As Wolverine said: escalate as soon as you can and if by the 3rd date they dont put out them move on.

Post: #224

(10-04-2012 11:28 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(10-04-2012 11:04 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(10-04-2012 07:53 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Dating in Kiev does not mean a thing.Every girl accepts dating since it means dinner in a fancy restaurant or expensive cocktails in central cafe.They cannot afford them themselves so they are quite open to dating.

This seems to be what Slubu and Alex went through, this is great reading.

I get a sense that they are getting fleeced. As Wolverine said: escalate as soon as you can and if by the 3rd date they dont put out them move on.

I get the same sense as well, I am curious as to how many dates these girls will go on. On this forum alone there seems to be quite a few guys who have been there recently and go there often.

Post: #225

(10-04-2012 04:30 AM)slubu Wrote:  So now what? Now I'm left with deciding if I should continue on as planned to Scandanavia or just stay here for another week.

Simple... you stay. You're really happy there.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're just going to Scandinavia to check it off your list so you can say "been there, done that." Stay where you're happy and get a deeper understanding in Ukraine for when you go back and build on this trip. Scandinavia will always be there to check off the list later on.

Plus, me and others on the forum seflishly want to hear more about Ukraine.

Why don't you pick 2 of your favorite girls and hit them hard and date them or whatever each day for the next 2-3 days to see if you can bang them... while working other girls earlier in the day.