Post: #1

I didn't see a thread about this NYTimes article yet, but it has some great quotes from the Communist Party Women's Federation.

For example:

Quote:When holding out for a man, if you say he must be rich and brilliant, romantic and hardworking ... this is just being willful. Does this kind of perfect man exist? Maybe he does exist, but why on earth would he want to marry you?

I'm curious if this is promoted very much there or not. It'd be interesting to see if it had some kind of effect on women's choices.

Post: #2

Officially sanctioned anti-hamsterist efforts: shows incredible foresight and willingness to tackle tough issues. Something other than the feel-good populist platitudes we hear so often in the West.

Post: #3

The "What do YOU bring to the table?" question is the most difficult for American women to answer.

Post: #4

Classic feminist maneuver. Instead of forming an argument, simply Point and Snark™, and your opposition will be defeated!

Quote:Leta Hong Fincher is an American doctoral student in Tsinghua University’s Department of Sociology.

She must be furious.

Post: #5

but since the popularty of ultrasound and the one child policy there are more men than women in china. its worse for younger guys there than before.

Post: #6

(10-13-2012 06:50 PM)bacon Wrote:  but since the popularty of ultrasound and the one child policy there are more men than women in china. its worse for younger guys there than before.

unless you are a foreigner.

Post: #7

From what I've been reading about China lately, the mass of unwanted female babies are either adopted abroad(mostly in the US)
or end up working as prostitutes in Japan.

Post: #8

What surprises me is that there would be ANY leftover women in China given the huge surplus of men.

It's good to see that western style feminism and political correctness hasn't infected the world's largest nation. That quote about women losing value as they age of could've been lifted right out of RVF.

Post: #9

(10-14-2012 10:27 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  What surprises me is that there would be ANY leftover women in China given the huge surplus of men.

A surplus of beta, socially castrated males. It evens out.

Post: #10

China's demographics look like they are extremely fucked. Their status as super-power will be short lived.

Post: #11

(10-14-2012 06:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  China's demographics look like they are extremely fucked. Their status as super-power will be short lived.

Here's an article from the Economist about that point. http://www.economist.com/node/21553056


China is pretty similar to most Asian countries. Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, and Korea all are all fighting for the lowest birth rates in the world and Japan isn't doing much better. All the Asian women are marrying later and later and expecting more and more from their guys. The gender ratios from selective abortion aren't helping either and are probably what's driving the increased expectations.

But, the guys are partly to blame too, they're massive betas. My gf tells me her friends in Taiwan would dress up to go to clubs and no local guys would hit on them. Only the foreigners and American Born Chinese (ABC's) would be hitting on the girls.

At least state shaming is a start but I believe that the government needs to teach game and have everyone registered on a single's list so you know which girls are just fucking around "dating".

Post: #12

Seriously, how dumb is this chick? I imagine she's probably ugly but just how fucking stupid do you have to be to be on Chinese soil and attacking their government policy in an internationally-read newspaper?

I have never said one bad thing, even in person, about the Chinese government, why?

1) What are they doing to me personally? Jack shit, that's what, I'm a guest in their country, that means to a certain degree I have to play ball and that's fine.
2) I don't want to get deported (the CCP does not suffer foreigners raising questions about them).

I hope that this broad gets jailed, though a deportation is a far more likely situation (if anything happens at all).

As for the 'Are Chinese guys beta?' argument; by our standards, yes, extremely so...but understand that Chinese women have been wired to respond to different buttons than their she-beast American counterparts; stability, earning potential and family reputation are all more important than 'the pussy wants what it wants' and 'he has a badass motorcycle!'.

Post: #13

(10-14-2012 07:52 PM)cibo Wrote:  

(10-14-2012 06:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  China's demographics look like they are extremely fucked. Their status as super-power will be short lived.

Here's an article from the Economist about that point. http://www.economist.com/node/21553056


China is pretty similar to most Asian countries. Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, and Korea all are all fighting for the lowest birth rates in the world and Japan isn't doing much better. All the Asian women are marrying later and later and expecting more and more from their guys. The gender ratios from selective abortion aren't helping either and are probably what's driving the increased expectations.

But, the guys are partly to blame too, they're massive betas. My gf tells me her friends in Taiwan would dress up to go to clubs and no local guys would hit on them. Only the foreigners and American Born Chinese (ABC's) would be hitting on the girls.

At least state shaming is a start but I believe that the government needs to teach game and have everyone registered on a single's list so you know which girls are just fucking around "dating".

The Economist was until very recently telling its readers that Russia was in the midst of a catastrophic population decline as a result of falling birth rates and emigration. Well, Russia's fertility rates have increased in recent years and the country looks like it's about to start growing again in absolute terms. Strangely, they haven't seen fit to report this new trend.

The moral is, the Western media loves telling gloom and doom stories about non-Western countries.

Post: #14

(10-15-2012 11:24 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(10-14-2012 07:52 PM)cibo Wrote:  

(10-14-2012 06:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  China's demographics look like they are extremely fucked. Their status as super-power will be short lived.

Here's an article from the Economist about that point. http://www.economist.com/node/21553056


China is pretty similar to most Asian countries. Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, and Korea all are all fighting for the lowest birth rates in the world and Japan isn't doing much better. All the Asian women are marrying later and later and expecting more and more from their guys. The gender ratios from selective abortion aren't helping either and are probably what's driving the increased expectations.

But, the guys are partly to blame too, they're massive betas. My gf tells me her friends in Taiwan would dress up to go to clubs and no local guys would hit on them. Only the foreigners and American Born Chinese (ABC's) would be hitting on the girls.

At least state shaming is a start but I believe that the government needs to teach game and have everyone registered on a single's list so you know which girls are just fucking around "dating".

The Economist was until very recently telling its readers that Russia was in the midst of a catastrophic population decline as a result of falling birth rates and emigration. Well, Russia's fertility rates have increased in recent years and the country looks like it's about to start growing again in absolute terms. Strangely, they haven't seen fit to report this new trend.

The moral is, the Western media loves telling gloom and doom stories about non-Western countries.

Yes, Russia has improved to now being only slightly better than Japan, Italy, and Germany. Congrats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...ility_rate

Post: #15

(10-15-2012 11:24 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(10-14-2012 07:52 PM)cibo Wrote:  

(10-14-2012 06:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  China's demographics look like they are extremely fucked. Their status as super-power will be short lived.

Here's an article from the Economist about that point.

China is pretty similar to most Asian countries. Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, and Korea all are all fighting for the lowest birth rates in the world and Japan isn't doing much better. All the Asian women are marrying later and later and expecting more and more from their guys. The gender ratios from selective abortion aren't helping either and are probably what's driving the increased expectations.

But, the guys are partly to blame too, they're massive betas. My gf tells me her friends in Taiwan would dress up to go to clubs and no local guys would hit on them. Only the foreigners and American Born Chinese (ABC's) would be hitting on the girls.

At least state shaming is a start but I believe that the government needs to teach game and have everyone registered on a single's list so you know which girls are just fucking around "dating".

The Economist was until very recently telling its readers that Russia was in the midst of a catastrophic population decline as a result of falling birth rates and emigration. Well, Russia's fertility rates have increased in recent years and the country looks like it's about to start growing again in absolute terms. Strangely, they haven't seen fit to report this new trend.

The moral is, the Western media loves telling gloom and doom stories about non-Western countries.

Ehh? The Economist article is very to the point and describes their situation accurately. It's the last magazine I would put in the same box as general western media. Check the below graph, it details Russian population.



As you can see the current rise in Russian population is not yet anything significant on a macro-scale. Statistically speaking the growth rate is still stagnant.

Post: #16

On that chart it's interesting to see how Russia's falling birth rate started shortly after the introduction of democracy. What a great testament for the contemporary western civilization: struggling to find jobs, chasing a career, getting deeply indebted, overloading on beer and nachos, shopping for useless crap, watching soap operas on tv, riding a cock carousel, postponing marriage, facebooking, etc.

Post: #17

(10-15-2012 01:25 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(10-15-2012 11:24 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(10-14-2012 07:52 PM)cibo Wrote:  

(10-14-2012 06:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  China's demographics look like they are extremely fucked. Their status as super-power will be short lived.

Here's an article from the Economist about that point.

China is pretty similar to most Asian countries. Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, and Korea all are all fighting for the lowest birth rates in the world and Japan isn't doing much better. All the Asian women are marrying later and later and expecting more and more from their guys. The gender ratios from selective abortion aren't helping either and are probably what's driving the increased expectations.

But, the guys are partly to blame too, they're massive betas. My gf tells me her friends in Taiwan would dress up to go to clubs and no local guys would hit on them. Only the foreigners and American Born Chinese (ABC's) would be hitting on the girls.

At least state shaming is a start but I believe that the government needs to teach game and have everyone registered on a single's list so you know which girls are just fucking around "dating".

The Economist was until very recently telling its readers that Russia was in the midst of a catastrophic population decline as a result of falling birth rates and emigration. Well, Russia's fertility rates have increased in recent years and the country looks like it's about to start growing again in absolute terms. Strangely, they haven't seen fit to report this new trend.

The moral is, the Western media loves telling gloom and doom stories about non-Western countries.

Ehh? The Economist article is very to the point and describes their situation accurately. It's the last magazine I would put in the same box as general western media. Check the below graph, it details Russian population.



As you can see the current rise in Russian population is not yet anything significant on a macro-scale. Statistically speaking the growth rate is still stagnant.

A stagnant population is a major improvement from a declining one, which Russia was experiencing until recently. Russia's population was falling for about twenty years and suddenly that process has been arrested - that's a major achievement in itself. Bear in mind that almost the entire Western media was projecting that decline to continue for decades to come until Russia was emptied of its people and its Siberian East was gradually colonized by the Chinese.

Russia has experienced declining mortality rates across the board since at least 2000 and total fertility rates have increased (albeit starting from extremely low sub-replacement levels). So, Russia may well see population growth in coming years.

In any event, after the Western media exaggerated Russian woes, their predictions about China's demography deserve to be scrutinized.

Post: #18

LOL, stumbled across this video and got a chuckle.

Except for the last 15 secs he goes all white knight silly.

Post: #19

Leta Hong Fincher

Perhaps this picture will stimulate some discussion on what drives a woman to become a sociologist. I know it won't be stimulating anything else.

Post: #20

One of my best friends in China is a woman who owns an italian restaurant. She speaks two languages, has a degree, can perfect any recipe you hand her (seriously, for awhile we tried to find random things for her to cook and they would turn out perfect even if she had no idea wtf it was she was making), and dresses up everyday. Every single time she came over to my apartment she would start cleaning it (I'm not that messy or dirty, we're talking dusting behind the fridge type cleaning,) just because she felt it was expected of her to clean and she enjoyed doing it. No Chinese guys would date her because she's over 30 (32, to be exact) and has a degree in nursing.

Her one and only wish is to have a husband because everyone she knows sees her as a failure without one.

It blows my fucking mind. This is a woman who could pick and choose men at will in the states. She refuses to believe that there are plenty of American men who would love to have an Asian woman who would cook and clean for them like no tomorrow. It's a totally foreign concept.

Post: #21

With the numbers of potential (and actual) male suitors per available female exploding in China thanks to their domestic policies, you are going to see not just hypergamy unchained, but exploding to EPIC proportions.

This seems like a recognition of that future and an attempt to make a preemptive strike against it.

It won't work.

I'm sure many people on here have read Rollo Tomasi's "Hypergamy doesn't care" post. Well, hypergamy doesn't care what Chinese government policies have been concocted to counteract it.

Post: #22

With the way things are going the Chinese population will dwindle in 100 years.

The one kid policy, and giving their daughters away, or having their daughters move to US to marry is going to cause Spermatoxisis for all Chinese men. Their population will dwindle.

I gotta give more credit to chinese girls for moving away to countries like US and getting married unlike Japanese girls who lick door knobs.

I see China doing stupid shit in the future like going to war with Russia. Russia got all the pussy and the natural resources.

Post: #23

I firmly believe that of the East Asian women, Chinese women make the best wives.

Post: #24

I have heard in China if you are a dude (mainly in the big cities) and don't have a job, a house/apt and a car - good luck finding a wife. 60 minutes had something on this a few months ago.

Post: #25

(11-13-2013 09:29 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  I have heard in China if you are a dude (mainly in the big cities) and don't have a job, a house/apt and a car - good luck finding a wife. 60 minutes had something on this a few months ago.

that sounds true everywhere