Post: #1

I've always heard this and have personally heard it from quite a few girls that I've fucked in the past. How true or false is it? I would say looking around 35 is the perfect age for MOST 20 something year old girls just from my experience. But I look young as fuck so what do I know. Talk about it

Post: #2

(11-24-2012 09:06 PM)houston Wrote:  But I look young as fuck so what do I know. Talk about it

You and I have the same problem. I look younger than I am, too. I don't consider this a negative though. When I'm 45 I'll look 35 (unless of course I get hooked on Heroin or Meth gaming the chicks from the "Gaming Drug Users" thread), so looking younger gives me a longer lifespan in terms of gaming the early 20's crowd several years from now. It isn't a curse, it's a gift.

Post: #3

You have to keep in shape, be alpha, control the frame and even sometimes, slap around their younger male friends. Also, now and then show them a good time with a little bit of bankroll. It might not last when you are 45, but before then it is very doable, as long as you can handle their flakiness.

Post: #4

I'm 20 and admittedly know little about this, though it does hold true for even younger, high school girls. Being a few years older or in college is seen as having high status to them. It's not in my legal interest to say whether or not I have taken advantage of this fact in the past.

Post: #5

I know two guys who are 45 who still go to bars and land very young women. One of the guys looks MUCH younger than 45, and the other guy has more charisma than I've seen.

My dad was 50 when he knocked up his now-wife -- she was a hot 20 year old. He's ugly as fuck and admits that, but he has charisma bleeding out of his pores.

Post: #6

(11-24-2012 09:35 PM)IQVX Wrote:  I'm 20 and admittedly know little about this, though it does hold true for even younger, high school girls. Being a few years older or in college is seen as having high status to them. It's not in my legal interest to say whether or not I have taken advantage of this fact in the past.

Well said.... we have a future lawyer in our ranks. All of us here adhere by the law of our countries and nature. Femcunts we are playing by the rules.

Post: #7

When I was thirty nine I had a brief fling with some random 23 year old big tittied girl. She'd found my floppy disk (ya, it was a while ago) at an internet cafe, and I had the cafe call her to come give it to me. Just as we made the exchange, some other chick I'd met online happened by, thus performing the cockblock. But I liked the big tittied girl more, told the skinny chick to wait and chased down the big tittied girl. Got her number, and got later got the lay, but a few dates later she dumped me, explaining that I was too young for her.

Some girls really prefer an older man vibe.

And it's not enough to just be older - you have to be able to pull off a paternal presence.

I've known a few twenty somethings who don't like to date men under forty.

It's a minority of women who go for the older guys, but it's a smaller minority of older guys who stay fit and stay in the game. It's like Thailand - most hi-so girls aren't into westerners. But even though it's a minority that are, the westerners are a smaller minority still, and so they'll do better than most locals. Niche marketing.

By the way, about the big tittied girl, I was able to turn her around and get a few more dates out of her, but wound up losing interest, as she was a weird one. She'd try to be emasculating, and would make a sport of it to try to make my dick soft and then laugh at my inability to fuck her. Like it was a sport to her, to have some strange power over guys that way. My dick works fine, but I didn't appreciate her games of trying to pretend it didn't, so for one date I popped a viagra. When I stayed hard after a long session it just pissed her off. She didn't win! It was just too fucked up, and I knew it wasn't just my imagination; the girl was into the strangest head games. I was seeing a few other girls at the time, and when the entertainment value of seeing her suck her own nipples wore off, I just let her slide. Ballbusters are weird.

Anway, I figure that it's at about age 50 when things start to get very difficult for the older guy, even if he moves to age difference friendly countries. And so a guy needs every advantage and compensating factor he can muster - more of them the older he gets. Fitness, game, money, whatever he can work. Fame. Men have a wall, but we also have loopholes in it.

Post: #8

A couple big factors:

1. Do they know how old you actually are? Plenty of girls will only make a stink once they know you are in fact 8 years older. Better to fuck them before they know.
2. Are you running in the same circles? If you're running into her naturally, eg you're a grad student at her college, or you're a higher up at her company/industry, she's less likely to make age a big deal. Logistics make you seem like a peer.
3. How old do you seem? Can you make her laugh and feel like a peer?
4. What are their options for guys their age? If she goes to a school with few straight attractive men, or works in an industry like that, she'll be more open to dating older men.

In my experience:

18-22 year old college co-eds: will date college seniors. Girls in urban colleges are more open to dating older men, as are non-sorority, non-athlete girls, and girls with weaker social circles in general. Age differences of four to five years are fairly common, and even more when these girls are dating graduate students. Junior in college with a dude in business school - 8-10 year difference.
22-24 year olds, girls just out of college: will comfortably date guys in their mid to late 20s.
25-27: date guys in mid-twenties to early 30s.

This is pretty conservative. Obviously, you'll hear stories of 'bro I'm 40 and I don't bang girls over 22.' What I wrote above is for typical girls and fairly typical guys. It isn't accounting for game, style, how you met and other factors. I've winged with a few guys around age 30, and age doesn't hurt them with 22+ girls as far as I can tell, though all of these guys could pass for 25 easily. You can ask a girl and she'll say one thing, but if she meets a cool guy, what she said goes out the window.

I don't have enough experience to speak with confidence here, but having social access to young girls, instead of cold approaching, is probably going to be one of the biggest factors working your favor. And it's probably harder to date younger via online dating, compared to other ways of meeting girls where your age isn't the first thing they see.

Edit: If you're concerned, just lie about your age. Plenty of girls have these stupid ideas that say, a 28 year old is too old for them because they are 24. But if you fuck her, and *then* she finds out, she probably isn't going to walk away. I think of it as the 'smelly feet syndrome,' that there are plenty of things that will cause a girl not to fuck you, *if* she finds out about them before sex. If she finds out afterwards, she won't care, especially if you do your best to minimize it.

Post: #9

(11-24-2012 09:57 PM)xsplat Wrote:  When I was thirty nine I had a brief fling with some random 23 year old big tittied girl ... ... Got her number, and got later got the lay, but a few dates later she dumped me, explaining that I was too young for her.

Post: #10

(11-24-2012 10:12 PM)basilransom Wrote:  A couple big factors:

1. Do they know how old you actually are? Plenty of girls will only make a stink once they know you are in fact 8 years older. Better to fuck them before they know.
2. Are you running in the same circles? If you're running into her naturally, eg you're a grad student at her college, or you're a higher up at her company/industry, she's less likely to make age a big deal. Logistics make you seem like a peer.
3. How old do you seem? Can you make her laugh and feel like a peer?
4. What are their options for guys their age? If she goes to a school with few straight attractive men, or works in an industry like that, she'll be more open to dating older men.

In my experience:

18-22 year old college co-eds: will date college seniors. Girls in urban colleges are more open to dating older men, as are non-sorority, non-athlete girls, and girls with weaker social circles in general. Age differences of four to five years are fairly common, and even more when these girls are dating graduate students. Junior in college with a dude in business school - 8-10 year difference.
22-24 year olds, girls just out of college: will comfortably date guys in their mid to late 20s.
25-27: date guys in mid-twenties to early 30s.

This is pretty conservative. Obviously, you'll hear stories of 'bro I'm 40 and I don't bang girls over 22.' What I wrote above is for typical girls and fairly typical guys. It isn't accounting for game, style, how you met and other factors. I've winged with a few guys around age 30, and age doesn't hurt them with 22+ girls as far as I can tell, though all of these guys could pass for 25 easily.

I don't have enough experience to speak with confidence here, but having social access to young girls, instead of cold approaching, is probably going to be one of the biggest factors working your favor. And it's probably harder to date younger via online dating, compared to other ways of meeting girls where your age isn't the first thing they see.

You hit it on the nose basilransom. That is how it is exactly in Anglo countries. But what a damn shame. A 10 year difference should be the norm and it is in non westernized countries.

Post: #11

Yes, girls like typically like older men. A 15-20 year age gap is acceptable to girls, even in the west, if you have the goods - vitality and maturity - and are a good lover. Plus, young girls want to explore anyway - it often doesn't really matter to them where the juice and fun is coming from. Their hamster will rationalise it, if they are getting the goods and that's the key point, not how old or young you are. They are looking to grow and are commonly seeking the wisdom of the older man.

I know some guys in their early 50's who even hook up 18-20 year olds quite regularly! But this is the key, one in particularly has a lot of status in his community for the wisdom he shares and girls are looking for that as well. Pretty young things have bragged to me about this guy, that "he" stayed at their house! Thing is though, the wider community tends to judge him for this.

Attraction is not a choice. A lot of the time, age is just numbers and I've noticed on here a few guys have mentioned they look 10 years younger than they are. Plus, older men is a status thing for younger women. See the world through their eyes - look at the guys their age and you'll start to see the picture more clearly.

Post: #12

(11-24-2012 11:55 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  Yes, girls like typically like older men. A 15-20 year age gap is acceptable to girls, even in the west, if you have the goods - vitality and maturity - and are a good lover. Plus, young girls want to explore anyway - it often doesn't really matter to them where the juice and fun is coming from. Their hamster will rationalise it, if they are getting the goods and that's the key point, not how old or young you are. They are looking to grow and are commonly seeking the wisdom of the older man.

I know some guys in their early 50's who even hook up 18-20 year olds quite regularly! But this is the key, one in particularly has a lot of status in his community for the wisdom he shares and girls are looking for that as well. Pretty young things have bragged to me about this guy, that "he" stayed at their house! Thing is though, the wider community tends to judge him for this.

Attraction is not a choice. A lot of the time, age is just numbers and I've noticed on here a few guys have mentioned they look 10 years younger than they are. Plus, older men is a status thing for younger women. See the world through their eyes - look at the guys their age and you'll start to see the picture more clearly.

tiggaling I understand what you are saying, but you are giving a false impression of how it is in the US and the Anglosphere. You would have to have real status and massive amount of game to get the young hotties. Look at General Petraus going for 40 yr old American women, when if he were a top General in the DR, Colombia, Philippines, Russia, etc he could tap whatever he wanted (18 -25 yr olds). Older guys with game in America speak about anecnotes and exceptions......NOT THE RULE.

Post: #13

(11-25-2012 11:07 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  ... Look at General Petraus going for 40 yr old American women, when if he were a top General in the DR, Colombia, Philippines, Russia, etc he could tap whatever he wanted (18 -25 yr olds). ....

This is a good point, huge status ( head of the most powerful spy org in the world) and he didn't even pick her out, chanced into her because SHE was looking for info/connecitons "for her book."

She's NOT exceptionally attractive, except for an American that age she's not fat. Hundreds of thousands of Slavchix 18-23 completely blow her out of the water.

Post: #14

(11-25-2012 11:07 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  Older guys with game in America speak about anecnotes and exceptions......NOT THE RULE.

By being here and choosing to follow this lifestyle, you are already the exception. So, why are you comparing yourself to the rule? The rule is a below average looking, poorly dressed, overweight, sexually frustrated husband with no life.

Post: #15

I think theoretically a lot of girls are ok with it, the problems you find is that u25s tend to be fixated on social circle/social media and little else. Although the attraction may be there I find it difficult to find any common ground so things can often reach a stumbling block, unless the girl is really grown up/intelligent.

Post: #16

ASIAN girls go bananas for men 10 to 15 years their senior. They call us uncles or older brothers and 70% of their songs are written about older guys. Young women much prefer to get their hands on older guys, we make them feel comfortable, safe and a little bit dirty.

16 to 30 y/o women will date men 10 to 15 years their senior here. How do I know? All of the 40 something scumbags I work with are dating teenagers and 21 y/o's.

These men are like your typical otaku losers too... I mean you guys are REALLY kicking yourselves in the ass by staying in North America... what does a vacation to asia cost anyway? 5000 bucks for 6 months? honestly...I don't understand north americans.

As I've said before, my gf is 23 and I'm 32... a forum member can verify as he came here and we all went for pizza and hung out over the weekend.

Post: #17

(11-25-2012 11:29 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(11-25-2012 11:07 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  Older guys with game in America speak about anecnotes and exceptions......NOT THE RULE.

By being here and choosing to follow this lifestyle, you are already the exception. So, why are you comparing yourself to the rule? The rule is a below average looking, poorly dressed, overweight, sexually frustrated husband with no life.

Manabout I am just saying there are so many hurdles to overcome in America, not that it can´t be done. In Austin, Texas I was already a dirty old man at 28, when I tried to pick up a 19 yr old girl at a local University of Texas bar. Granted I was alone, but she asked me what an older guy like me was doing there. That only happens in the Anglosphere and so to me all the effort to game young girls is not worth it in these countries.

Post: #18

I know some 18 year olds who openly admit to me that they prefer 40ish year old men. There's probably even more out there who either won't admit it or wouldn't mind it if the opportunity arose. Not to mention how many girls basically fall in love with their teachers and professors...

A few members have touched on this, but having an older boyfriend (2-5 years is most common) can be a status thing for young women. They use them to impress their friends.

Post: #19

(11-26-2012 12:25 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-25-2012 11:29 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(11-25-2012 11:07 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  Older guys with game in America speak about anecnotes and exceptions......NOT THE RULE.

By being here and choosing to follow this lifestyle, you are already the exception. So, why are you comparing yourself to the rule? The rule is a below average looking, poorly dressed, overweight, sexually frustrated husband with no life.

Manabout I am just saying there are so many hurdles to overcome in America, not that it can´t be done. In Austin, Texas I was already a dirty old man at 28, when I tried to pick up a 19 yr old girl at a local University of Texas bar. Granted I was alone, but she asked me what an older guy like me was doing there. That only happens in the Anglosphere and so to me all the effort to game young girls is not worth it in these countries.

This complaint is equivalent to the IRT's gripes about race. As a matter of fact, it's worse. It's true some young girls prefer young douchebags but you are or at least were 28! Thats an issue that arises for guys well in their 30's like Roosh.

Yep, when youre in past 25 young chicks will challenge you. I hit 26 and girls were skeptically asking my age. The only reason theyre bothering is because theyre willing to open their legs if you respond confidently.

Post: #20

I would say girls prefer guys who are well-traveled, confident, successful, experienced, have game, are in shape, etc. This stuff builds with age as long as you stay in shape. If you already are all of this when you are 25, you are going to be all this and more at 35 and so on.

Post: #21

(11-26-2012 12:25 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  Manabout I am just saying there are so many hurdles to overcome in America, not that it can´t be done. In Austin, Texas I was already a dirty old man at 28, when I tried to pick up a 19 yr old girl at a local University of Texas bar.

Wrong venue. At a college bar, where she is surrounded by her peers, her anti slut defense is sky high. Hit on them during the day time, girls working at the mall, or the coffee shop. I knew a hot 21 year old blonde who told me that when she was 17 she hooked up with a 40 year old guy(yes it's legal in Canada) and that her cut off age for dating guys was 35, i.e, that was her lower limit! Many, many girls confess to being attracted to much older guys. Yes, it is nowhere near as easy in N America as it should be. But, as long as you are a guy with some style and swagger and don't look like the typical beat up 30 something accountant, it is not that difficult either.

Post: #22

(11-26-2012 01:39 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(11-26-2012 12:25 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  Manabout I am just saying there are so many hurdles to overcome in America, not that it can´t be done. In Austin, Texas I was already a dirty old man at 28, when I tried to pick up a 19 yr old girl at a local University of Texas bar.

Wrong venue. At a college bar, where she is surrounded by her peers, her anti slut defense is sky high. Hit on them during the day time, girls working at the mall, or the coffee shop. I knew a hot 21 year old blonde who told me that when she was 17 she hooked up with a 40 year old guy(yes it's legal in Canada) and that her cut off age for dating guys was 35, i.e, that was her lower limit! Many, many girls confess to being attracted to much older guys. Yes, it is nowhere near as easy in N America as it should be. But, as long as you are a guy with some style and swagger and don't look like the typical beat up 30 something accountant, it is not that difficult either.

Man about it is all relative. I never said picking up young girls in the US is impossible or even super difficult for an older man, as long as you have game and keep in shape. Nevertheless, it is nowhere near as normal or easy as countries like Colombia, Brazil, Philippines, Thailand, Ukraine, Russia the DR and I can keep on going on.
In most of these countries young women have not been brainwashed by years of feminist propaganda, that label a man banging someone 10 or even 5 years younger as creepy or a dirty old man.
The University of Texas girl was just an example of this type of mindset that girls have been brainwashed to have in the US. Sure basic instincts often bypass societal conditioning, but IMO in the US an older player is swimming against the tide compared to his counterparts in the non Anglospheric world.

Post: #23

(11-26-2012 12:59 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(11-26-2012 12:25 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-25-2012 11:29 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(11-25-2012 11:07 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  Older guys with game in America speak about anecnotes and exceptions......NOT THE RULE.

By being here and choosing to follow this lifestyle, you are already the exception. So, why are you comparing yourself to the rule? The rule is a below average looking, poorly dressed, overweight, sexually frustrated husband with no life.

Manabout I am just saying there are so many hurdles to overcome in America, not that it can´t be done. In Austin, Texas I was already a dirty old man at 28, when I tried to pick up a 19 yr old girl at a local University of Texas bar. Granted I was alone, but she asked me what an older guy like me was doing there. That only happens in the Anglosphere and so to me all the effort to game young girls is not worth it in these countries.

This complaint is equivalent to the IRT's gripes about race. As a matter of fact, it's worse. It's true some young girls prefer young douchebags but you are or at least were 28! Thats an issue that arises for guys well in their 30's like Roosh.

Yep, when youre in past 25 young chicks will challenge you. I hit 26 and girls were skeptically asking my age. The only reason theyre bothering is because theyre willing to open their legs if you respond confidently.

I handled the situation pretty well and did get her number, though she later flaked. My point was to show the social conditioning girls have in the US, which makes it way more difficult for a man 10 to 20 yrs older to bang them. That is why so many guys in this forum talk about looking younger than their age and lying about how old they are.
In most non anglospheric country, I wouldnt need to lie and whenever I have met a girl 15 yrs younger, for example, the issue of age never comes up. It feels as natural for both of us, as drinking water.
So US player should keep this in mind as they get older and not delude themselves that game, money, status etc will still get them easy access to the young pussy.

Post: #24

I believe that there is confluence of age happening right now. Young girls want to look older more quickly and older people women/men want to look younger. I feel age is becoming less of an issue IF you don't make it one. Now, with that said, having a "relationship" with young girl and having an affair with her are two different things. A relationship means she has to integrate you into her life, much more difficult because of family and friends etc.

Post: #25

(11-26-2012 01:02 AM)poutsara Wrote:  I would say girls prefer guys who are well-traveled, confident, successful, experienced, have game, are in shape, etc. This stuff builds with age as long as you stay in shape. If you already are all of this when you are 25, you are going to be all this and more at 35 and so on.

See, with girls under 25 I don't think a lot of this this applies at all. I have found that girls under 25 are pretty much only interested in how 'cool' you are and how much fun you are.

I'm a newb so haven't gone through loads yet but these are definitely my findings, the average 22 year old couldnt give a flying one what countries you've been to, what business you own etc. The one exception would be if you've been 'travelling' say in Thailand or cambodia, even then its only a certani, university educated, element that are intrigued.

Obviously game, being in shape etc counts, but the other factors? not so sure...