Post: #1

Reading Roissy and other sources, I subscribe to the following ideas:

Disloyalty, of any sort, is a major DLV. And I've been led to understand a tenet of game is never to acknowledge DLVs. Therefore, if you stumble upon a disloyalty, even modest, acknowledging it can actually backfire.

Second, laying down the law is the equivalent of giving a girl a second chance.

To the question:

So how do you reckoncile this with any kind of relationship management? Only pound every pussy once and render it a moot point? One strike and you're out?

Post: #2

You don't.

Say you find out your chick has been fucking another dude behind your back. That means your dick has been in his sperm.

No ho is worth that.

Post: #3

(01-08-2013 10:19 AM)silverbullit Wrote:  You don't.

Say you find out your chick has been fucking another dude behind your back. That means your dick has been in his sperm.

No ho is worth that.

Don't be a moron.

No one would accept that.

I'm talking about smaller transgressions - like flirting, etc.

My modus operandi is to pre-emptively bang someone else, but maybe there are other ways.

I'm asking if ever bringing it up can serve a useful purpose.

Post: #4

Your thinking is too extreme in this case. No matter what anyone says, even the most beta of guys can sense when a girl is doing something to disrespect you, make you jealous, or if she is actively seeking other prospects.

The first and third are interrelated, depending if she does it in front of you or not.

If she does or says anything in front of you just to make you jealous, you can ignore it if it doesn't really set of any alarms and keep talking, especially if it's the beginning of a relationship. If it's later in the relationship, it may be to actively dismiss the guy as a chump like he's no threat. Like if you were going to play basketball against a 5 year old.

Of course, if she disrespects you even to the slightest in any way, whether it be related to cheating or not, you gotta set your boundaries and "lay down the law" so to speak right away. It can be as simple as "HEY! Do NOT do that." Or a look of disgust. But you gotta address it right away. If you go back to her and "have a talk with her" about it, unless it's in a very harsh manner, it can hurt more than help. Catch her in the act and act swiftly.

If you are a cool, attractive guy, I'd say the vast majority of girls wouldn't dare cheating, as she subconsciously knows that it's tough to find a guy like you who stay as her boyfriend and has as deep of a connection with her as you do.

She may cheat, but you may also find out and leave her.

Most guys who have game, still actively go out with their boys, have some on the side (or have the potential to), etc will never have to worry about their main girl cheating on them.

Hope this helps.

Post: #5

(01-08-2013 10:58 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  Don't be a moron.

No one would accept that.

I'm talking about smaller transgressions - like flirting, etc.

My modus operandi is to pre-emptively bang someone else, but maybe there are other ways.

I'm asking if ever bringing it up can serve a useful purpose.

That sounds like a bad idea that will lead to a game of "one upping" each other, which the guy will probably lose if she is at all attractive. She can easily bang most everyone you know in a week or two. I know several women who have gone out and purposely fucked their man's best friends and/or worst enemies just to "win" this type of game.

I've found it to be much better to just bring it up. It is easy and effective if you point out that her behavior is not what are looking for and is incredibly easy to find, so unless that changes you will not be stickign around.

Post: #6

I agree with ElJefe.

No need to get argumentative. Just play it tight and aggressive. Use the darker side of the 2/3 rule:

For every transgression she makes, that's two that you should make. And you don't have to hide these. In fact you want her to find them.

She's flirting with a guy? Flirt with two girls in front of her.


There's no need for drama, all you need is game.

Post: #7

OK, if there is public DLVing from her, it seems a good idea to ignore first, then publically correct her she does it again.

Now what if you've discovered the transgression by invading her privacy? Is soup's method better? Or should one call her out?

Post: #8

If she's just a girl you're fucking, don't bother doing anything.

If she's your girlfriend, then confront her if the fault is important enough. If you let your dog piss on your carpet and do nothing, then he will do it again. Next thing you know he's gonna shit in your bed. Same thing with a gf.

Post: #9

Been in this situation, and it fucks with your ego. If a broad ever fixes her lips to come at me sideways, I know that I failed some time earlier with either my screening, or giving her a pass on some trivial transgression.

I've tried communication, ultimatums that I've followed through on, over blown responses - but all of this falls into a women's sense of theater. I've never met a chick that didn't like intrigue, gossip, and DRAMA.

The one thing I've learned, which is something that we all learn from dueling with chicks in the initial meet, is that you have to change the game.

If you ever see a nice chick, or a hot chick with an awful guy, but they'll do anything for that dude, it's not always some domineering alpha that pleasure/pains her
through sex. There is plenty of that, cause at least in my experience, that appeals to a lot of dudes.

Consider the maxim, the one who has less to lose in a relationshi controls the relationship. I've seen my boy do this. Dating a fairly cute chick, he buys alcohol and she pays his rent. Eventually 6 years later, she bounced. But the chick he dated next was even crazier than him.

He was now on the otherside of the craziness, and he tightened up tremendously.

So the player lesson I learned from this, is if a person is basically not responding to reasonable requests, or doesn't follow in an orderly fashion, you can flip the script. You can stop caring on all sorts of levels. Not in a retaliatory way, but being unpredictable.

Indeed, it's often a good player's habits to flake and be unreachable, to provide "drama" that she so craves, but you do it on your terms.

The other option is what I use more often, I don't chase em, I replace em. It requires never getting to invested in any chick and staying invested in the game. I've broken plenty of chicks by just bouncing to the next slot at the slightest provocation.

WIA

Post: #10

(01-08-2013 09:43 PM)Pappy Wrote:  If she's just a girl you're fucking, don't bother doing anything.

If she's your girlfriend, then confront her if the fault is important enough. If you let your dog piss on your carpet and do nothing, then he will do it again. Next thing you know he's gonna shit in your bed. Same thing with a gf.

I agree, if you let her do shit that you don't think is right, she'll keep on doing it. However I feel like sometimes when you mention it to the girl and try to set her straight, she ends up misbehaving even more.

not sure what to do in these kinds of situations. One upping doesn't sound great either.

Post: #11

She gets two chances: The first time, and the last time.

Make sure she knows that.

Post: #12

So implicitly admit having invaded her privacy by talking to her, but focus on the message as Germanico nicely put it.

I might have to do this in a few days, will let you know how it worked out.

Roissy had a post up recently about confronting vs. ignoring a manipulative girlfriend. Seems a good way to do it is to gather as much info as possible before a potential showdown.

Post: #13

(01-09-2013 04:21 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  So implicitly admit having invaded her privacy by talking to her, but focus on the message as Germanico nicely put it.

I might have to do this in a few days, will let you know how it worked out.

Roissy had a post up recently about confronting vs. ignoring a manipulative girlfriend. Seems a good way to do it is to gather as much info as possible before a potential showdown.

Yes, all of game is about being more prepared and increasing your odds of success to a level of higher than your opponent (girls, AMOGs).

It is actually a deep display of social intelligence if you can pick up on these things and prevent them from happening way before they do. Too a girl, it probably just feels like you have an overall sense of control as opposed to losing your shit in the moment in a seemingly incongruent/un-intentional way.

Post: #14

Athol Kay writes about this stuff but mainly for marriage

Post: #15

If you're prepared to dump her, then it doesn't matter if you confront her or not.

Let's say she has been a rude bitch lately. You're sick of it.

You confront her, she acts like a cunt. You dump her.

You avoid her, she keeps acting like a cunt when you do interact with her. You dump her.

Same result, doesn't matter what you do. So the bottom line is to get a new chick and confront her if you want.

Post: #16

I'll also reply to this in the latter context assuming its a girlfriend or more than a girl you are just banging. A girl you are just banging just gets moved to the back of the rotation. She wonders why she doesn't get her weekly hookup call and either corrects or drops out.

Now, onto girlfriend or LTR. In my younger days if I was presented with a DLV I would lose it, over the top anger etc. That back fired, she would usually resort to "see, I knew you would flip out over nothing" and use it as rationale to leave the relationship. Later on, now when presented with a DLV I used WWDD "What would Dad Do" you can insert your own father or TV father figure and think...If the Beaver did this to Ward Cleaver, how would he respond. The answer is usually calmy, fimrly and with un-negotiable consequences oh and with plenty of disappointment. Here's a case study from one of my better results. I was doing a small seminar in which a girl I was seeing was participating, she was undermining my authority as the instructor by making buddy buddy jokes etc. We had a break in the class and here's what I did:

1. As soon as she came up to me I said "come with me for a minute, I need to talk to you" and went with her into the hallway, by changing the location I immediately re-framed it as one where she knew something was up
2. I said "I am really disappointed with your behaviour right now. I am trying to teach and you are interrupting and making an ass out of me in front of people who are my customers. You're better than that, don't make a fool out of yourself"
3. The result was big eyes, crying and profuse apology mixed with a look that she wanted me to take her bang her right there. She composed herself in the bathroom and came completely back in line.

Thats the kind of stuff my parents would use to discipline me as a kid and it worked very well. The key is to get her to step out of the situation you are in, especially if its a social one. It resets her brain and saves her any public embarrassment, which most women will fight to avoid at all costs even if completely wrong out out of line.

Fortunately or unfortunately treating a woman like a child yields good results. Remember WWDD.