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(01-14-2013 05:46 PM)Teedub Wrote:  I'm a newbie here, relatively speaking in terms of post output, but still a newbie in terms of approaches and actually putting into practice what I've learned. I recently completed 100 approaches, with a wingman who is considerably less red-pill than myself, but nevertheless has read Neil Strauss' The Game and Roosh's Bang. A few Day approaches on my own too.

So far, I got 2 SNL's (Slightly lower standard girl than I would have liked) and 9 numbers, but from those numbers; 5 dates, and 4 flakes/no-shows. In the 5 dates, only two progressed anywhere. In first case she was a student and I got everything BUT sex. Second I got full-sex but she was a bit older at 28.

I am not too disappointed with it, but I obviously started blaming it on physical factors rather than game-level, which is a mistake. What I wanna know from you guys is, how do you increase the notch level!?

That is actually not too bad.

Are you counting an approach as when you engage a girl in a bar?

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(01-14-2013 08:27 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  That is actually not too bad.

Are you counting an approach as when you engage a girl in a bar?

Only when it was actually an approach e.g it began with me opening. To be honest, that's the only way I really do engage with girls at bars nowadays, because I don't want to fall into bad old habits like leaning in etc. I've had the odd 'natural' conversation but nothing substantial came from those interactions other than depression at how vapid girls are becoming!

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How many days did it take you to reach 100 approaches?

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Those are great results for your first cycle. Take a break now of week or two`, read a good book, and refer to your notes and let you mind come up with more ideas. Then work on cycle number 2.

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(01-14-2013 05:46 PM)Teedub Wrote:  I am not too disappointed with it, but I obviously started blaming it on physical factors rather than game-level, which is a mistake. What I wanna know from you guys is, how do you increase the notch level!?

Try the drunkest ones.

You shouldn't think of your physical factors as a limitation. As long as you had improved them as much as you can don't think about it at all.

(01-15-2013 05:52 AM)Teedub Wrote:  The next cycle I'm going to try and do it alone

I've noticed it works better for me when I'm alone. Girls feel more comfortable and they even approach themselves sometimes. When the group is large (3 or more) they even "adopt" me and usually start competing for my attention between themselves.
I still prefer to have a wingman for mood (or even engagement) logistics, but when you can't find one that is at your level or at least compatible I think you will notice you are better off alone.

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(01-15-2013 06:06 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Those are great results for your first cycle. Take a break now of week or two`, read a good book, and refer to your notes and let you mind come up with more ideas. Then work on cycle number 2.

I actually finished the cycle on Xmas Eve, I've been busy with other things and will be busy until end of the month. So I've decided to take a whole month 'off' and to resume first week of Feb.

Cheers for the advice Uncle!

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Question: How do you remember exactly how many girls you've approached at the end of the night? Do you take notes or something on your phone as the night goes on or do you just estimate it? My crew and I have been meaning to track our approaches like that to break it down like you have but every time we try we can only vaguely remember how many we've done.

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Good job Teedub, can you post some details on what do you do, how British womenz react, etc. Also, what city are you in?

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(01-15-2013 08:02 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Question: How do you remember exactly how many girls you've approached at the end of the night? Do you take notes or something on your phone as the night goes on or do you just estimate it? My crew and I have been meaning to track our approaches like that to break it down like you have but every time we try we can only vaguely remember how many we've done.

I've used a bit of estimation on the odd night, but I usually use my phone. I just have the calculator up and put a 1 after each approach and add them up at intermittent periods. But as I was only doing about 3 approaches a night it wasn't exactly difficult! I've got a 'Game' folder on my laptop and have loads of game resources stuff in there... as well as a notepad doc with my number of approaches on it.

(01-15-2013 08:52 AM)damngringo Wrote:  Good job Teedub, can you post some details on what do you do, how British womenz react, etc. Also, what city are you in?

I don't want to put up too much info as I've recently started a writing job that's fairly high profile and too much info may get me identified and hounded away! I'll PM you.

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Right on bro, I like what I am hearing.

Nothing worse than an armchair PUA.

Your out there doing approaches, recording the events and learning. Thats the shit.

Your in for a hell of a journey, keep us updated.

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(01-15-2013 03:17 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 08:27 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  That is actually not too bad.

Are you counting an approach as when you engage a girl in a bar?

Only when it was actually an approach e.g it began with me opening. To be honest, that's the only way I really do engage with girls at bars nowadays, because I don't want to fall into bad old habits like leaning in etc. I've had the odd 'natural' conversation but nothing substantial came from those interactions other than depression at how vapid girls are becoming!

Cool.

Yeah, not too shabby.

I will post my conversion rate soon and it will probably give you some insights that will help you.

What time frame did the 100 approaches take place?

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(01-14-2013 05:46 PM)Teedub Wrote:  What I wanna know from you guys is, how do you increase the notch level!?

What do you mean "increase notch level"???

Bang more girls? Bang hotter girls?

It doesn't matter. The answer is the same. Improve your game.

How do you do that? It's a multi faceted approach. You have to work on a few things at the same time:

1) Appearance -- This includes fashion, body, grooming, hair, teeth, shoes, etc. You don't want to appear dull, outdated, or out of style. You want to appear fresh and stylish. You want to "pop". Meaning that when girls look at you, they see something that catches their attention. Don't be afraid to stand out from the crowd a little. Get help with your fashion sense if you need it.

2) Body language -- Are you carrying yourself in a way that projects high value and status? Are you moving calmly and forcefully? Or, are you moving nervously? This includes facial language and eye ball language. Don't state at girls. That can make you appear desperate. Take a more relaxed approach. Keep a confident, cock-sure look on your face. Some guys look needy and beta just by the look on their face. Project an aura of not giving a fuck. Don't be afraid to laugh at girls and other guys. Come from a place of superiority. Everyone at the bar is there to entertain you.

3)Conversational skills -- Are you getting girls to engage? Getting them to laugh? Getting them to take you seriously? Are you taking them on an emotional roller coaster ride where they can literally feel your presence? Study Seinfeld and other comedians. Be sure to use your big boy voice and speak calmly and clearly. Talk to everyone. Become a confident, funny conversationalist.

4) Fishbowl selection --Go where you have the most status. Or, where you are exotic. Or, where you feel the most confident. Or, where there is the least amount of competition. If you go to the hottest club in Miami, you might be swimming with sharks and girls who are hard to impress. You might be better off at a more working class type of bar.
Shit, if you want to bang more girls, go to South East Asia or Peru. You will certainly do better in those places with your increased status.

Choose locations carefully, go where you have the most advantages. (Including logistical advantages)

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What are the physical factors that you feel are holding you back? Are you fat? Balding? Short? Ugly?

These need to be addressed.

Good work on your first 100 approaches. After 1000 approaches, you will be really good.

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(01-15-2013 08:02 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Question: How do you remember exactly how many girls you've approached at the end of the night? Do you take notes or something on your phone as the night goes on or do you just estimate it? My crew and I have been meaning to track our approaches like that to break it down like you have but every time we try we can only vaguely remember how many we've done.

I used to just text myself everytime I did an approach in a nightclub.

During the daytime, I would just carry a pen and a sheet of paper with me, writing down the date, time and place after each approach.

Currently, I keep several spread sheets on my computer, righting down my number of approaches, numbers, dates, and bangs, as well as things like prospects, number of girls banged last year, bang percentage, types of approaches that led to the most results in my area, and anything else I can think of.

I broke up with my last (exclusive) girl end of November/beginning of December last year. Since mid-December, my progress has been moving relatively slowly due to preocupation with my studies. As of mid December, I'm only at...
14 approaches
12 numbers
6 women dated
so far no bangs yet...
Much less than I did last year. Admittedly, been kind of sluggish recently.

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(01-15-2013 02:18 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  What are the physical factors that you feel are holding you back? Are you fat? Balding? Short? Ugly?

I'm pretty badly balding but shave my hair with clippers so its not really that big of a deal. I'm 5ft 10 and in decent shape, and I'm fairly good looking, but that's all relative. The only thing that gets me down is the hair issue, but there's nothing I can do about it so I should stop worrying.

(01-15-2013 01:10 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  What time frame did the 100 approaches take place?

I said in an earlier post, it was over several months, just doing 5-6 approaches per weekend. Almost always with my mate who is learning game too. Next cycle I need to be doing double that I reckon... Preferably on my own as well.

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(01-15-2013 07:55 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  14 approaches
12 numbers
6 women dated
so far no bangs yet...
Much less than I did last year. Admittedly, been kind of sluggish recently.

12 numbers from 14 approaches is excellent!

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(01-16-2013 11:43 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 07:55 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  14 approaches
12 numbers
6 women dated
so far no bangs yet...
Much less than I did last year. Admittedly, been kind of sluggish recently.

12 numbers from 14 approaches is excellent!

Thanks, but it's really a matter of how, and whom you approach. For me, this means:
A.) Lots of indirect daytime approaches
B.) focusing my approaches on Chinese (sometimes Korean and Japanese) girls.

It's very easy for me to open Chinese girls because they react so positively to Westerners who can speak Chinese at least half decently, so in almost all cases, they're at least willing to cough up their phone numbers. Setting up dates with Asian exchange students in Europe can sometimes be kind of hard though, since they use almost every weekend to hop across the border to France, Poland, CR, and whatnot (something which I can't afford at the moment). During dates, escalation can be a little slow, however, as they often take a long time to warm up. Good thing is they seldom flake (unlike the Japanese).

Anyway, I consider Asians (more precisely women from China and Taiwan between 24 and 28) to be my "niche", and figuring out how to exploit that niche definitely led to getting laid more than otherwise.

You'll probably up your bang-count by figuring out your own niche, meaning, girls and situations where you get the most results, whom you like the most and who tend tend to like you. Best way to do that is experience, and looking back at whatever notes you took to recognize patterns.

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(01-15-2013 07:55 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  14 approaches
12 numbers

Damn! I need to take lessons from you!

(01-15-2013 07:55 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  so far no bangs yet...

Or not!

Just playin'!

(01-16-2013 11:41 AM)Teedub Wrote:  I'm pretty badly balding but shave my hair with clippers so its not really that big of a deal. I'm 5ft 10 and in decent shape, and I'm fairly good looking, but that's all relative. The only thing that gets me down is the hair issue, but there's nothing I can do about it so I should stop worrying.

Alot of guys who are balding shave their heads. It's alot better then being 5 foot 2 or ugly. There are worse problems to have. The author of that book "The Game" is bald. I know some bald guys with strong game.

Earlier, you said...

(01-14-2013 05:46 PM)Teedub Wrote:  I obviously started blaming it on physical factors rather than game-level

So, when you say "physical factors", you mean that you are balding...? You probably would like to better looking too.

I feel your pain. I would like to be 6'4 220lbs, all muscle, with model looks and a billion dollar trust fund! Wouldn't it be nice to have it all!!

In the mean time, highlight your strengths, minimize your weaknesses and game the fuck on!

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(01-16-2013 03:14 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  So, when you say "physical factors", you mean that you are balding...? You probably would like to better looking too.

I feel your pain. I would like to be 6'4 220lbs, all muscle, with model looks and a billion dollar trust fund! Wouldn't it be nice to have it all!!

In the mean time, highlight your strengths, minimize your weaknesses and game the fuck on!

Haha indeed Giovonny! Its just a little personal foible I have. We all wish we could have something we can't. Losing your hair at a young age is pretty fucking soul destroying. You can't really understand it unless you've experienced it. It was part of your identity...And then it's gone.

But yeah, you're right, I need to stop focusing on that and just press on, improve my game and stop whining!

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(01-16-2013 04:14 PM)Teedub Wrote:  Losing your hair at a young age is pretty fucking soul destroying.

Fuck man! I don't think you are whining. This is to place the vent a little and express your frustrations with this game stuff.

That sucks. But, you know, we all have limitations. That is our challenge, over coming our personal limitations.

You should go hang around some midgets or burn victims to feel better about your position in the world! Seriously, it could be alot worse. Be thankful for what you got and keep improving all the factors that you can control!

If its that important to you, couldn't you get implants or something?

You have the right attitude. Just keep pushing dude!

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(01-16-2013 04:26 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  If its that important to you, couldn't you get implants or something?

I thought about it at one point but dismissed it as too expensive and also, in a way, its almost something that can make you stand out, being bald... Especially if you have confidence. Its not like I'm 18 or something, that would really be bad IMO. Young girls just straight up aren't attracted to it, unless you are famous or something like Jason Statham etc.

Thanks for the encouragement mate, I know its not the end of the world, just something that annoys me. Thing is, even when I had a full head of hair, I shaved it short anyway! God's punishment so to speak!

Sometimes I think complaining about things outside of our control is almost a defence mechanism so that we can avoid improving other areas; Game, Physique, Languages etc. Its the classic "Oh, there's no point, because I'm X/Y/Z"

Sometimes a bit of tough love is in order, and I'm happy to take it from anyone more experienced than I!