Post: #1

After having a few approaches under my belt and asking for girl's numbers I came across Tariq Nasheed's technique on numbers and he does the exact opposite, He gives girls his number instead. Ive never tried it but if someone has, let me know what your results were. His argument is basically that as a "Mack" you should never do the chasing but let the girl chase you instead. If she calls you, you know shes interested and if she doesnt well then she wasnt interested. You let her do all the work. He also gives the idea of having business cards. This was really interesting and I just might try it out. What do you guys think?

Post: #2

There is some truth in what he says if she contacts you then you know she is fully interested it also makes you seem as if you are not that bothered with her contacting you..
Works sometimes I guess

Post: #3

(03-03-2013 08:41 PM)MidWest Wrote:  His argument is basically that as a "Mack" you should never do the chasing but let the girl chase you instead. If she calls you, you know shes interested and if she doesnt well then she wasnt interested.

Sounds perfect, in theory, but you gotta ask yourself, are you really some "Mack""? Sure, if you were George Clooney you wouldn't need to do any chasing, hell, you wouldn't even be posting here. This is the problem with most PUA info and advice - they are not one size fits all, and in this case five sizes too big!

The general opinion here is that girls VERY RARELY make the first call so giving them your number instead of getting theirs is almost always a losing proposition. Once you start getting a decent amount of numbers you'll soon realize that they mean shit and most would go nowhere, let alone girls making attempts to reach out to you!

Quote:He also gives the idea of having business cards. This was really interesting and I just might try it out.

This sounds somewhat interesting. Do try that out and let us know how that goes.

Post: #4

I think there is also still this stigma about girls making the first move.

Women in American society still think that most the time the guy should "be the man" and "make the first move" but yet they still try to be entitled bitches rather than obeying the men like they did in the early part of the last century.

So I would suggest not doing this unless women know who you are and know what you are about, like a celebrity and such. But hey I'm not sure because I haven't tried it. If you really are interested in how well it goes get out there and let us knows what happens.

Post: #5

Women are stupid. When I was at the university I would get numbers like it was nothing. My conversion rate wasnt good. After I built my team up, I stopped getting numbers. A waste of time to me. I started giving my number out and tell them hit me up when your down to chill. If they did, it was easier to smash those than getting the number and sending text.

To each his own but I give women three tries to respond the way I want. If they don't, I delete.

Post: #6

I passed out my biz cards in SF. I had some interesting reactions, because I look young.

What was dope was that I could sneakily give a girl my # w/out making a big scene.

Flipside, I didn't get many texts/calls from girls. I think its almost worthless as any idea, except for stealth # giving.

Number crunching her is in all other ways better than giving out your number.

Post: #7

This doesn't work well at all, at least for me and I have tried it in the past. Women are just wired to be more passive and expect the man to take action and lead the seduction.

The only way this would work at a decent conversion rate would be if the guy has some very high value-celebrity of some sort- that makes a women so attracted that it overcomes their natural passivity. I heard a news report once that when Tim Tebow was in college, an average of 30 women A DAY showed up at his dormitory trying to meet him. An extreme example sure, but it illustrates the point.

Having said that, I have found that giving our number out does work in one context-online dating. These days,rather than asking for the girls number, I give my number out to a girl I have been messaging with in almost every case. It's unbelievable to me, but about 70% of the girls I give to my number to actually do text me first. I don't know why this works online but not IRL, but it does.

Post: #8

Get hers, but if you can give yours too, it can't hurt, especially if she's really into you. Girls almost never call guys, and chances are unless you made a spectacular first impression, you want to bang her more than she wants to bang you. Ergo, if you don't call her and move things along, nothing will ever happen.

Post: #9

"Put my number in your phone!"

Post: #10

I just approach and insta-date on the spot. It's fun and spontaneous. Don't focus so much on the number. It doesn't really matter. Try to get her to meet up later or next week for drinks. The number close is implied at that point. If she's hesitant tell her to "bring a friend" and "it'll be fun".

Post: #11

Only 4 girls have called me first after getting my number. Only banged 2 of them. Only 1 did the work while I sat around playing hard to get.

There is no one way to do anything. This approach would be limiting as hell though.

This Tariq dude talks a lot, but has anyone SEEN anything from him. Anyone can talk game theory, but as a coach of the "Mack's" there should be something besides books, right? People can say what they want about the other PUA's, but at least there's some kind of footage to judge from. I wanna see Tariq at least GIVE his number out. lol

Post: #12

Always get their number on the spot, some way some how. A lady taking your number is a perfect way out of not texting you. Now you ask, why would I even want her number if she would not text me if she had mine? Well because say you meet a girl at a night club chances are, she is going to forget whatever chemistry you built up with her and write you off as a chore. If you met her in the day you may fair better as the experience will stick with her, but why even risk it?

The point of getting her number is to ensure the chase is not over even before it started. Getting her number allows you to put your skills to work and spit game. Your ability to text her gives you the ability to remind her what chemistry you guys had with a spontaneous first text, which will help you get through the door. If you want to put the ball in her court, do it on your terms.

Post: #13

Girls will call you. You just won't be that happy with the quality. A European girl is more likely to call you than an American. If she's really into you or you can demo some serious value she will call but other than that I wouldn't hold my breath. I have a feeling Mack here is rolling around the hood in his caddy handing out business cards.

Post: #14

(03-03-2013 08:41 PM)MidWest Wrote:  After having a few approaches under my belt and asking for girl's numbers I came across Tariq Nasheed's technique on numbers and he does the exact opposite, He gives girls his number instead.

The Standard Narrative is the guy taking the girl's number, and him having to call her. Then she can be selective. "Does he impress me?" That's a bad spot for the guy, and why there's extra rules like 'wait three days' hoping she responds.

Quote:Ive never tried it but if someone has, let me know what your results were.

I have tried, but not much. One example:

Recently, when I was in a bar pretty drunk, I saw this girl and pushed for it aggressively. We made out.

I didn't ask for her number and I didn't give mine. Instead, I gave her my name to add me on Facebook.

Result: She added me and sent me a message. I said we should meet up the next day, and retracted that the minute I found out that the next day it was Valentine's Day. "Haha, okay, had a house party anyway."

Completely forgot about her. Then, a week later, she messages me, asking if I've forgotten about her. We'll meet up soon.

Quote:His argument is basically that as a "Mack" you should never do the chasing but let the girl chase you instead. If she calls you, you know shes interested and if she doesnt well then she wasnt interested.

Agreed. Chemistry is more important than we realize. When she wants you, she wants you. Game is to seal the deal, and to get the doubters to want you as well.

This method only works when you don't care about her, but it does establish her as the chaser and in any scenario saves you time.

Quote:You let her do all the work.

I wish. You just let her decide whether she wants you or not, before investing more time in her. If she does initiate(the example girl sent a small, contextual message) you still have to do the work. But at least you know she wants the dick if you don't fuck it up.

Quote:He also gives the idea of having business cards.

I would disagree. That frames you as a provider. She can find out you're successful after you've fucked. She should fuck you for the tingle, not the dollar.

Post: #15

(03-04-2013 12:03 AM)MrXY Wrote:  "Put my number in your phone!"

Can't go wrong with the classics

Post: #16

I will say this, when I have given out my AND the girl has actually followed up on it the following meet has been very positive. They are basically qualifying themselves very early.

Still I don't recommend It, giving away too much control.

Post: #17

(03-03-2013 10:29 PM)TexasMade Wrote:  Women are stupid. When I was at the university I would get numbers like it was nothing. My conversion rate wasnt good. After I built my team up, I stopped getting numbers. A waste of time to me. I started giving my number out and tell them hit me up when your down to chill. If they did, it was easier to smash those than getting the number and sending text.

To each his own but I give women three tries to respond the way I want. If they don't, I delete.

I hear you on this and I say that the OP's/Tariq's advice he learned is more old school but I do find it can work at times. My homies older brother did this because he has a main GF and did not want numbers clogging up his phone. Girls would hit him up, cut out a lot of clutter as it was streamlined for him. For me I am pushing the lady to do things right off the bat as there have been times I have just giving the girl my number, and since I have a very good simple name that is unique it always sticks out in their phone. And yes each time they contacted me I knew they were 100% down and got a bang or something out of it... but this was rare though. They would hit me up about my name and how much they love it, or hit me up about a story I was telling and wanting to know more. If your doing this enough and playing that numbers game of ratio/%'s then I can see how patterns can start to emerge. You have to get the volume though, I don't use cards but I see how dudes can fall in that trap just tossing them out like mints in a dish.

I like what he is saying as he is pushing for abundance because their is no way this is going to work unless 100+ women have your card/number. You still have to approach and game these women so from what Tariq is saying it make sense and leaves you more time to approach more since only interesting girls will hit you up. No monkey chasing via the dude leading things off and it make's her neck sweat a bit.

She can give out her number to 20 dudes in a night and let her 'gina tingle from all the attention the she gets the next few days OR 20 dudes can give her their cards and she is forced to start interactions with the dudes whom she favoured the most. She isn't going to hit up the 20, probably not even 5, but maybe the 3 whom left the best impression on her and if your game is tight then you will be one of them.

Post: #18

The thing about it is that women can be gamed. They can have a low level of interest in you and can start liking you more if you game them right. This opportunity is forfeited when you give her your number and wait for her to call you. Your depending solely on her being highly attracted to you from the jump, enough to the point that she will call you first. This will more than likely only work on average females that don't have a lot of options. Upper echelon females get enough attention to where it's much harder to pique their interests. It's harder to win them over to the point where they will call you first.

I rather take my chances with getting their number and doing the pursuing.

Post: #19

It seems like a pretty easy thing to test. Take half the girls you're number closing and give them your number and take half and take their number. Then look at actual bang conversion rates.

Post: #20

Never give her your number. Maybe online you can tell her to text you when she gets the message.

Post: #21

The prettier the girl, the more dudes are chasing her and the less likely she will ever call you. Your lucky to get a really pretty girl to regularly initiate calls once you have established some type of relationship with her, much less when you have nothing established with her.

Plus, girls can be gamed. Even if their lukewarm about you, good game can raise their interest level. You forfeit this opportunity when put the ball in her court and tell her to call you. Most wont. And the few that will wont be that attractive.

Id take my chances on getting her number.

Post: #22

It really depends on lots of factors. Most importantly it depends on how hot she is and her level of interest.

I have had success with giving her my number.