Post: #1

I have spent years analyzing this. I have obsessed about this. I hate nothing more than putting in hours and hours of work to get a girl only to find out she sucks in bed. So over the years I have looked back on the girls that have been good and look for the common traits they all seem to share. Now, when I detect these same traits in a new girl, I get excited! I don't find them that often, if I did, all of this work (Gaming) would truly be worth it. So, what are these traits I look for to tell me if a girl will be a decent in the sack:

1. She likes to be touched and response to it. This is the most important one! When I touch her in a semi-intimate way I want to feel a little bit of excitement from her. This lets me know she not only likes to be touched but more importantly she doesn't mind me doing the touching. At some point she should also be touching me back.

2. She is reasonably confident about her body and herself. She doesn't have to be beautiful. She may not she's not but she also knows she has a decent body and men find it attractive. She has has self image issues, no good.

3. She's reasonably intelligent. I've never had great sex with a dumb girl. Again she doesn't have to be a rocket scientist but you should be able to have a decent conversation with her.

4. She maintains eye contact. When you give her that sexual look she doesn't look away. I have found that anytime a girl can't look at me directly that there is some problem that's going to pop up down the line.

5. She's a giver. She doesn't just stand there and let you do everything. She also gives back. When you kiss her, she kisses you back. I don't expect much but 10 - 20% is good enough.

As little as these requirements appears to be. If I find a girl that meets most of them I would bet serious money that she's going to be good and I've yet to be proven wrong!

PS Last Tuesday I was out with girl on 2nd date. The date itself would make an hilarious story but I don't want to get side track here. I took her back to my brother's empty house as planned EVEN though she didn't meet most of the points above. Sure enough we got there, she sat down on the couch, took out her iPhone and started texting and playing video games. She just keep on doing it while I tried to get her excited. I understood she was nervous and was just trying to do something to keep herself distracted and I knew that if I had pushed it I would have gotten the bang. But I also knew she had body issues, think she's fat. Ultimately the bang was aborted and I called it night. I had given her more than enough chances to show me she would have been even a little bit worth it but she never did. She's a very cool girl, cool to hang out with, but she is not going to be good in sack. (She was 23 and for guys that like a nice, big, round ass and tits she is to die for.)

Post: #2

Addendum: there is a BIG difference between a girl allowing you to have sex with her and actually contributing to the act. When a girl just allows you to have to sex with her it's like dancing with a girl that either doesn't know how to dance or worse, doesn't really want to.

Post: #3

I look at her ass, face, legs, and tits.

Post: #4

OP. nice list. Also from her walk I think you can sort of tell if she is comfortable with her body. Some girls walk like robots, very stiff with no swaying. They are not enjoying the feeling of their body moviing.

Also girls that are giggly with flashing shiny eyes-- but not giggly in a defensive, mocking way. Just happy to be alive.

That physical energy is the same physical energy that will come out during sex.

Post: #5

She is a good kisser/dancer

Post: #6

When a girl grabs my dick or pulls it out while were messing around.

If she takes her clothes off without me saying anything.

Post: #7

When she gets excited when my hand's on her neck when we kiss.

Post: #8

Start testing/building compliance early.

Make stories up/roleplay in conversation about how you are her new owner and she is your slave. Or, make up a bet. Something like "Hey I bet that you can't lift that car up! You lose. Now you have to do whatever I say." Stupid things like that you throw in. If the girl starts playing a long, chances are she's going to be fun, and even if she's terrible in bed, if she follows your lead in stuff and will try new things, you can get her up to speed.

One word of warning that I learned from terrible experience. If she mentions feminism, or anything, "Being degrading to women" or asks "Why is chivalry dead nowadays" chances are your experience is not going to be good in or out of the bedroom.

Post: #9

Ah, excellent thread. Probably spent too much time thinking about this myself over the years. Unfortunately 8/10 women are fairly poor in the sack if you don't train them (this is of course is ultimately down to your own preference/experience however).

Few of my own observations (none of which are telling on their own but I've found this accurate in accumulation), I'll leave out the obvious and get straight to the funky

1. Foodies. Yeah, women that love food. This doesn't mean they have to be obese. But just women that enjoy their food and indulge in it. In particular fruit and fruit juices, exotic fruit. Being able to indulge and not caring is a major indicator to me.

2. Opposed to that: Women that don't drink coffee. Possibly a freaky conicidence but the 3 best shags I've had in my life... none of them drank coffee regularly, and 2 of them hated chocolate and the third wasn't too fond either. I think coffee just makes (light-weight) women nervous. If I meet a woman nowadays who mentions she doesn't drink coffee I straight away start paying more attention.

3. Women that don't get on well with their own mother. (no idea... maybe daughter being very sexual in adolescence is a threat to the mother and causes tension between the two of them?)

4. Women that exercise regularly, doesn't matter what exercise, running, swimming, aerobic, as long as it involves enjoying exertion, sweating and getting flushed. Pretty obvious this I'd say. Sex is about getting down and dirty.

5. Women that are quick to enter a competition and show playful ambition to compete and win at games.

6. Women that willfully make sexy or silly poses when you tell them to pose for a picture. It's a comfort/confidence thing.

7. The women I know who tend to get really angry have a stronger sex drive (maybe more testosterone?).

8. Last two are probably not very useful, but if you see little kids flock to a woman even though she's making no effort to gain their attention I swear she's great in the sack. Same applies to

9. Pets that are overly excited about a woman who herself is not very interested in the pet. If your dog is humping a womans leg or constantly trying to get in their lap you know what to do. Best sex of my life was with a woman who would randomly get jizzed on by animals. It happened with a bunny, a koala and once even with a seacucumber. Animals can smell a good time.

Stay away from :

Germaphobes, women that don't find at least the look of babies cute (fear of sex), vegetarians, women that spent too much time ornamenting themselves (too much jewellery = defensive mechanism, repressed sexuality, trying to cover up).

Post: #10

(03-07-2013 06:28 AM)Irishman Wrote:  She is a good kisser/dancer

How well she dances is the oldest "tell" in the world. (For the most part. Good dancer/good lay and bad dancer/bad lay correlation has been pretty high in my personal experience.)


And by dance, I mean with a partner, one on one. Not bopping her head with her silly drunk girlfriends.

Post: #11

A confident and vivacious personality, as someone alluded to above. If she has no problem touching, doing silly things in public, speaking her mind (not in a combative, feminist way but in an uninhibited way) and is "high energy." She might not be a kinky pornstar, but will probably be far from the docile girl who just lays there and makes you do all the work.

Also, looks. 6s-7s seem to be the sweet spot. Pretty enough to easily pass the boner test, but not so gorgeous that they're as accustomed to having men worship the ground they stand on, and make up for it by actually attempting to be good in bed.

Post: #12

(03-07-2013 06:07 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  OP. nice list. Also from her walk I think you can sort of tell if she is comfortable with her body. Some girls walk like robots, very stiff with no swaying. They are not enjoying the feeling of their body moviing.

Also girls that are giggly with flashing shiny eyes-- but not giggly in a defensive, mocking way. Just happy to be alive.

That physical energy is the same physical energy that will come out during sex.

Outside of a club situation, this has always been the single biggest tell for me. A girl who walks stiffly, like a robot, will fuck stiffly, like a robot. A girl who walks with grace, elegance and fluidity will be one who has skills.

(03-07-2013 02:59 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  3. She's reasonably intelligent. I've never had great sex with a dumb girl. Again she doesn't have to be a rocket scientist but you should be able to have a decent conversation with her.

Co-signed. I'll also add that intelligence certainly comes with a little bit of curiosity, which is healthy, and often leads to a desire to try new things. All of the dumber chicks I know and have banged were not so much 'dumb' as they were ignorant (and all of the best lays I've had were with girls that had a decent amount of smarts).

My additions indicate a girl likely to be good in bed, but also that a girl that is the opposite of them will likely be bad in bed:

1) She drinks but not to excess - Girls who go out and get shit-hammered every Friday and Saturday (in addition to happy hours and pounding out a bottle of wine one or two nights a week) are almost certainly carrying enough baggage for a skycab; they can be either insane in bed or almost fearful of the act. If she drinks a lot because she likes to party, well I hope you enjoy a starfish with a notch count nearing the triple digits (I do not). A girl who drinks on occasion isn't a prude, but she likes to have fun.

2) She is genuinely happy - A girl that's happy wants to enjoy every minute of her life, and getting fucked right and taking care of her man makes her happy (can't help but see that happiness among Western women is at record lows, and they are declining in quality across the board). If you have trained your eyes and ears well and talked to enough women, you'll discover that they can try as hard as they want, but women cannot fake being happy when they're miserable.

3) Curiosity - She has interests beyond her area of study, what her job requires or typical 'mainstream' interests of Western women (celebrities, Apple products, celebrities, fashion, wine, celebrities). She desires new experiences and someone to show them to her.

4) A spirited personality - Careful girls; the difference between 'spirited' and 'pushy', 'opinionated', 'arrogant' and 'grating' isn't as big as you think it is...she's got a little bit of fight in her and has no problem holding her own and speaking her mind, but she doesn't base her identity on how many people she can, without solicitation, foist her worldview on today, and she understands that there's more to winning an argument than getting the last word in.

5) She 'feels' things really deeply - Touched on with the foodies comment (a valid point), but also if she's the type who can lose herself in a book, in music, or a play (downside: applies to drama as well), she'll probably be a good lay.

6) As has been said, attractive without being very attractive is good, but... - Anyone ever banged a girl that wasn't hot in high school but transformed after one or two years away at uni? Hot girl face and body, plain girl personality, it is awesome.

7) Perhaps the biggest point; she has to actually enjoy sex - Whether or not you can discern this by looking at her or she flat tells you (as girls in the West are noted to do, which I personally could take or leave) is up to you, but it's the bedrock of the issue; no woman in history has ever worked hard at improving something she didn't like to do in the first place.

A lot of these points are valid and legit; you generally want a girl who enjoys life and has minimal hangups, but at the same time it's like Christmas; until you unwrap it, you don't really know what you're going to get.

Post: #13

(03-07-2013 06:07 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  OP. nice list. Also from her walk I think you can sort of tell if she is comfortable with her body. Some girls walk like robots, very stiff with no swaying. They are not enjoying the feeling of their body moviing.

Also girls that are giggly with flashing shiny eyes-- but not giggly in a defensive, mocking way. Just happy to be alive.

That physical energy is the same physical energy that will come out during sex.

I agree. Good point.

Post: #14

(03-07-2013 05:30 AM)soup Wrote:  I look at her ass, face, legs, and tits.

Would be cheap to just buy the shit then.

Post: #15

(03-07-2013 06:28 AM)Irishman Wrote:  She is a good kisser/dancer

Definitely agree.

Post: #16

(03-07-2013 12:16 PM)Ovid Wrote:  A confident and vivacious personality, as someone alluded to above. If she has no problem touching, doing silly things in public, speaking her mind (not in a combative, feminist way but in an uninhibited way) and is "high energy." She might not be a kinky pornstar, but will probably be far from the docile girl who just lays there and makes you do all the work.

Also, looks. 6s-7s seem to be the sweet spot. Pretty enough to easily pass the boner test, but not so gorgeous that they're as accustomed to having men worship the ground they stand on, and make up for it by actually attempting to be good in bed.

I have also found this to be true. A beautiful girl knows she doesn't have to be good in bed but sometimes you can find them. One of the best freak I ever had was a model and a solid 9. But in general this will not be the case - she was an exception.

Post: #17

All in all, you guys have really contributed some good stuff here. Thanks. Will certainly add them to my list and keep them in mind.

Post: #18

My comments (whether I agree, disagree, or am neutral) are in BOLD below.

(03-07-2013 02:59 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  So, what are these traits I look for to tell me if a girl will be a decent in the sack:

1. She likes to be touched and response to it. This is the most important one! When I touch her in a semi-intimate way I want to feel a little bit of excitement from her. This lets me know she not only likes to be touched but more importantly she doesn't mind me doing the touching. At some point she should also be touching me back. - AGREE

2. She is reasonably confident about her body and herself. She doesn't have to be beautiful. She may not she's not but she also knows she has a decent body and men find it attractive. She has has self image issues, no good. - AGREE - Girls with serious body hangups SUCK. I had a girl who would NOT let me take her bra off even though there was nothing wrong with her tits (other than being small).

3. She's reasonably intelligent. I've never had great sex with a dumb girl. Again she doesn't have to be a rocket scientist but you should be able to have a decent conversation with her. - DEFINITELY AGREE - But this is with the caveat that I find intelligent girls much more attractive. The better mental connection I have with a girl, the more exciting the sex is.

4. She maintains eye contact. When you give her that sexual look she doesn't look away. I have found that anytime a girl can't look at me directly that there is some problem that's going to pop up down the line.

5. She's a giver. She doesn't just stand there and let you do everything. She also gives back. When you kiss her, she kisses you back. I don't expect much but 10 - 20% is good enough. - AGREE - I like to lead, but if I have to do all the work, I know she's not going to be any good in bed.

(03-07-2013 01:14 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  1) She drinks but not to excess - - NEUTRAL - Haven't really noticed either way, but at the same time I rarely date girls that would drink to excess. I prefer my girls a little classier.

2) She is genuinely happy - HUGELY AGREE - I think a girl that is happy generally has lower inhibitions, even if she's shy you can lead her and she will follow.

3) Curiosity - AGREE - I'd put this together with Imagination

4) A spirited personality - NEUTRAL

5) She 'feels' things really deeply - AGREE - Although my experience has been that it's more her ability to use her imagination.

6) As has been said, attractive without being very attractive is good, but... - AGREE - Had a couple late bloomers, ugly ducklings, it's a good thing in general.

7) Perhaps the biggest point; she has to actually enjoy sex - AGREE

(03-07-2013 06:07 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Also from her walk I think you can sort of tell if she is comfortable with her body. Some girls walk like robots, very stiff with no swaying. They are not enjoying the feeling of their body moviing. - AGREE

(03-07-2013 06:28 AM)Irishman Wrote:  She is a good kisser/dancer - AGREE - If a girl is good at both of these, then you know she's sensual and that matters a ton.

(03-07-2013 08:13 AM)sixsix Wrote:  When she gets excited when my hand's on her neck when we kiss. - AGREE - Adding to the above, if a girl gets really turned on when I touch her gently, especially the neck/back while I'm kissing her, I know that she's sensual and will be good in the sack.

(03-07-2013 08:47 AM)Travelsick Wrote:  Few of my own observations (none of which are telling on their own but I've found this accurate in accumulation), I'll leave out the obvious and get straight to the funky

4. Women that exercise regularly, doesn't matter what exercise, running, swimming, aerobic, as long as it involves enjoying exertion, sweating and getting flushed. Pretty obvious this I'd say. Sex is about getting down and dirty. - AGREE - This goes again with the idea that women who are in touch with their bodies will be better in bed. Additionally, women in shape have better muscle tone that they can use to get you off. They'll generally be tighter and can grip your dick better.

5. Women that are quick to enter a competition and show playful ambition to compete and win at games. - AGREE - Women that have this attitude are still youthful, don't have as many hangups as those bitter women out there, translates to better in bed.

Post: #19

I can't tell what makes a good bang but in my experience the raunchier a girl dances the worse she is in bed, more often than not.

Post: #20

If she is crazy she will be a good fuck

Post: #21

She sucks dick like a champ.

Post: #22

I just look for saggy tits and a dry hoarse smoker's voice.
Chances are she's seen a few cocks

Post: #23

(03-07-2013 01:51 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:30 AM)soup Wrote:  I look at her ass, face, legs, and tits.

Would be cheap to just buy the shit then.

Getting good at game is buying pussy.

Post: #24

Your basically just describing nerds whom more times then not a steam-pots ready to burst. My most energetic bangs have always been from girls whom were kinda nerdy whom simply just need a guy to feed the needs she already had.

I like more concrete factors that I can visually SEE and then go for. For me with a not healthy super high sex drive I can fucking smell when a female is down for the D. So weird things like skin glow, hair, the type of clothing she is wearing, her face composition (denser chin), arm hair, can give me clues to if a girl is a energetic skank. Once I screen for visual features I will use things like what has been described above to help out the sniffin'.

The Eyes and touch are big. That's all I really need to know, their is that intense look a female will give that I can't really explain but all I know is that I feel it in my balls and the back of the brain when she does it. When she does that look its 100% down unless some shit fucks it up. Sometimes I try to bait women into this but I feel like a creep sometimes because some girls are so off the rails that they won't give you the look back and will brush away their head very quickly out of shyness, or kinda of pause for a bit and internalize a type of "wtf" type thing.

Touch like the OP notes it should feel like the passing of your energy is going into her and giving her a jolt. That feeling of touching her in a sensual way her vibrating from it and then giving off a type of movement in response is big. I would say you can't confuse this with a girl simply just letting you be open with body. A girl letting you caress her soft spots and tits is just a girl whom just does not give a shit, or is loose. There is a big difference when the energy dynamics at play are crossed, you can feel it when it happens, its more then simple sensual sexual type shit its above that.

Dancing is a good clue but not so much, their are tons of Black and White girls whom are sexy and twerk your dick down to its bone on a dance floor but will be worthless dead fish in bed. I think there is a threshold that ideally makes women more fluid and loose with their bodies but I can say for myself its a absolute metric as I grew up dancing all my life. I would say that women whom seek out the romantic dances are really big on deep and sensual love (in their heads) but always are down and dirty in bed. I have not done of those classes but many of the old whores I used to mess around with always will bring up how they are in a Salsa class or something.

As you can tell though I am all about energy and vibes - It is something I am trying to learn more about lately.