Post: #1

So recently, I lost my dog. He was my best friend. To some people that may sound crazy and to others perfectly normal. When I'm feeling down about something, I start reading. Somehow I came across the subject of near-death experiences.

Now, I have always been a skeptic. I believed in spirituality rather than a religion. I know, as a human being, I have a limited capacity for what I am capable of understanding. The more I read, the more fascinated i started to become. There were three specific cases that had a greater impact on me (there are thousands of documented cases).

The first case was of a woman who had a tumor, deep inside her brain. It was almost by her neck. Even though it was so deep in her head, they access it through the top of the skull. Her body was cooled to a certain temperature. Her blood was drained from her body. All brain activity was gone. For 90 minutes (if memory serves) she was absolutely clinically dead under the tightest monitoring by doctors and surgeons. Despite that, she was able to give details about the room, the surgery and certain things that went on. She also passed to another existence. http://youtu.be/mHmo4bREd7M check it out, it's pretty amazing. This woman should not be alive but she is and she is healthy.

Case number 2 was an actual harvard educated neurosurgeon. His beliefs were all naturally based on science. He developed a rare form of menengitis. This is basically a bacteria that was eating his brain causing it to shut down. His frontal cortex was "deactivated". I can not do the story justice so please check it out.. http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/20...rlife.html

The 3rd case was of a young boy. It's a book. This is the link for the review http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/20...-for-real/ the guy who wrote this review is naturally very skeptical. This kid came back knowing things that he should have no idea about. Some pretty crazy stuff.

There's also another one that is particularly amazing but I am looking for the link so ill save it for later.

The thing is, out of the hundreds of these things that I read...they are all similar yet they are all different. I believe that we cannot comprehend the greater existence that is beyond our own. How could we? It is like the fish in a fishbowl on your kitchen table. His entire existence is your kitchen. How can he comprehend anything else? There is a greater existence that we can not understand and knowing this opens our minds that much more. To know that we can not fully understand is to let our minds and consciousness expand and learn. I think that we take ourselves too seriously here. The things we worry about are meaningless. It is all much more simple than we make it.

Thoughts?

Post: #2

All I will say on the matter, as I really don't want to go off on one, is that I believe there's a certain "energy" in the universe that we feel subconsciously that science can't explain. Things like having a good or bad feeling about something, projecting ideas into the world using the power of thought and then those ideas and thoughts manifesting into reality, the law of attraction, karma, natural instinct, etc.

I was in a car accident in 2009 and the girl sitting next to me in the back of the car was flung straight out of the back window. When we all got out of the car, she was laying in a heap 30-40 yards away motionless. 3 others all panicked and one rushed over to her to see but I stood next to the car for maybe 3 seconds just looking and a voice came into my head and just said "she's fine. Go to the road". So I did, and I lit up my phone and started waving it to get the attention of passing cars (this was a single carriageway in the middle of the countryside, no street lights). Within 2 minutes, about 15 cars had pulled up and 3 of them, in 3 separate cars, just happened to be off duty paramedics with their equipment in their cars. I can't explain that voice in my head, or the feeling of knowing to go to the road to flag the cars down, or the likelihood of the 3 paramedics turning up like that, or how I knew the girl was fine (she'd broken her collar bone, arm, cracked a couple of ribs, took a nasty blow to her head and was in intensive care overnight but she was back at work 10 days later), but the whole thing I was acting off of a different force that I just can't explain.

Also, my grandfather told me a story about when his mum died. He said he was in the kitchen making lunch at his house when all of a sudden a really bad feeling came over him, he became depressed and empty. He then got a call not long after saying that his mum had died. She lived over 100 miles away from him. I don't know how you can explain that.

I think something happens when we die. Our bodies will cease to exist but some other part of us lives on. I'm gonna read those links you've put up now.

Post: #3

That's fascinating man. I'm glad she was ok.

Post: #4

i feel like this already came up a while ago

Post: #5

I searched and did not see anything. Sorry if that is the case. Link it.

Post: #6

You remember what things were like before you were born, or for that matter, when you're blackout drunk? That's what it's like when you die.

I don't like shitting on parades, but that's really the best guess out there if you have neither faith nor religion.

Ten bucks says that this thread will have "carpe diem" or "you only live once" in it.

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Post: #8

(05-09-2013 09:01 AM)clever alias Wrote:  /thread-8914.html#pid383309

Thank you

Post: #9

The first link looks genuine and had me thinking, the second sounds like a marketing ploy full of bullshit about riding on butterfly wings, and the third the kid wasn't even dead so it doesn't have much credit since the other two stories mention brain activity creating illusions and such when it is close to shutting down. Anyone who writes about that kind of stuff for monetary gain is questionable.

As I said, first one on the face of it is interesting, the other two bullshit.

Post: #10

(05-09-2013 08:59 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  You remember what things were like before you were born, or for that matter, when you're blackout drunk? That's what it's like when you die.

I don't like shitting on parades, but that's really the best guess out there if you have neither faith nor religion.

Ten bucks says that this thread will have "carpe diem" or "you only live once" in it.

I get that. That is probably the most common assumption. Don't you think there is too much out there that can't be explained?

Post: #11

(05-09-2013 09:01 AM)clever alias Wrote:  /thread-8914.html#pid383309

Thanks again man....after reading some, that's exactly what I was looking for.

Reply there if anyone has anything to say. Lock this one up. Sorry about that.

Post: #12

I think the beauty of death is only magnified by science. I believe when you die you die. You lose consciousness and have no recollection of your death. You body then decomposes to give back to the earth that gave you life in the first place. Your atoms and molecules are broken down and used by other living organisms, and in a metaphorical way providing you with life after death

Post: #13

(05-09-2013 09:05 AM)Weebs Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 08:59 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  You remember what things were like before you were born, or for that matter, when you're blackout drunk? That's what it's like when you die.

I don't like shitting on parades, but that's really the best guess out there if you have neither faith nor religion.

Ten bucks says that this thread will have "carpe diem" or "you only live once" in it.

I get that. That is probably the most common assumption. Don't you think there is too much out there that can't be explained?

I definitely think there's a lot science can't explain. Some thing we'll never be able to explain. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with not knowing how the universe cam about. But I don't think it necessarily means the default explanation has to be something spiritual. I have a pet peeve with having God be the default answer, despite the fact that every other explanation undergoes scrutiny, but somehow people think it's OK to say: 'Science can't tell what created the universe. So it must be God.'

I've read some popular science books and I've come to the realization just how magnificent the world and really the universe is...and just how insignificant our existence truly is. To believe there is something beyond death is in my opinion wishful thinking and in some cases (esp. religious explanations) downright arrogant.

Going a bit off-topic maybe...I used to be religious and it did provide a level of certainty. However I find realizing death is the ultimate endgame to be liberating and it made me appreciate life more.

Post: #14

What happens when you die:

Anybody who has cared about you will probably suffer.

People who hated you will most likely rejoice.

Anyone who depended on you will have to find a different way to keep going.

Unless you are famous, you will probably be forgotten by the majority of society.

Unless there is an apocalypse, there will be many generations after you of girls with increasingly more attractive inborn females traits that you will never get to bang.

If you die anytime soon, you will miss out on the great spectacle that will be the destruction of the earth.

Post: #15

(05-09-2013 09:01 AM)clever alias Wrote:  /thread-8914.html#pid383309

Do not get me wrong, I am more interested in the subconscious aspect of it all. To some people that may be god. To others like me it is just trying to think about the fact that we do not know everything and trying to imagine that there may be a bigger meaning. It's hard to put into words. I am not a religious person. I do not go to church but anyone who does, good for you. Everyone does what works for them.

Anyways, thanks for the reply.

Please continue this discussion with the link above.

Post: #16

Funny, as a young pup i would close my eyes going pass cemeteries but now as an old dog i fear pain more than death.