Post: #1

I am considering relocating to Cambodia for a year or so but I am questioning the female situation there.

Some of the benefits:

Cambodia is a rising country where foreingers can get a simple business visa(which you allows you to work or start a business) without leaving the country for under 300 dollars a year.

The cost of living is very low even for the SEA region where 200 dollars gets you a nice central furnished apartment and many places sell 50 cent beers and 1 or 2 dollar entrees.

Many young foreigners living there which is great because compared to other countries in Asia like the Philippines the local expat community is older retirees.

The unknown; the women:

I reviewed the previous posts on Cambodia and have a difficult time making sense of this place for getting laid. Most of the posters here that had commented on Cambodia suggest that its very poor and conservative and felt you are either paying bar fines or fucking bar girls for free.

I will likely live in Phnom Penh and I want to know without knowing the local language or hooking up with working girls how does an RVFer get it in there?

Post: #2

This guy lived in PP for a few months, lots of good insights:
http//www.cedonulli.com

Post: #3

Quote:the real challenge is that the non-entertainment girls are shy. my foreigner face, and they probably only speak a few words in english. a lot of very casual approaching is workable, a little ‘sok sabai’ (how are you) to just get a vibe. not even game, just ‘hi’.
from there, by trial and error, i found that keeping it simple is the way to go:
‘where are you going?’
got this one from the local guys. they do it, so it’s not a far fetched thing for a girl to hear. felt weird using that at first, but they are inquisitive anyway. everybody is constantly asking what you had for lunch and if you’ve showered yet and … where are you going?
‘can i come with you?’
also sounds ridiculous. i tried a hundred other things though, coming to realize that it’s all over-engineered. she either is open to hang, or she’s not. she’ll talk to the foreigner, or she won’t. she’s too shy, or she’s not. wit, indirect game, all that stuff, totally wasted energy. or, also:
‘want to go for a walk?’
in other places i’d never make questions out of approaches. but here, lowest effort, it’s just working better. it’s a yes or a no. if she hesitates, i point to the wat (temples pretty much everywhere), say that i want to go look at it. it’s visible, it’s close by, non threatening. it’s yes or no. whatever. thirty times a day, some cute thing will be possibly down.
all that makes me wonder how much i over-thought things elsewhere. it’s starting to feel natural. ’where are you going?’ a lot of it is in the delivery. you say it 200 times, it loses any hesitation or self consciousness. it’s just a question. empty, without meaning, like exhaling a breath. it’s kind of awesome, really. taking the whole ‘game’ thing to full zero. if you’ve been into pickup, you might really appreciate the zen of this. no forced smiles, no poker face, no nothing – just … ‘where are you going?’
she might ignore me, or look confused, or just tell where she’s going. you have to try it a hundred times at least, see it work a few times, to start to trust it. like the first thousand punches to a sandbag. they’re consecutively a little less awkward. eventually, flawless. just air compressing invisibly around your fist, the satisfying impact with the bag. like so much inevitability.
you guys in the west, try this out for me. it does sound odd, but we shouldn’t rule out things just based on untested assumption.
also, getting to know the female mom shop keepers is gold. lately they’re constantly offering to find me girlfriends. and single girls in my part of town aren’t 25. or 23. more like 19. and toned, tanned, graceful, a youth spent working the rice fields.

http://www.cedonulli.com/finding-new-zen...-cambodia/

Quote:What we’re working with … most of Cambodia is rural. So in 90% of the country, a girl will tend to a rice field. No money there. Maybe $30 a month. Up a step from there, one of the countless factories. Tens of thousands of girls work in those. Maybe… $60 to $80 a month. Up from there, the girls whose families can afford to pay for school. Here, the air gets thin. Here we get into $120 to $200 a month, working in banks, customer service, hotel management, tourism, whatever.
The girls who didn’t stay on the family farm and ended up in the capital, might work in a beergarden as on site hostess. Or in a coffee shop, or a little local restaurant. Again, maybe $50 a month, maybe $80. A place to stay on site sometimes, free food maybe. From there, and various other ways, some filter into banging some locals. $10, maybe $20, maybe even $50 if she works in an upscale local KTV. Once the girl isn’t a virgin anymore, she’s out of the traditional culture. It’s a big step, a lot of families are absolutely not down with that.
Keep in mind, this is coming from me, after three months here. It’s a limited one-man’s view.
So the gateway cock in most cases, is local. She might stay with that, if she’s attractive, has some family attachment, a reasonably socially integrated peer group. The foreigner is another big flush further down in this particular drain.
Of course none of this is entirely true and accurate. There are as many variations as with anything in human nature and society. Girls who straddle that cultural divide, with Western friends. Students who go abroad. Whatever.
The girls that go down the drain usually don’t have good family relations. Their friends are already in that thing. It’s easy to do, if you share a $90 a month room with four other girls, and three of them work in expensive restaurants, get exposed to Westerners. So much like feeding a feral dog, till it starts to get less skittish about humans. And at some point, dropping cultural integration for one’s own immediate need just makes sense.
Long story, short point. By the time a middle aged, grizzled expat sees a Cambodian girl, in 98% of cases, she’s been chewed up and spit out by every other level of society. Family was fucked up. School didn’t happen. Friends were bad influence. Failed marriage, single motherhood, taking to some paid sex venues with locals. Down, down, down. By the time this girl is 30 and the fresh-from-boat semi retired Australian dude meets her, … yikes.

http://www.cedonulli.com/divergent-reali...girl-bits/

Quote:the cheapest, cheapest, teen-age-est, desperate-est, girls. if you want to spend five bucks to fuck a seventeen year old hottie with endless legs for a few hours, cambodia. she’ll spend the night to have a place to sleep. feed her some soup, buy her a t-shirt, and she might never want to leave. and she’ll bring her girl friends, too.
i never did the pay-for-sex thing before cambodia. that country, gave me a taste for it.
. . .
nightlife. granted it’s mostly semi-pros and whatnot, but the quality is undeniable, and it’s super fucking cheap. you can go out seven nights a week and barely spend an extra couple hundred a month. that’s only phnom penh of course, but outside of the capital it’s pretty much just cows and huts anyway.

. . .

and of course, girl things. they are shy. and by shy i mean painful. they have zero money, so they don’t go out. you don’t find girls in day game situations. i spent countless hours at the malls, outdoor places, everywhere. if they’re not girls for sale in one form or another (and many, many are), it’s just a no-go. and gaming the good girls is an exercise in absolute hair-pulling. can be done, but the end result isn’t worth it. i had one, she didn’t even know how to kiss. do you want to start at absolute zero? i thought it’d be fun. but it isn’t.

http://www.cedonulli.com/the-cambodia-retrospective/

Quote:At the club, it being Wednesday night and ladies night, it’s about 80% girls. A lot of them freelancers. Hanging out there with my induced high, it’s easy to continue to feel like a rockstar. Girls that are hot, ones that wouldn’t give me the time of day without some serious effort in ‘rich’ countries, grab at me. Want to dance. Want to talk. One of them sees me when I leave, calls my phone, wants me to come back. Another friend who works at a fancy little wine bar down the street asks me to come by for drinks – on her.
. . .
Also, the cultural influence of non-dating, serious marriag-ey and kids-ey lives, that being whitey isn’t actually considered to be good by all. All that aside, I’m wandering around with that awareness that every girl thing is mostly a potential choice to be made by me – not her. That is the reality. In the real world, not one artificially created by government assistance and corporate sponsored reality, man has a role. It includes the responsibility of being able to provide and defend, and the benefit of choosing ones mate(s).

http://www.cedonulli.com/the-upside-of-t...ey-jungle/

Quote:It’s just, you know. It’s really really hard being in a country full of gorgeous, stunning, beautiful girls, being the single guy, being possibly considered as a prize of procreative and not-starving futures. Life is HARD. You think it’s so easy. Stop judging me, dammit.
I buy her some grilled chicken from across the street. She’s so, so happy about it. A place where a piece of chicken elicits genuine joy in a girl’s eye. That’s got to be worth something. A lot maybe, even

http://www.cedonulli.com/language-barriers/

Quote:Roaming around Phnom Penh last night, ran into a little 25 year old freelancer. Sweet little tight looking body. $15 was her price for all night

http://www.cedonulli.com/the-hooker-tour...-cambodia/

Quote:There is a party scene.
It’s not Bangkok but that’s not even a bad thing. The really happening club, no even a cover charge. Drinks are dirt cheap. The music is actually good. Buying a girl onsite is a third cheaper than Bangkok ($10 vs. $30), and the quality is easily on par. Not so much my thing, but it’s handy when the club has that option … in case the mood strikes.
Smart people.
More than a few people speak English. A nice change from Thailand.

. . .
Girls in general, remains to be seen. They’re on average not nearly as sexy as Thai girls. Culturally they still seem to be quite a bit further back in conservative mode. Nobody is fat though, and there are tons of cute things. Much more hardbodies than Thailand. Just not the paradise levels of sexy things in slinky dresses like Bangkok.

http://www.cedonulli.com/why-i-moved-to-cambodia/

Post: #4

I was in PP for four days in April of this year. First night I hit two hiso clubs. It was a tuesday or monday so it wasnt that live. Girls were okay from what I remember. Being black, I didnt get a second look from the hiso girls. I doubt they see too many tourist so idk what was up with them.

There is a datasheet that led ne the right way on the forum. My last three days was sitting in my room killing a liter fo vodka. No day gaming, sightseeing, or mall visits so I couldnt tell you much about the girls. I regret not taking one for the RVF team and collecting updated data. Ended up shoring a working girl next to my hotel. They were in love with me and wanted to know everything about me. Their english was better than the thai working girls for some reason.

I'd say pick three countries if possible and spend three weeks in each before you decide. Have you reserched Vietnam laws and cost of living? Whats up with Loas? Burma/ Mynamar is opening up. Maybe you can do a stay there and see if they are ready for some import/export since it seems you aren't doing the online grind. Burma is a half joke.

In the end if you are about your money just make that move and put the pussy on the backburner. It's SEA and your white so regardless you should find a few university girls that you would like. Build up your rotation with a mix of women and grind out your business.

Post: #5

(05-11-2013 09:08 AM)bacon Wrote:  I am considering relocating to Cambodia for a year or so but I am questioning the female situation there.

I stayed there for around a month, maybe more, recently. To say it succinctly, as a RVFer my conclusion of the country was that it is still so extremely conservative that there is no dating there. There are basically two types of relationships there:

1. arranged marriage, or
2. hookers

Anyone thinking he found a non-pro that will do him in Cambodia is likely kidding himself, he is probably shoring. The non-pro girls were so conservative they would freak out when I touched their hand. Apparently over there it's inappropriate for a man to touch a woman if you are not married. Forget about makeouts. lol

Also, if you think that with a Western standard of living you'll be looking like a baller you'd be wrong. I don't know why, but at least in Phnom Penh there are so many rich westerners in luxury cars and five-star hotels it's unbelievable.

Post: #6

Phnom Penh is really the only place you should consider living, there's nowhere else you can find any sort of nightlife or available women and even in PP it's not that great.

It's mostly P4P nightlife with a handful of 'high end' clubs where the rich locals go but the girls in these places tend to have gangster boyfriends or be with some well off local guy so good luck getting much of a look in. I was in a club once full of well off locals and tried to talk to a girl at the bar who blanked me, the bar tender told me afterwards not to talk to any girls as they could only be here with a man and all the men were people you didn't want to fuck with.

It's the only place in SE Asia I've seen guys quite blatantly carrying hand guns.

There's not much chance to pipeline or run online game as there's no dedicated Cambodian dating sites (or at least there wasn't a couple of years back) and most of the country doesn't have internet access anyway. On the worldwide dating sites there are a couple of girls but nearly all are hookers, had lots of requests for money.

Met one girl from OKCupid who was legit as far as I could tell, definitely not attractive enough to be a hooker and no money was asked for. We hung out a few times over the week but she was a bit weird and annoying.

Even in PP people only earn $80 per month. People are too poor to be out in clubs or partying unless they are making money from it.

Quote:om there, by trial and error, i found that keeping it simple is the way to go:
‘where are you going?’

got this one from the local guys. they do it, so it’s not a far fetched thing for a girl to hear. felt weird using that at first, but they are inquisitive anyway. everybody is constantly asking what you had for lunch and if you’ve showered yet and … where are you going?

"where are you going" is a SE Asian thing...it's like us asking "how are you?" or "whats up". They don't ask it literally as in they don't want to REALLY know where you are going it's just a common greeting / expression with little meaning. A way to make small talk or greet someone basically.

Post: #7

Minus: It's the new Thailand

Plus:

Post: #8

That looks like a minus.

Post: #9

You need to holler at Neil Skywalker about Cambodia. He has a wealth of info about SE Asia in general.

Post: #10

(05-11-2013 10:40 AM)TexasMade Wrote:  I was in PP for four days in April of this year. First night I hit two hiso clubs. It was a tuesday or monday so it wasnt that live. Girls were okay from what I remember. Being black, I didnt get a second look from the hiso girls. I doubt they see too many tourist so idk what was up with them.

There is a datasheet that led ne the right way on the forum. My last three days was sitting in my room killing a liter fo vodka. No day gaming, sightseeing, or mall visits so I couldnt tell you much about the girls. I regret not taking one for the RVF team and collecting updated data. Ended up shoring a working girl next to my hotel. They were in love with me and wanted to know everything about me. Their english was better than the thai working girls for some reason.

I'd say pick three countries if possible and spend three weeks in each before you decide. Have you reserched Vietnam laws and cost of living? Whats up with Loas? Burma/ Mynamar is opening up. Maybe you can do a stay there and see if they are ready for some import/export since it seems you aren't doing the online grind. Burma is a half joke.

In the end if you are about your money just make that move and put the pussy on the backburner. It's SEA and your white so regardless you should find a few university girls that you would like. Build up your rotation with a mix of women and grind out your business.

What clubs did you go to?

I spent two nights there. St. Tropaz and the club inside of the big casino I enjoyed. Didn't spend enough time in PP to really say either way, but I could see myself enjoying living there for a few months. Not sure about a year because I didn't experience enough of the place yet. I was also there during Cambodian New Year, which meant the city was pretty empty, so it was kind of nice. Not much garbage on the streets like I have heard about, and the traffic was minimal. Very calm compared to BKK, though I hear this is not normal, and was probably due to people leaving the city for New Years.

My friend said the city has changed a lot, and a lot of new businesses/building have opened in the past two years since he has been there.

Lots of decent restaurants/bars around the riverside area. We rode a motorbike all over the city and saw quite a few nice looking, Western style restaurants. Ate at a really good Cambodian/Chinese? restaurant.

No idea about girls there as far as ease of hooking up. I had success there, but I don't know if the girl was a semi-pro or what. Had one rich Cambodian girl give us free drinks all night, and drive us home in her car. She called me over to her table to drink, and was semi-warm, but had a fairly shitty attitude. Had other Cambodian girls swarming on her for her free drinks. She said it's always like that since she always buys bottles there.

Had a good connection with another girl at St. Tropaz. Rich business girls. As soon as I tried to dance with her things turned sour. Seemed more conservative than Thai girls. Not sure exactly what the deal was, but the dancing definitely killed it.

Can't comment much on the average quality of girls there as the city was so dead while I was there. Would like to check out PP again and see what it is like on a normal weekend.



EDIT:

Just read Naughty Nomads data sheet. He recommends Pontoon too hook up with sophisticated Cambodian girls. I was only there one night, so maybe I am wrong, but that place is hooker central. There may be some educated girls there, but it is jam packed with whores. It is not an upscale club, even though it does have fairly nice decor. Any club that is 75% young, good looking girls and very few young, good looking guys is not upscale. It's an obvious hooker joint.

"Pontoon

Cool boat bar by the river. A bit more up-scale; a good place to pick up more sophisticated Khmers."

Post: #11

(05-11-2013 10:54 PM)chamele0n Wrote:  That looks like a minus.

You think that girl is a minus?

Post: #12

(05-12-2013 12:11 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(05-11-2013 10:54 PM)chamele0n Wrote:  That looks like a minus.

You think that girl is a minus?

Post: #13

(05-12-2013 02:55 AM)Kabal Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 12:11 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(05-11-2013 10:54 PM)chamele0n Wrote:  That looks like a minus.

You think that girl is a minus?

Wait.... its a man? :0

Post: #14

(05-12-2013 02:59 AM)POHammer Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 02:55 AM)Kabal Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 12:11 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(05-11-2013 10:54 PM)chamele0n Wrote:  That looks like a minus.

You think that girl is a minus?

Wait.... its a man? :0

She doesn't have a great face, but she has a killer body. She's a porn star.

Post: #15

(05-12-2013 03:02 AM)SHANbangs Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 02:59 AM)POHammer Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 02:55 AM)Kabal Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 12:11 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(05-11-2013 10:54 PM)chamele0n Wrote:  That looks like a minus.

You think that girl is a minus?

Wait.... its a man? :0

She doesn't have a great face, but she has a killer body.

That picture certainly doesn't do her any justice then.

Post: #16

This is from Alpha Traveler, who got banned?.

"Anyway spoke to some locals last night and asked about night life. At first they just told me about Heart of Darkness and Pontoon but I said I don't want to hear about those places, tell me somewhere good where Cambodians go. Here's what I found out...

St Tropez (a Cambodian HiSo club where rich girls frolic with politicians, pop and movie stars)
River Houses (mixed tourist and Khmer crowd)
Rock (Normal Cambodian club)
Spark (Normal Cambodian club)
Darling Darling (another HiSo cambodian place)"

The first night I got in town I went to River House and Spark. They both were cool little spots. Everybody had bottle service and I think I ran into some Japanese tourist. The reason why I chose Cambodia was for the casino. I went the next night and was shocked at how high everything was. Blackjack was a 5 dollar min, roulette was the same, plus no poker room. Everybody I was have 3-10 racks in their hand like it was nothing. I had 300 but lost 100 and went back. I saw 5 bad bitch and one actually stared but they were probably pros. I almost went into the club but wasn't feelin it. Motherfuckers were staring at me like I didn't belong. From the dealers, to security, to some players. I don't know the amount of tourist PP gets but I doubt it's high and they didn't seem to have an African population like BKK so they weren't used to seeing a fly black dude haha. I still didn't like that shit so I bounced.

Personally I didn't see the dirtiness everybody was talking about in other threads. The locals seemed cool. I am very interested if you end up pulling the trigger and moving to Cam. It's something about that Cambodian skintone that I love.

Post: #17

TM, there are quite a bit of Nigerians in PP from what my buddy who lived there told me. I saw a few while I was there, so the security probably thought you were Nigerian. I also didn't see the dirtiness like I heard about. My buddy said PP has changed a lot in the past two years.

Darling Darling is the club I mentioned that is inside of the casino.

Post: #18

(05-12-2013 08:27 AM)Alpha Traveler Wrote:  "Anyway spoke to some locals last night and asked about night life. At first they just told me about Heart of Darkness and Pontoon but I said I don't want to hear about those places, tell me somewhere good where Cambodians go. Here's what I found out...

I saw 5 bad bitch and one actually stared but they were probably pros. I almost went into the club but wasn't feelin it. Motherfuckers were staring at me like I didn't belong. From the dealers, to security, to some players. I still didn't like that shit so I bounced.

Personally I didn't see the dirtiness everybody was talking about in other threads.

That just about hit the nail on the head about Cambodia. Everyone stares at you like you don't belong or they try to scam you, treating you like a retard in the process.

Post: #19

(05-12-2013 12:10 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  What clubs did you go to?

I spent two nights there. St. Tropaz and the club inside of the big casino I enjoyed. Didn't spend enough time in PP to really say either way, but I could see myself enjoying living there for a few months. Not sure about a year because I didn't experience enough of the place yet. I was also there during Cambodian New Year, which meant the city was pretty empty, so it was kind of nice. Not much garbage on the streets like I have heard about, and the traffic was minimal. Very calm compared to BKK, though I hear this is not normal, and was probably due to people leaving the city for New Years.

My friend said the city has changed a lot, and a lot of new businesses/building have opened in the past two years since he has been there.

Lots of decent restaurants/bars around the riverside area. We rode a motorbike all over the city and saw quite a few nice looking, Western style restaurants. Ate at a really good Cambodian/Chinese? restaurant.

No idea about girls there as far as ease of hooking up. I had success there, but I don't know if the girl was a semi-pro or what. Had one rich Cambodian girl give us free drinks all night, and drive us home in her car. She called me over to her table to drink, and was semi-warm, but had a fairly shitty attitude. Had other Cambodian girls swarming on her for her free drinks. She said it's always like that since she always buys bottles there.

Had a good connection with another girl at St. Tropaz. Rich business girls. As soon as I tried to dance with her things turned sour. Seemed more conservative than Thai girls. Not sure exactly what the deal was, but the dancing definitely killed it.

Can't comment much on the average quality of girls there as the city was so dead while I was there. Would like to check out PP again and see what it is like on a normal weekend.



EDIT:

Just read Naughty Nomads data sheet. He recommends Pontoon too hook up with sophisticated Cambodian girls. I was only there one night, so maybe I am wrong, but that place is hooker central. There may be some educated girls there, but it is jam packed with whores. It is not an upscale club, even though it does have fairly nice decor. Any club that is 75% young, good looking girls and very few young, good looking guys is not upscale. It's an obvious hooker joint.

"Pontoon

Cool boat bar by the river. A bit more up-scale; a good place to pick up more sophisticated Khmers."

Generally PP isn't anywhere near as crazy or busy as Bangkok even during regular times. Population is 2.2 million compared to BKK's 8 million or more.

Pontoon is a hooker club.

(05-12-2013 10:36 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  TM, there are quite a bit of Nigerians in PP from what my buddy who lived there told me. I saw a few while I was there, so the security probably thought you were Nigerian. I also didn't see the dirtiness like I heard about. My buddy said PP has changed a lot in the past two years.

Darling Darling is the club I mentioned that is inside of the casino.

Yeah there are a lot of Nigerians in PP there's even an African club just off Street 51.

Post: #20

Cambodia is cool but I only fucked hookers there so cant say much about the "regular" girls.
It seemed a pretty conservative country though, even the prostitution was dialled down compared to thailand. You wont see naked chicks dancing on poles there. I was there in 2010 and it was VERY dirty, of course not so much in the tourist spots like on the riverside. But even on the way to the airport ppl were burning rubbish next to the roads and trash was lying around everywhere.

The girl in the picture is lucy thai btw, theres a video with her and her sistery nyla sucking dick on youporn, I mustve watched it a hundred times. Shes half-thai half cambodian.

Post: #21

Quote:The girl in the picture is lucy thai btw, theres a video with her and her sistery nyla sucking dick on youporn, I mustve watched it a hundred times. Shes half-thai half cambodian.

I'm not sure that 'girl' is actually female. Looks very much like a ladyboy in that photo.

Post: #22

I would not go to Cambodia for the women. I have been several times but never for more than a few weeks so I am not an expert but have some experience. I found the girls on average to be less attractive then its neighbors Thailand and Vietnam.

The non pro girls I spent time with are on average not intelligent enough to even be enjoyable to spend anytime with other than to fuck them. I found them to not be that good in bed at all in comparison to a thai or filipina.

You can get laid there, and you can enjoy the country for what it is but it is fairly low down on the list for girls in S.E.A.

Post: #23

One plus about Cambodia girls over Thai's and Vietnamese etc that on the whole they have bigger tits.

Post: #24

(05-12-2013 12:59 PM)ThailandRockstar Wrote:  

Quote:The girl in the picture is lucy thai btw, theres a video with her and her sistery nyla sucking dick on youporn, I mustve watched it a hundred times. Shes half-thai half cambodian.

I'm not sure that 'girl' is actually female. Looks very much like a ladyboy in that photo.

She's a girl, and a famous pornstar. The studs of RVF pull way hotter though. 2/10 WNB.

Vietnamese girls have large tits for Asians. I didnt notice Cambodian girls having larger, but I wasn't there long enough to say either way. Vietnamese girls are Definitely much more busy than Thai girls.

Post: #25

Not familiar with her. If I saw her in Thailand I'd assume katoey.

Thai's possibly have the smallest tits in the region, seem to remember the women in Laos having quite big tits too.