Post: #1

History has shown time and time again that while progressive ideological movements can "win the conversation," they ultimately all become a thin veneer over an ultimately conservative society once the prosperity that gave rise to those movements is taken away. Examples:

- Dark Ages Europe after the rise of Christianity (Christianity was originally a pacifist movement).

- The Soviet Union after World War II.

What happened in the case of both of these movements is that the progressive ideas remained the de-jure belief set of the day, while more conservative ideas actually ran shit on the grown floor. Same will happen with feminism. As the Western world gets poorer and poorer, we'll increasingly see a Chinese-style feminism where to be 'feminist' means to try and land a man as quickly as possible.

Post: #2

Um. Do you really think that feminism is going to be mitigated by "the reality of economics"?

The Soviet Union collapse is an example of a collapse of the ideology of socialism, which is directly an economic system, of which feminism is not (though of course it does play a part in it).

I don't really see feminism affecting economics on a large scale. If anything, it generates more economic activity. I also don't see the Western world getting poorer and poorer. Growth may have peaked, but it's not like western infrastructure and productivity is suddenly going to disappear. Also, Chinese consumers freaking love luxury goods, so Western exports such is in the US and in France will gradually catch up with Chinese exports.

Post: #3

(05-17-2013 03:08 AM)theArbiter Wrote:  Um. Do you really think that feminism is going to be mitigated by "the reality of economics"?

The Soviet Union collapse is an example of a collapse of the ideology of socialism, which is directly an economic system, of which feminism is not (though of course it does play a part in it).

I don't really see feminism affecting economics on a large scale. If anything, it generates more economic activity. I also don't see the Western world getting poorer and poorer. Growth may have peaked, but it's not like western infrastructure and productivity is suddenly going to disappear. Also, Chinese consumers freaking love luxury goods, so Western exports such is in the US and in France will gradually catch up with Chinese exports.

yes, once civilization faces a real crisis, women aka the weaker sex will freak the fuck out and look toward beta providers once again

Post: #4

Dont totally agree, fucked up ideologies seem to persist in even tough conditions. Marriage itself is one lol. Although I think you're partly right, some things really are only possible in an abundant world with plentiful food.

The west wont regress to Asian-like cultures though, even if we became alot poorer. We're just not confucian or collectivist or shame-based in the same way, and likely never will be. The chinese marriage thing is based as much in the idea of honoring your ancestors and family bloodline etc as it is in practical reasons.

Post: #5

I concur in sensu lato that "progressive" ideologies like feminism are bubbles.

However, the bigger problem is that ideologies can remain irrational longer than you can remain alive.

Post: #6

I've been saying this over and over. Ideology is a luxury in the time of crisis. But yes, feminism will always exist. Think of it like parasites. The winter comes, and the strength of it determines how many will survive for the next spring. But no matter how hard any furious those blizzards hit, deep deep down in some forsaken hole that one will weather it out. Then in the spring it starts over, and that mouthy bitch will rear her ugly head.

Post: #7

(05-17-2013 08:31 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  I've been saying this over and over. Ideology is a luxury in the time of crisis. But yes, feminism will always exist. Think of it like parasites. The winter comes, and the strength of it determines how many will survive for the next spring. But no matter how hard any furious those blizzards hit, deep deep down in some forsaken hole that one will weather it out. Then in the spring it starts over, and that mouthy bitch will rear her ugly head.

Exactly, ideologies get enabled and disabled according to environmental variables.

There has always been feminism, it just got enabled in last few decades of prosperity.

Post: #8

(05-17-2013 08:31 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  I've been saying this over and over. Ideology is a luxury in the time of crisis. But yes, feminism will always exist. Think of it like parasites. The winter comes, and the strength of it determines how many will survive for the next spring. But no matter how hard any furious those blizzards hit, deep deep down in some forsaken hole that one will weather it out. Then in the spring it starts over, and that mouthy bitch will rear her ugly head.

As long as betas dote on their princess daughters...yup.

Post: #9

(05-17-2013 08:21 PM)Kabal Wrote:  I concur in sensu lato that "progressive" ideologies like feminism are bubbles.

However, the bigger problem is that ideologies can remain irrational longer than you can remain alive.

Indeed what is true for the market can be true for societal cycles as well. In fact, I do not think we have had a similar upswing in the past as we have had over the last 30 years.