Post: #1

I'm new to the forum but have been aware of Roosh and others in the manosphere for awhile, and got my first introduction to early elements of game/red pill from "The Ladder Theory" and other sites in early 2000's.

So, excuse the lengthy back story, but here's my question... what do you do when you are bored of the game, but society is set up so that it's the only game in town?

I'm just near 30; compared to my peers and in this economy I was making good money in my company and ran PR for my entire state (just got a 5 grand a year raise for doubling my branches income from our client); I played in a band that was popular in town and often in the papers and opened up for large touring acts (opening for Rancid was fun); bartenders knew me and I could get free drinks and doormen would let me cut in line to get in; I threw big parties and everyone in the social scene knew me. Getting good looking girls wasn't hard, and getting girls meant other girls were interested in me as well; I'm near triple digits with the notches on my bedpost, I've had threesomes, I have done every kinky weird thing the darkest corners of porn could show that I had slightest interest in doing; right now there are two girls I've kept as regular hook ups (girls that get complimented by everyone when I take them out) that I could call up to come over without even taking them on a date, I have another girl I just call blowjob girl because I don't even have to kiss her she'll just come over and give me head and then smoke me out and chat a bit then leave in an hour's time... but I'm tired of it.

I could go to a bar, chat up a woman and take her home but it just doesn't seem worth the effort anymore. The truth is, if it isn't a real relationship I am not at all interested in sex these days. But my perspective is that the old life-long marriage ideal is irrecoverable for this generation, so I have no clue what to do.

I mean, a few months ago after opening for Electric Six I got a blowjob in the green room and was offered all the free coke I wanted (but I declined as weed and alcohol are more my thing), and I just felt it was all so damn empty. I was living some one out there's dream life, but it's not what I want and it really depresses me. I just want a nice girl to make a wife and have some kids... grass is always greener syndrome?

Has anyone else come across this bridge where mindless fucking got old, a worthwhile relationship seemed impossible in this day and age (and god help you if it sours and you have to go through the divorce court wringer)? What did you do?

Post: #2

(05-31-2013 05:42 PM)browserbowser Wrote:  here's my question... what do you do when you are bored of the game

Focus on other things.

My career, my hobbies, my weaknesses, etc.

(05-31-2013 05:42 PM)browserbowser Wrote:  What did you do?

Whatever the fuck I wanted.

For me, thats a lot of cooking, working out, playing sports, educating myself, swimming, bettering myself.

If you are getting girls as easy as you say, finding a wife shouldn't be that hard. Finding a wife that you won't want to divorce in 10 years is the tricky part.

Forget about game. You have that. Whats your next challenge in life?

Post: #3

TLDR of my sex life:

I am utterly disenchanted and unsatisified with regular sex. The thought of going through the same tired of motions bores me. In order for me to get legitimately excited about a prospective intimate encounter; it must be of the rough/violent/sadistic/dominating nature. Choking, hair pulling, fantasy rape, face slapping, crying, rope and duct tape, spanking, flogging, listening to the bitch beg for mercy that isn't going to come etc...

Post: #4

Sounds like you're depressed. I would recommend traveling.

Post: #5

Once something is easy it's no longer of value. Hedonic adaptation. For most this is not pussy. Find a real challenge. See if you're hot shit in another country. Why are so many movie stars fucked up despite having fame and fortune? Being happy is a constant struggle.

Post: #6

ah yeah, Electric Six!

Quote:I just want a nice girl to make a wife and have some kids... grass is always greener syndrome?

If you are not finding nice girls where you are, go somewhere else!

Quote:Has anyone else come across this bridge where mindless fucking got old, a worthwhile relationship seemed impossible in this day and age (and god help you if it sours and you have to go through the divorce court wringer)? What did you do?

This is to a large degree, a travel forum. By all reports, America is not a place to have a worthwhile relationship.

Get out of that bubble of meaningless drivel and delusion, and find some nice girls, have some nice mindful sex with them and if you find a really nice one, you can get married and have kids! no probs!

If you are looking for more meaning and depth in sexual intercourse, you could try exploring the sleazy underworld of what is called "Tantra" in America.

Post: #7

Never give up!! Im 33 and just went to spring break....

Post: #8

Its a never ending battle really. I was in a LTR still getting some on the side, I got bored broke it off went to Asia and banged silly amounts of young hot girls... I got bored doing that to. Now im back in a LTR with the girl I broke up with to go to Asia... Was great in the beginning but guess whats starting to happen..... Im getting bored. Its a vicious cycle........

Post: #9

(05-31-2013 05:42 PM)browserbowser Wrote:  I'm new to the forum but have been aware of Roosh and others in the manosphere for awhile, and got my first introduction to early elements of game/red pill from "The Ladder Theory" and other sites in early 2000's.

So, excuse the lengthy back story, but here's my question... what do you do when you are bored of the game, but society is set up so that it's the only game in town?

Focus on improving yourself by reading, getting into shape, improving your career.

Quote: But my perspective is that the old life-long marriage ideal is irrecoverable for this generation, so I have no clue what to do.

Pre nup

Quote:Has anyone else come across this bridge where mindless fucking got old, a worthwhile relationship seemed impossible in this day and age (and god help you if it sours and you have to go through the divorce court wringer)? What did you do?

again: pre nup. It sounds like you are looking for relationships with lounge lizards. They are mostly good for a ONS but not really good relationship material.

Try day game? My first suggestion would be to read Day Bang because the quality of women is going to be sky high especially compared to a lounge lizard.

Post: #10

(05-31-2013 05:42 PM)browserbowser Wrote:  Has anyone else come across this bridge where mindless fucking got old, a worthwhile relationship seemed impossible in this day and age (and god help you if it sours and you have to go through the divorce court wringer)? What did you do?

I'm pretty much in the same boat as you but i'm 37 (but i look younger).. I could just about say that i'm burnt out on gaming.. 10, 12, 15 years ago i was eagerly trying to stick my dick in any vagina i could.. Nowadays i sometimes pass up sex with fuck buddies just cause im not in the mood.. I've been meeting and fucking chicks for 20 years and have a notch count of at least 200 and let me tell you: IT DOES GET OLD..

As others have stated, take up some hobbies. For me personally, this includes golfing, going to sporting events (i love football season), working out (i jog about 20 miles a week), happy hour twice a week after work with co-workers, going down to my parents beach house, hanging out with my brother and niece, doing some travelling (im going to Vegas in a couple months), camping trips, fishing, etc.. Get out of your house and stay busy with your hobbies.

As far as for getting into a good relationship and wanting kids the best advice i can give is: Stay gaming. You dont want to get rusty. Attractive American women who are relationship material are only about 1 in 100, and that's being extremely generous. Try like hell to stay on top of your game and look for that 1 in a 100. I really have learned in my years of gaming is that the vast majority of modern women do suck (no pun intended) but there are some exceptions. Find the exceptions and then take her seriously. Thats what i plan to do with the next relationship type girl i meet. I'm going to take it seriously. 10 years ago, hell even 5 years ago i wouldnt have given a fuck.. Now, at 37, im sorta burnt out and kinda ready to settle with a good one.

Post: #11

It's amazing. As teenagers all we want is to feel the inside of a woman's vagina. More than anything in the whole world. Then one day, it gets old. You get a clue in the game and can get laid easily. Then it somehow just becomes a release that satisfies the body.

The only time it feels new and fresh and beautiful (to me anyway) is when I meet a woman that completely enchants me. And that's what's missing from 99% of sex, a lovingness. Because it's so hard to come by. I don't mean relationships, or marriage or any social conceptions of love. But just that feeling of inspiring each other, elevating each other and growing with somebody very special.

And way too often I feel women are holding themselves back from opening up to a man. Like they'd rather (or THINK they'd rather) keep things transactional and detached. So you meet all these emotionally distant women and it breaks your heart. Because you know how amazing the sex can be when you're really, really into each other and not just there out of inertia or horniness or whatever.

I think I've only really met a small handful of girls who had a natural, organic, untainted approach to being with a man. And those were a sheer joy. Other times...I've literally asked girls lying on my bed to leave because I got the feeling that they didn't even want to be there. Screw that!

Post: #12

It doesn't matter what it is, the law of diminishing returns always applies: the more we get of anything the less and less we appreciate it. You can't fuck a bunch of girls and expect to enjoy as much as the first 10 girls. This is not just a problem with girls it's a problem with our society. As a society we believe more is better BUT more can't be better. The only way we can truly ever appreciate anything is to be deprived of it. Want to appreciate one of those girl you have. Go without any for a few months, reset your expectations.

I know exactly what where you are coming from and went through it awhile back. But sex and love are two very different things. I can't remember most of the women I've had sex with BUT I never forget the few women I have loved.

PS There are still some great women in America. I went out with one tonight and while I could have gotten the SNL. I didn't do it. She was just so great that I wanted to enjoy all the different facets of her. When you just have sex with a woman, you give up on so much. Besides, when you build true intimacy with a woman the sex is so much better.

Post: #13

I think a lot of guys who make girls a very high priority (if not priority number one) in their lives at a young age often go through this - as for me, obviously I always wanted to get laid, but I always found "dating" very boring and had a couple of very bad experiences with women at a fairly young age, which caused me to sublimate my feelings and desires into a talent rather than spend much time or energy on women.

I'll never forget the night I was out with a friend, both of us trying to pull, and both having a bad night - as the night wound down and it was fairly clear neither of us was hooking up, I made some stupid passing comment, "What a gong show night," something like that. Out of the blue he replied, "Yeah, but it's not the same for you. You have your books, your writing, whereas I have nothing but sex." It was one of those Colonel Kurtz "diamond straight to my brain" moments, where I realized that he had put getting laid as number one on his priority list and paid for it psychologically and emotionally. I could distance myself from women and the game, whereas he was constantly inside of it, being stared down by it like the eye of some angry god.

Thus, I would recommend that you concentrate for a while on improving yourself, but NOT for the sake of other people. What skill did you always want to develop? Is there a language you study that you could become fluent in? Is there a very ambitious music project you want to try and accomplish? A new instrument you'd like to learn, or a new style of music? Is there a strenuous sporting event you'd like to compete in?

Basically, I recommend that you ask yourself this question: what would I do if there were no women in the world? This will give you clearer insight into what you, as a person, would like to do. You don't have to give up girls; just make sure part of your life is consumed by developing a talent, learning a new skill, gaining new knowledge, for no other reason than for the thing itself. Do something not because it is cool or even that it will necessarily get you anywhere; do it because it will occupy your mind and emotions and because you will become a better and more focused person by doing it.

Post: #14

means ur testicles no longer producing testosterone... u're pretty much a female now.

Post: #15

One more thing, there is a big difference between banging an American girl and banging a really feminine and sexual girl like a Brasilian or Eastern European girl. It's difficult for me to get turned on by an American girl. Put a Brasilian girl in front of me and I become a rabid dog.

Post: #16

(06-02-2013 01:59 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  One more thing, there is a big difference between banging an American girl and banging a really feminine and sexual girl like a Brasilian or Eastern European girl. It's difficult for me to get turned on by an American girl. Put a Brasilian girl in front of me and I become a rabid dog.

Haha for realz dude. Something about American culture poisons a natural attitude towards sex (that is -- NO attitude -- it is what it is).

There's just so much crazy mental gymnastics, rationalizations, feelings of guilt, mind games. And then when you meet a girl from say, Germany, who's smart, well spoken, sexy and completely natural about the most natural thing in the world, you vow to never return to the disintegrating country whence you came, save for short visits that serve only as reminders of why you left! </rant>

Post: #17

I guess I'd say to those who are bored and uninspired, also have a look at your frame here.

The cliche word on the street about "players" is that they are men who are seeking validation from women and have intimacy issues.

Thing about intimacy issues, is this is most people, especially in the west. Yes, people are using sex as a substitute intimacy, but this intimacy is not always intimate, not always inspiring or refreshing or loving. When it gets down to nuts and bolt meat, it doesn't mean that much, yet that is only the paradigm/frame that many people are holding.

That is the kind of nihlism that sex based on ego can provide for quite easily, it is just food for the body. This is the paradigm where feminists can profess their vibrator is superior to a penis! And that men are somehow dispensible...

And because western women have bought into this plastic and meat paradigm, not connected into what makes them sexy, flowing, inspiring feminine presences - which is bountiful goddessness which can feed a mans soul (i.e. demeter of Starbuck fame)

Anyway, point is, most of us wouldn't be here if we didn't find some sort of meaning and strong interest, stimulation in the process of engaging intimately with females - and especially in the exotic and strange new females from other cultures, and the learning and adventures involved in this

I guess OP was saying to him it wasn't a challenge, but then beyond the idea of fact that this was actually occurring, these kind of interactions were not feeding his soul.

Yeah, it can be a tough gig, but one would hope you are going to find females you care about, and who touch you and you want to be with, and you enjoy being with (if not forever, then for some good times) If not, look inside yourself, and see why you are not attracting those women, or get the fuck out of dodge! or both.

Post: #18

I understand that when you have all the women you want it gets old after a while, but wow, I wish I had that problem.

Post: #19

(06-02-2013 03:41 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  I guess OP was saying to him it wasn't a challenge, but then beyond the idea of fact that this was actually occurring, these kind of interactions were not feeding his soul.

Yeah, it can be a tough gig, but one would hope you are going to find females you care about, and who touch you and you want to be with, and you enjoy being with (if not forever, then for some good times) If not, look inside yourself, and see why you are not attracting those women, or get the fuck out of dodge! or both.

Yeah, I think this is it exactly. There's an old friend of mine who I haven't seen forever, I don't love her and wouldn't want to date her, but if we hooked up I'd be into it just because there is an "intimacy" in the friendship and shared past memories and I'd enjoy the time together as more than just a "good fuck". It's like Nomad77 said, I don't remember most of the women I've just fucked but there's one or two women from my past that have been coming into my mind lately and getting me a bit nostalgic and depressed.

"like staring down the eye of an angry god"... I like your diction JoyceLoveLetter!

There is also something to be said for the diminishing returns, but I think it's mostly the intimacy more than the sex. Fuck man, I've gone soft (not that way ya perverts!).

I guess I need to think of some new hobbies.

Thanks for the feedback so far everyone.

Post: #20

I've mentioned this a few times, but "60 Years of Challenge" really wraps up so many issues like this very clearly in his e-book "Relationship Roulette"

There are so many quotes from the e-book I could put in here, but I'll just put in one, and implore you all to read it. So many lightbulbs went off when I read his e-books.

"You don’t really want to fuck her

You just want to “be around her” and bask in her feminine energy. That’s fine. But for her to want to be affectionate with you, you need to fuck her first. The strongest most powerful connection in the world is a sexual connection. A sexual connection has women doing all types of crazy stuff.

You need to let your sexual desire eclipse your need for female affection. Right now it’s the opposite.

Keep in mind the battle between your need for sex & your need for affection is always being fought. Even when you talk to a girl for only 5 minutes. For most guys affection usually wins and they don’t come across sexual enough. They don’t get the girl. When you see a girl all the time you can only imagine how stacked the affection odds are against you.

The casino is a better bet."

Post: #21

(05-31-2013 08:57 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  you could try exploring the sleazy underworld of what is called "Tantra" in America.

What is this "Tantra" that you speak of? I've never heard of it..?

(06-02-2013 03:41 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  The cliche word on the street about "players" is that they are men who are seeking validation from women and have intimacy issues.

Yes, I think this is me.

I'm evolving into a more emotionally healthy player.

(05-31-2013 09:23 PM)TheCaptainPower Wrote:  Never give up!! Im 33 and just went to spring break....

Where did you go? How was it?

Post: #22

(06-02-2013 12:21 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  This is not just a problem with girls it's a problem with our society.

I don't think this is a problem of our society. This is just the way humands are wired, you can fight it as much as you can but the only way to really keep enjoying things is to know when to deprive from them from time to time, just like you said.

Also, great post by VincentVinturi.

Post: #23

But in America we never do. Our solution is to always believe that more and bigger is the cure. Your car doesn't excite you anymore? Get a new and bigger one! If we are traded in everything in our lives then why should women be surprised when they are also on the list

Post: #24

(06-05-2013 02:34 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  But in America we never do. Our solution is to always believe that more and bigger is the cure. Your car doesn't excite you anymore? Get a new and bigger one! If we are traded in everything in our lives then why should women be surprised when they are also on the list

The "bigger" characteristic is just relative. What always prevails is the "new".

Post: #25

To counteract the boredom/meltdowns, I go into mini-relationships. It breaks the pace. Chasing pussy is time consuming, and is redundant. Switching to a short ltr is like changing up a workout routine so you don't platform.

I still go out and flirt to keep my skills up, so at about 3 months when my chick pisses me off, I can walk into something else quickly.