Post: #1

Dr. Ron Paul Chairman C4L NO NATIONAL ID Campaign...

http://chooseliberty.org/nationalidcards...?pid=0612b

Post: #2

I don't get it. I've always had an ID in my country and have never felt threatened by it. I use it to prove who I am in banks, when travelling and when signing contracts. To think the ID is anything other than a useful instrument for society-wide trust is mind-boggling for me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_identity_card
On the other hand, if I lived in the USA with all its feminist ideology and examples of abuse like Guantanamo, I would probably be wary too.

Post: #3

We have ID's as well, state IDs... What people don't want is a national ID. Not sure where you're from but down the road when the EU is forcing EU ID's on the people it will make more sense.

Post: #4

Dr.Ron Paul, smart dude:

http://www.knowledgeoftoday.org/2012/11/...peech.html

"Lifes about, shooting your load"

Post: #5

ron paul, racist dude


”We don’t think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That’s true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such.”


“What else do we need to know about the political establishment than that it refuses to discuss the crimes that terrify Americans on grounds that doing so is racist? Why isn’t that true of complex embezzling, which is 100 percent white and Asian?”


”Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal. These aren’t my figures, that is the assumption you can gather from the report.”


“Contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.” -On the 40th Anniversary of the Civil Rights Act


“I wouldn’t vote against getting rid of the Jim Crow laws.” -When asked if he would have voted for the Civil Rights Act


“Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action.”

“Immigrants can spread diseases for which we may have no immunity. There is also the question of crime and culture. Many immigrants come from countries with different legal structures and are not willing to behave in the way we expect American citizens to behave.”

“There is no such thing as a hate crime.”


“The Criminals who terrorize our cities – in riots and on every non-riot day – are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are.”


Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/02/15/...z2a0DHHV8U

https://twitter.com/RP_Newsletter

Post: #6

1. somewhat racist
2. sonewhat true
3.somewhat racist
4. makes a certain amiunt if sense
5. makes some sense
6. pretty racist
7. actually is a serious problem
8. someehat out of context
9. pretty racist

Post: #7

That said, even if he really were racist, I'd be inclined to give him a chance because I'm so disgusted with our current rulers.

Of course, that's probably how Hitler came to power as well.

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Ron Paul is no racist...color blind, I'd say. He judges people by their actions as you can see in most of those quotes.

Post: #9

I understand the paranoia over national IDs. Look at how they spy on us already.

Post: #10

The thing with these laws is yes, it doesn't seem like such a big deal to have a national id, or stricter gun control, or the government tapping phones, right NOW.

However, who knows what the government and state of the country will be like in 10, 50 or 100 years from now.

In 50 years this country could be an extremely different place. Maybe then if your average citizen doesn't have access to firearms, if the government has a list of everyone and where they live, and they can tap their phones without probable cause, shit could get ugly.

Maybe our own version of Hitler or Pol Pot comes to power. Then who knows how bad things could get. Its important to put up a fight against these kinds of laws now, to protect us against what they could use them for in the future.

Post: #11

(07-25-2013 04:21 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  The thing with these laws is yes, it doesn't seem like such a big deal to have a national id, or stricter gun control, or the government tapping phones, right NOW.

However, who knows what the government and state of the country will be like in 10, 50 or 100 years from now.

In 50 years this country could be an extremely different place. Maybe then if your average citizen doesn't have access to firearms, if the government has a list of everyone and where they live, and they can tap their phones without probable cause, shit could get ugly.

Maybe our own version of Hitler or Pol Pot comes to power. Then who knows how bad things could get. Its important to put up a fight against these kinds of laws now, to protect us against what they could use them for in the future.

Americans don't have that insight. That live in the 'now' for the 'me', never thinking of the ramifications that could affect their children in the future. Every politician exploits this. The Fed Reserve exploits this etc...

Post: #12

@Game Theory: Every human is racist to some degree. There is no such thing as a perfect human state, and therefore no such thing as being perfectly non-racist.

"If you live in a glass house don't throw stones." - Peter Tosh

As a white man, I am a racist, but I become less of a racist everyday, not because of what it does to The Other, but because of what it does to me. Being a racist breaks my own heart, it burns my game because I carry the false belief of arrogance and superiority over The Other. A lie, no matter how cleverly constructed is still a lie. The truth shall set you free. I am not superior to any man. Death is the great equalizer. Men of all color will meet the same fate and in the moment of passing cowards of the great white lie will be revealed. No need to expose their imperfections prematurely. Ron Paul will have his day of reckoning.

I won't go into the dark black vs. light black racism and homophobia of the African American community and Malcolm X's theory of the connected oppressions (i.e., that black men cannot ask white men to stop being racist while they cling to homophobia and a suspicion of Jews). That is none of my business. However, Ron Paul has many positives besides being a latent racist and homophobe. I suggest digging deeper into his ideology for a deeper understanding of his policies and what an America under his rule might look like. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. People change every decade or so as they age. What year are those quotes from? Ron Paul is not a perfect man but he is a great American who puts his life on the line everyday for his right to express himself freely within the public sphere.

Post: #13

^^^ the difference beween you and rp : he made a WHOLE LOT OF MONEY cashing in on racism. the quotes are from multiple decades from the newsletter he produced, so it's not like he went through a "racist phase" that he has since "outgrown". all of that bullshit really makes any reasonable person question his cred.

rp can "lick me yarbles"

Post: #14

Feds tell Web firms to turn over user account passwords

Americans on the whole are entirely too trusting of the government. Trust in government will lead to disaster. See history of mankind.

Post: #15

(07-25-2013 07:47 PM)assman Wrote:  Feds tell Web firms to turn over user account passwords

Americans on the whole are entirely too trusting of the government. Trust in government will lead to disaster. See history of mankind.

I agree. Trading liberty for false security is quite the deadly sin.

Post: #16

(07-25-2013 07:47 PM)assman Wrote:  Feds tell Web firms to turn over user account passwords

Americans on the whole are entirely too trusting of the government. Trust in government will lead to disaster. See history of mankind.

That is very troubling. And you can bet your ass that if the American government is doing it, other Western governments (ENgland and Canada) will do it too. Snowden already revealed that UK spies on its citizens just the same. I am sure the Canadian government does too.

Post: #17

(07-25-2013 05:19 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  ^^^ the difference beween you and rp : he made a WHOLE LOT OF MONEY cashing in on racism. the quotes are from multiple decades from the newsletter he produced, so it's not like he went through a "racist phase" that he has since "outgrown". all of that bullshit really makes any reasonable person question his cred.

rp can "lick me yarbles"

I think he made his money delivering babies. No matter, who cares? I don't know Ron personally but I know he never waivers on the complete legalization of all drugs for all people (no more special treatment for alcoholics). If I was black and saw that my people were only 13% of the population but serving 40% of the hard time for felony drug convictions I would see that as a pro black policy. Personal philosophy can be very different than personal action. Ron wants no federal tax, no prying eyes into our personal lives (via Google or the NSA), and is against all foreign wars and the funding of embassies on foreign soil. I am for the same policies but for very different reasons. So what? We want some of the same things. Ron is against abortion but he doesn't want to take away my right to utilize the procedure. So he is human, he's got a racist streak, who doesn't? What I like is he's not all PC about it, he'll explain all those decades of comments away with logic not apology. So many white conservatives these days are dancing around calling President Obama a nig#*r. Guys like Ted Nugent and what not, at least with RP you get the truth of who the man is. He is more than the sum of his flawed parts. He is a man of character who likes whites more than he likes blacks but that doesn't mean he's looking to take away Jay-Z's mansion and send Beyonce to Guantanamo.

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^^^ in one year alone in the late rp made about $1 million peddling his racist-rant filled newsletters. and he hangs out with, and takes money from, strormfront's founder don black

Post: #19

I'm not sure I understand the issue. They want a national ID as a means to verify a person is eligible for employment. But.. employers already ask for your SSN anyway, so they can verify you're legal to work.

Also isn't a US passport basically like a national ID? It has biometric data, and is run by the US government.