Post: #1

I recently saw watching a few episodes of The Keys to the VIP ... some Canadian pickup show. There was this episode where a guy who i believe was of Italian decent , walked over to a girl, garnered her attention and then grabbed her hand and kissed it afterward giving her two kisses on the cheeks.

I tried doing that a couple times when i went out this Friday night. 1 girl flat out pushed me away while 2 girls let me do it but the vibe afterwards was more of a " You better back this up with good game or else ... " . Killed the mood pretty much. I had to change floors to avoid seeing those chicks.

So what do you think ? Is it advisable to assume that smooth Rico Suave persona without being Mediterranean or Latino.

PS: No race trolling. Legit concern of mine since i am trying to find my niche of game which works the best

Post: #2

From my experience, impersonating a certain persona is fun to do every once and a while for shits and giggles. If you really dive into it (accent, knowledge of the area, etc) you can kind of play into the fantasies of foreign romance and all that.

But, I've never done the kissing thing. I'd say try it out some if you're still finding your style, but try to be congruent with the game that follows.

Post: #3

(07-01-2013 01:10 PM)baristabanger Wrote:  From my experience, impersonating a certain persona is fun to do every once and a while for shits and giggles. If you really dive into it (accent, knowledge of the area, etc) you can kind of play into the fantasies of foreign romance and all that.

But, I've never done the kissing thing. I'd say try it out some if you're still finding your style, but try to be congruent with the game that follows.

Agreed. That's the problem i see with lines and routines. It is always hard to follow up and be congruent to your opener afterwards thus the emphasis on inner game which is being tossed around the pickup community and manosphere lately.

Post: #4

I probably haven't met or been introduced to a single girl in the last 15 years without kissing her on both cheeks.

It is a move straight out of The G Manifesto playbook.

Post: #5

(07-01-2013 01:30 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  I probably haven't met or been introduced to a single girl in the last 15 years without kissing her on both cheeks.

It is a move straight out of The G Manifesto playbook.

Judging from your website and your style of writing I assume you are mid 30s to early 40s, affluent and stylish. Would you recommend the same for guys in their early 20's ? Don't you need to carry a certain vibe to pull it off ?

Post: #6

I always either kiss girls on both cheeks or give them a big hug. Dutch girls will even go for the 3rd kiss (they do 3). Ah, Dutch girls...

Anyway, SOME kind of kino right off the bat is key in my game, and any good seducer I know. Western girls will generally comply but look kind of surprised that you kiss them and ask if you're European or something. I just say no. Even though I am but I'm Ukrainian and grew up in the US and don't want to get into a whole thing about the kiss and whether it's appropriate according to bogus social rules.

For me it's simply that I like to be physically close to beautiful women. It's like...you can't be congruent by faking a European guy persona but you can always be congruent with wanting to kino hot chicks. But for it to have the right vibe, it involves really owning your sexual intent and projecting it through without apology.

Post: #7

I've been living in Italy the past 2 years and when I went back to my home in the USA for a few weeks I did this without thinking about it. If there is one thing this tool helps you with, it's finding the girls that are into you real quick and knowing which ones to not waste your time with. It's a good thing to try if you are confident with using it.

Post: #8

I am Mediterranean and I do hugs instead of the norm- kiss on each cheek. It is commonplace that it is practically the same as saying hello. Ideally you should be doing what you feel comfortable with and can make them feel the same rather than doing a greeting you can't pull off smoothly. These girls are screening you to see if you fuck up or not, stick to your strengths and eliminate that possibility.

Post: #9

(07-01-2013 04:02 PM)Kikz Wrote:  I am Mediterranean and I do hugs instead of the norm- kiss on each cheek. It is commonplace that it is practically the same as saying hello. Ideally you should be doing what you feel comfortable with and can make them feel the same rather than doing a greeting you can't pull off smoothly. These girls are screening you to see if you fuck up or not, stick to your strengths and eliminate that possibility.

True ... I was trying to use it to eliminate the physical barrier you have when first meeting people. I truly believe that people subconsciously feel instantly closer to people they have had some sort of physical contact with.

Even with men ! Say you met 3 new guys at a frat party ... one gave you a nod and a " what sup man" , the second one gave you a firm handshake, while the third gave you a handshake followed by a brohug ... which one would you feel is cooler ?

That is the reason why i've been trying to use kisses besides the fact that it just different and edgy.

Post: #10

(07-01-2013 04:12 PM)AlfaBroMeyow Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 04:02 PM)Kikz Wrote:  I am Mediterranean and I do hugs instead of the norm- kiss on each cheek. It is commonplace that it is practically the same as saying hello. Ideally you should be doing what you feel comfortable with and can make them feel the same rather than doing a greeting you can't pull off smoothly. These girls are screening you to see if you fuck up or not, stick to your strengths and eliminate that possibility.

True ... I was trying to use it to eliminate the physical barrier you have when first meeting people. I truly believe that people subconsciously feel instantly closer to people they have had some sort of physical contact with.

Even with men ! Say you met 3 new guys at a frat party ... one gave you a nod and a " what sup man" , the second one gave you a firm handshake, while the third gave you a handshake followed by a brohug ... which one would you feel is cooler ?

That is the reason why i've been trying to use kisses besides the fact that it just different and edgy.

The girl has to feel she deserves that level of attention compared to the guy. Think that guys are like dogs and girls are like cats with attention.

Post: #11

So I'm open to certain additions to my game and decided to give this a try. I suited up and hit the mall and did six approaches. My style is so ingrained that I only managed to remember to do it twice out of the six approaches.

I can see why this is in G's arsenal. The two approaches I did it-including the whole ensemble of suit and what I imagine as Rico Suave style-I left the interactions with solid date plans. Compared to the other approaches which just ended in a number and a name text saying, "nice meeting you. BaristaBanger" I only got two responses back. For sure incorporating this into suit game.

Post: #12

G Manifesto's right. Honestly guys are showing how inexperienced they are in this discussion. That's fine, because the vast majority of the time that's me.

In elite circles in any major U.S. city, kisses on the cheek are standard. Meanwhile in fly-over country this is considered some exotic European phenomenon. That's cool, because you're not pulling this in T.G.I. Fridays.

Post: #13

This is all about presence and presentation. Do it dressed in baggy jeans and a hoodie and you will appear off key. Do it in a smart outfit and you'll be sophisticated and smooth.

You don't do this at a frat party.

Post: #14

I'm English and I do it just from having spent a lot of time with European girls, if anything girls like it as they find it a bit sophisticated maybe.

Post: #15

It's standard operating procedure.

When I was in Korea on business two girls from the office took me out after work. I did the kiss on the cheek thing at the end of the night. They got completely silly with it and asked me to kiss them again. Women love it.

American girls are a bad example with their huge bitch shields. They are the exception not the rule.

Post: #16

Quote:American girls are a bad example with their huge bitch shields. They are the exception not the rule.

You don't say. Still, I think it's a good idea in the states too. This is an opportunity to practice good frame control. The girls come around when they see your frame is stronger, then they appreciate the attention.