Post: #1

I'm a little skeptical, but this list makes a point. It might be interesting to make a list of what successful daters do.

http://www.daveramsey.com/blog/20-things...-every-day

1. 70% of wealthy eat less than 300 junk food calories per day. 97% of poor people eat more than 300 junk food calories per day. 23% of wealthy gamble. 52% of poor people gamble.

2. 80% of wealthy are focused on accomplishing some single goal. Only 12% of the poor do this.

3. 76% of wealthy exercise aerobically 4 days a week. 23% of poor do this.

4. 63% of wealthy listen to audio books during commute to work vs. 5% for poor people.

5. 81% of wealthy maintain a to-do list vs. 19% for poor.

6. 63% of wealthy parents make their children read 2 or more non-fiction books a month vs. 3% for poor.

7. 70% of wealthy parents make their children volunteer 10 hours or more a month vs. 3% for poor.

8. 80% of wealthy make hbd calls vs. 11% of poor

9. 67% of wealthy write down their goals vs. 17% for poor

10. 88% of wealthy read 30 minutes or more each day for education or career reasons vs 2% for poor.

11. 6% of wealthy say what’s on their mind vs. 69% for poor.

12. 79% of wealthy network 5 hours or more each month vs. 16% for poor.

13. 67% of wealthy watch 1 hour or less of TV. every day vs. 23% for poor

14. 6% of wealthy watch reality TV vs. 78% for poor.

15. 44% of wealthy wake up 3 hours before work starts vs.3% for poor.

16. 74% of wealthy teach good daily success habits to their children vs. 1% for poor.

17. 84% of wealthy believe good habits create opportunity luck vs. 4% for poor.

18. 76% of wealthy believe bad habits create detrimental luck vs. 9% for poor.

19. 86% of wealthy believe in life-long educational self-improvement vs. 5% for poor.

20. 86% of wealthy love to read vs. 26% for poor.

Post: #2

I would like to see how these numbers were derived and what the definitions of 'wealthy' and 'poor' are.

Post: #3

Makes sense. Look at obesity data. NYC and SF are both usually listed as fit cities.

I've only lived in "nice" areas for the past 15 years. I forget there is even an obesity epidemic until I get on an airplane.

Post: #4

In relation to junk food/exercise stats: poor people don't have as much free time to exercise as the wealthy, and they don't have as much income and time to buy healthy ingredients and prepare these meals.

Watch the documentary Food, Inc.

You will be surprised at how much money is in corn subsidies, and how much corn is in what we eat.

Post: #5

(07-23-2013 01:09 PM)Divorco Wrote:  11. 6% of wealthy say what’s on their mind vs. 69% for poor.

Great list. A lot of this seemed pretty self-explanatory, mostly due to all the self-help and success literature I've read, but this one in particular really grabbed me. Tact, or knowing when to keep your opinion to yourself, may very well be an underrated quality. I come from a trailer-park background and know a lot of poor people who just don't know when to shut the fuck up, and thinking back it seems to be one of their biggest problem-causers in adulthood.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #6

(07-23-2013 01:50 PM)MHaes Wrote:  In relation to junk food/exercise stats: poor people don't have as much free time to exercise as the wealthy, and they don't have as much income and time to buy healthy ingredients and prepare these meals.

Watch the documentary Food, Inc.

You will be surprised at how much money is in corn subsidies, and how much corn is in what we eat.

A big bag of Doritoes costs more than some chicken...

The majority of poor people are poor because they are lazy. They have plenty of time to make a decent meal and exercise.

Post: #7

I soaked some black beans and pinto beans overnight. Dry beans are cheap as fuck.

They will go into a crock pot for chili.

Even with a roast in the chili, a serving of my chili will cost less than an Extra Value Meal.

People are poor because they lack impulse control and have poor future time orientation. They can't do simple things like plan a week's meals ahead of time.

I do basic things like cook most of my own meals and shop at Costco. How many poor people buy in bulk at Costco?

Not many - again, due to their cognitive defects or outright laziness.

Post: #8

Great list. Fascinating stuff.

What does this one mean???

(07-23-2013 01:09 PM)Divorco Wrote:  8. 80% of wealthy make hbd calls vs. 11% of poor

What's hbd?

Post: #9

(07-23-2013 02:02 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 01:50 PM)MHaes Wrote:  In relation to junk food/exercise stats: poor people don't have as much free time to exercise as the wealthy, and they don't have as much income and time to buy healthy ingredients and prepare these meals.

Watch the documentary Food, Inc.

You will be surprised at how much money is in corn subsidies, and how much corn is in what we eat.

A big bag of Doritoes costs more than some chicken...

The majority of poor people are poor because they are lazy. They have plenty of time to make a decent meal and exercise.

I agree with your point however, I am not sure that Doritos (haven't checked the price in 20 years) are cheaper than chicken.

One reason the poor eat so poorly is there are subsidies for all the crap food.

That stuff is actually pretty cheap.

I eat pretty damn well and I feel like I go to the grocery store every day or two and drop $40-50 for myself.

Good food is kind of expensive.

I think 20nation was on here saying he eats $2 meals.

Italian flat leaf parsley is $1.79 per bunch.

Now I love, Italian flat leaf parsley as much as the next cat, but that is not a meal.

Post: #10

Is "Wealthy" 100K a year in salary? Like if this guy is getting answers from the 1% then we are getting somewhere, but I'm weary the 1% even wipe their own asses when they take a dump.

Post: #11

Even 1% ain't shit. Real wealth starts in the 0.1% and up. You can eat cheaply and you can eat real food, but you need personal discipline and some brains, two things many poor people often lack. Alternatively, their lives are so shit during the day, that they just want the gratification that Doritos provide (but broccoli and rice would not provide).

You can eat a clean diet easily: frozen veggies, peanut butter, oat meal, brown rice, beans, eggs, sweet potatoes, canned fish. None of this stuff is outrageously expensive. I assume that WIC/TANF covers all these products. In fact, I think one way to control obesity would be to restrict what government assistance can be used for. I would abolish its use for any soft drink or dessert items.

Post: #12

I actually find going out to eat is expensive.

1 year ago. I went out 8 times a week=120 dollars a week and spent 120 every two weeks on groceries

Now..I go out twice a week=60 and spend 120 on groceries.


I no longer eat at shit chain restaurants. These 30-50 dollar meals are much more enjoyable.

I spend the same amount on foods but now my meat and vegetables don't spoil because I am able to eat them all.

So that covers long term goals, eating healthy and creating good habits.
So I save at a minimum of 20 a week which is 80 a month. Multiply that by 12 and that's an extra vacation a year. Eating out is the biggest expense people have.

Post: #13

Good stuff.

Agree with all the items except for #11 which I dont get either.

But moreso than make you rich, most of these tips prevent you from losing what you have already built up. Which is equally, if not more, important. Limit exposure to negative events, be open for the positive ones.. and "sit back and wait".

Post: #14

Don't ignore the corporate welfare that goes on in this nation. The Wall St. bailouts are the example that everyone looks at, but take a look at how much money is being spent on Big Agriculture. Over $20 billion is spent per year just on direct agricultural subsidies, the majority of it going to corporate farms.

Meanwhile, rotisserie chickens are not eligible for food stamps.

Do I think the majority of poor people are stupid and lazy? Yes.

Are they entirely to blame for their bad health? No.

Post: #15

(07-23-2013 02:02 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 01:50 PM)MHaes Wrote:  In relation to junk food/exercise stats: poor people don't have as much free time to exercise as the wealthy, and they don't have as much income and time to buy healthy ingredients and prepare these meals.

Watch the documentary Food, Inc.

You will be surprised at how much money is in corn subsidies, and how much corn is in what we eat.

A big bag of Doritoes costs more than some chicken...

The majority of poor people are poor because they are lazy. They have plenty of time to make a decent meal and exercise.

I also used to think that junk food was much cheaper than healthy food, and also the bit about subsidies for carbs (corn wheat etc.). But then out of curiosity I started doing some of my own calculations when at the store. It turns out whole foods either aren't that much more expensive than processed foods, or are even cheaper in many cases. Case in point: Check out the cost/gram or ounce of drained canned tuna. Now compare this to the cost of whole line fish or a medium cut of steak. where I am the price is comparable. True, if you insist on actual fresh tuna it'll be expensive, but if you choose a whole fish that occurs locally and isn't too rare you'll pay much less for the same weight. As far as I'm concerned canned tuna is crap. The processors expel all the oil (I guess to sell it to supplement companies), and add back cheap canola oil.

So I agree that there us no reason for the poor not to eat healthy. this nonsense about supermarkets (or "The Man"?) having it in for the poor and not supplying healthy foods in poor areas is laughable. Also, it is patronising to the poor. As most of these sort of things are. I have knowledge of the food and supermarket supply chain and can assure you that supermarkets in poor areas, if they only stock unhealthy foods, do so because of the weight of demand in those areas. Really no other reason.

Post: #16

(07-24-2013 11:07 AM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  Case in point: Check out the cost/gram or ounce of drained canned tuna. Now compare this to the cost of whole line fish or a medium cut of steak. where I am the price is comparable. True, if you insist on actual fresh tuna it'll be expensive, but if you choose a whole fish that occurs locally and isn't too rare you'll pay much less for the same weight.

In America and Canada (from what I can tell) fresh is 3-10 times more expensive.

Quote:So I agree that there us no reason for the poor not to eat healthy. this nonsense about supermarkets (or "The Man"?) having it in for the poor and not supplying healthy foods in poor areas is laughable. Also, it is patronising to the poor. As most of these sort of things are. I have knowledge of the food and supermarket supply chain and can assure you that supermarkets in poor areas, if they only stock unhealthy foods, do so because of the weight of demand in those areas. Really no other reason.

Either way you slice it, supply or demand, supermarkets in poor areas suck.

Post: #17

I'm with Mike 100%.

Go look at what fat, poor people are buying for "groceries". Soda, chips, cookies, processed snacks. In other words, not one ounce of real food.

If I ate a bunch of empty carbs all the time, I'd be constantly hungry too. Instead of buying a whole chicken and a bag of rice, these people are buying frozen meals, soda, ice cream, and snacks galore. Well, they might be poor, but to a "truly" poor person in the 3rd world, they would appear rich because of all the superfluous purchases they make. I can't remember the last time I drank soda, let alone spent money on it.

I remember growing up in a working class neighborhood. Most of my friends were low income and raised in single parent households. I was already interested in cooking by middle school and I'd go over to a friends house, sometimes want to cook something up after some football or riding bikes. Most of these households didn't even have a cutting board or a knife. Cooking was unheard of. Their version of cooking was putting some frozen seasoned fries on a tray and throwing it in the oven. Or nuking a few hot pockets.

Peasants all over the world have been making hearty and nutritious food for thousands of years. They've had far fewer resources than the modern American McFamily has. This isn't about being unable to afford real food, it's about a broken, ignorant culture.

Post: #18

(07-23-2013 05:12 PM)MHaes Wrote:  Meanwhile, rotisserie chickens are not eligible for food stamps.

Yeah they are. Just about everything that's prepared in the grocer deli section has an "EBT" sticker on it. It still doesn't mean they will eat healthy. Bitches sell their food stamps for cash to buy more dope, and a happy meal for their bastard child.

Post: #19

(07-24-2013 11:54 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Peasants all over the world have been making hearty and nutritious food for thousands of years. They've had far fewer resources than the modern American McFamily has. This isn't about being unable to afford real food, it's about a broken, ignorant culture.

Right, but those peasants had access to real food.

Check out a ghetto grocery store and see if you can get Ahi grade tuna or fresh Rillettes.

It would be an interesting study, but I think with the proliferation of American junk food, I would bet peasants around the world are eating a lot more of that stuff too.

Quote:these people are buying frozen meals, soda, ice cream, and snacks galore.

That is because that sh*t is cheap.

A two liter bottle of Coke, .89 cents.

A 236ml bottle of Pomegranate juice is $10.

Post: #20

frozen dinners aren't cheap. they're like 4 to 5 bucks. When chicken is on sale here I can get it for 69cents a pound

Post: #21

(07-24-2013 01:11 PM)StealthAlpha Wrote:  frozen dinners aren't cheap. they're like 4 to 5 bucks. When chicken is on sale here I can get it for 69cents a pound

Where the hell are you getting these prices, Walmart in Mississippi with salmonella chicken? And the cashier is ringing up up wrong too?

I don't think I have seen those prices since 1987.

Organic Chicken is usually $3-8 dollars per pound. Or more.

Post: #22

I think the elite and wealthy purposes engineer the lower class to abstain from exercise, eat nutrient starved calories, and keep them distracted and distant from focusing and applying themselves. Make them easier to control and dictate their spending habits.

-Don't need to worry about a violent revolution when the masses are stupid, unhealthy, and distracted by consumerism

Post: #23

It's not just poor people who are fat. Its everybody!

More then half of America is obese.

We are the richest country on earth and most of us are obese.

(07-24-2013 11:54 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  This isn't about being unable to afford real food, it's about a broken, ignorant culture.

I don't disagree with you. A culture that can not prepare food for itself is a broken culture.

But, I look at it in a different way..

I think people are fat because their lives suck. Everyone hates their job, no one has any fun, life is very stressful, there are few pleasures in life.

People eat for comfort. It's their only enjoyment in life. It's one of the few moments of pleasure in their life. The highlight of most guys life is eating a delicious meal, looking at porn, and watching the NFL.

Unfortunately, that delicious meal is often garbage.

Food used to be medicine. Now, its mostly a drug. The most dangerous drug in the country. It's legal and available everywhere for cheap. It is literally killing us. We are eating ourselves to death.

I need to buy stock in the health insurance companies, business is booming, the business of death.

Most people don't know this -- But, the health insurance companies own a lot of the fast food companies.

This not a "conspiracy theory". This is reality.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/04/15/ins...index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/w_DietAndFi...d=10392603

Health insurance companies are selling poison to the masses. They profit from our misery.

Obesity is big business.

Post: #24

(07-24-2013 01:44 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Food used to be medicine. Now, its mostly a drug.

Post: #25

(07-23-2013 02:05 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  I soaked some black beans and pinto beans overnight. Dry beans are cheap as fuck.

If you forget to soak overnight, rinse the beans, add to a pot with extra water, cover, bring to a boil, then turn the burner off. Let sit for two hours, then simmer until cooked.

Poor kids eat like shit cause of their environment. I've banged countless trailer trash ho's, and 98% are all the same. Even with nothing to do all day, they still refuse to cook. Kids won't eat veggies cause they haven't been exposed to them. Broken homes and broken women breed broken kids. Thank the Democrats for that one.

I will NEVER again open the cabinet door under the sink anymore. I've been attacked by the green things growing out of potatoes. Scary.

Eating healthy has nothing to do with cost. I was broke ass broke earlier this year, and still ate like a king for almost nothing. Here's a hint:

Don't buy anything in the middle of the grocery store.*

*Unless it's sauce and spices.