Post: #1

Was rolling with this guy and when he tried to armbar me I fell on the front of my shoulder with my arm extended. I heard and felt my shoulder snap. I thought my shoulder was dislocated but I could move my arm around. However, I had to 'roll' over my shoulder to put it in place again. Happened for the 2nd time during training too. When I took off my shirt and had my arm up I felt and heard a loud snap. Had to bring my arm down in pain and snap it back into place like before. I can move my hand freely but my shoulder joint feels very sore and weak. Any of you guys experienced the same? Thinking of going to a physical therapist.

Post: #2

Might be a dislocation that relocated. Use RICE

Rest, Ice, compression, elevation (ignore the last one).

First 2 are the most important- Rest and Ice pack

Post: #3

Any time you dislocate/sprain a joint or break a bone, there will be a higher chance of such an injury reoccurring in the future. I had a weak lower back in the past and the first time I injured it and then 'rehabbed' it, the injury would come back every so often. It was the same for my left shoulder joint.

Like DVY said, use the RICE method. More importantly, rest it well. When you get back to physical activity after you've properly rested (depending on severity of injury), take it slow. My injuries have stopped in both my lower back and my shoulders because I've built muscle around them, therefore protecting it against major strain. Perhaps you can explore that option.

Post: #4

Sounds like an AC joint separation.

http://www.cedars-sinai.edu/Patients/Pro...ation.aspx

I had 3 degree separation over 15 ago from an accident.

It would take me out of BJJ every 3 or 4 months as it's still tender. If I'd go to front roll from the turtle position without tucking my shoulder, bam, reinjury. If I landed on it during a scramble, I'd be out.

That's why I don't train BJJ anymore.

Post: #5

I'm pretty angry this happened. I lift and box so I can't do anything but sit at home now. My shoulder is really tight and my arm range of motion is limited. Already applied tiger balm last night. Will use ice now.

Post: #6

I've dislocated my left shoulder over 40 times, had stablisation surgery after the 32nd.

Firstly, if the dislocation (I know of) is anterior, you can still move it, especially if the dislocation is a subluxation. if a subluxation or full dislocation happened, it is visibily noticeable, so when you say

Quote:However, I had to 'roll' over my shoulder to put it in place again.

You must be aware of if it not in place properly.

2nd time, wow, not good.

Firstly, do not tempt it anymore. it needs at least 6 weeks rest, and I cannot recommend enough, preferably in a sling. I didn't take the proper course of rehabilitation, and it can become unstable an dislocate all the time. I once dislocated it turning the page of a newspaper.

Instability comes from stretched ligaments, bankart lesions, lax muscles. You can't do much about the first two.

You sound rather young, and it's only around late 30's, early 40's that muscle elasticity reduces enough to minimise the problem. Sounds like you could look at 20+ years if you don't manage it properly.

If it is a dislocation of sorts, I would recommend the following.

Sling for 2-4 weeks, keeps any pressure off your shoulder, such as seemingly innocuous things like leaning on a desk.
Sleep on your back with a pillow/cushion under the shoulder, and your arm slightly supplinated so palsm are up.
No exercise for 6 weeks, then recommence with resistance bands, and the physio here, propholaxyis (sic) can ive you a routine.

If instability is already in effect, go for surgery straight away, you'd rather keyhole surgery than a whole chicken wing like I got.

Post: #7

Quote:Firstly, if the dislocation (I know of) is anterior, you can still move it, especially if the dislocation is a subluxation. if a subluxation or full dislocation happened, it is visibily noticeable, so when you say

Quote:You must be aware of if it not in place properly.

2nd time, wow, not good.

Yes, my shoulder rotated to the front and when I stood up straight, it popped back to normal again. Hard to explain but I think you know what I mean. I don't think it was visibly noticeable as I didn't feel anything sticking out. Must hurt having your shoulder dislocated 40 times. That's really bad.

It actually happened 3 times in a row, 2 times during training and the 3rd time when I took my shirt off at home. Applied tiger balm and went to sleep.

Post: #8

A subluxation is not full out, but it is obvious the integrity of your shoulder isn't right. Just look in the mirror and it is not symmetrical with the other shoulder.

A full one, like when the ball/head of your shoulder is sitting on your pec around 3 inches above your nipple is where its a full on dislocation.

Your description....

Quote:my shoulder rotated to the front and when I stood up straight

doesn't dimiss it from being MikeCF's diagnosis though. The one thing you made mention was a crack, which may be more in line with an AC speration, a dislocation makes more of a grinding sound.

My shoulder just prior to the surgery was very unstable, and dislocations by then ceased to hurt any material amount. The pain also reduces greatly once put back in place with any dislocation, whereas I believe the AC joint speration still hurts.

Whatever the event was, I'm serious, expect at least 6 weeks of recovery.

I resumed playing rugby after 6 days, and hurt it again, it put me on a road to fucking it up..

Post: #9

The longer you train grappling, the quicker you start to tap. If someone gets a submission locked in, just tap. Fighting out of a locked in sub is asking for trouble. Tap early and tap often. That's the key to longevity in this sport. BJJ is very hard on the body.

Post: #10

Physical Therapist told me my shoulder ligaments are stretched. She placed tape on my shoulders and told me to apply ice to the shoulder + rest at least a week. Gonna go to another one next week if the issue doesn't go away.

Post: #11

happened again today, ER doc told me shoulder went out of the socket. im in a supportive thing for my arm now

Post: #12

Well that's a dislocation by the sounds of it.

I hope you took the 6 weeks of near total mobility last time. That's at least 4 times, your on the road to needing surgery pretty shortly if you keep this up. If recommended sooner rather than later, take the the arhthoscope. The onger the wait, and the more damage your do, the worse the impact the surgery has.

My surgery meant than a cannot swing my left soulder out from my torso 90 degrees, its limited to arounf 7o-75 degree, hence I cannot acheive proper form for overhead presses and the like.

I'll reiterate, KEEP it in a sling and let it heal, and see where you go from there.

Post: #13

I know you have already seen a doctor. But maybe Prophylaxis can give you some thoughts. He has a thread for various physical therapy type questions. He gave me sound advice. Get Better!

Post: #14

(11-04-2013 12:50 AM)T and A Man Wrote:  Well that's a dislocation by the sounds of it.

I hope you took the 6 weeks of near total mobility last time. That's at least 4 times, your on the road to needing surgery pretty shortly if you keep this up. If recommended sooner rather than later, take the the arhthoscope. The onger the wait, and the more damage your do, the worse the impact the surgery has.

My surgery meant than a cannot swing my left soulder out from my torso 90 degrees, its limited to arounf 7o-75 degree, hence I cannot acheive proper form for overhead presses and the like.

I'll reiterate, KEEP it in a sling and let it heal, and see where you go from there.

I took at least 5-6 weeks off from the gym and all training.
Lifting weights went fine after I was healed because it's a controlled motion. Needless to say I will not be going to BJJ class anymore, I'll just be focusing on the gym. The hospital made an appointment for me to see an orthopedic practitioner next week. They made pictures of my shoulder as well and said nothing was fractured. This is the 2nd time my shoulder dislocated by the way, all thanks to BJJ. I doubt it will happen again now as I have quit.

Post: #15

(11-04-2013 01:13 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

(11-04-2013 12:50 AM)T and A Man Wrote:  Well that's a dislocation by the sounds of it.

I hope you took the 6 weeks of near total mobility last time. That's at least 4 times, your on the road to needing surgery pretty shortly if you keep this up. If recommended sooner rather than later, take the the arhthoscope. The onger the wait, and the more damage your do, the worse the impact the surgery has.

My surgery meant than a cannot swing my left soulder out from my torso 90 degrees, its limited to arounf 7o-75 degree, hence I cannot acheive proper form for overhead presses and the like.

I'll reiterate, KEEP it in a sling and let it heal, and see where you go from there.

I took at least 5-6 weeks off from the gym and all training.
Lifting weights went fine after I was healed because it's a controlled motion. Needless to say I will not be going to BJJ class anymore, I'll just be focusing on the gym. The hospital made an appointment for me to see an orthopedic practitioner next week. They made pictures of my shoulder as well and said nothing was fractured. This is the 2nd time my shoulder dislocated by the way, all thanks to BJJ. I doubt it will happen again now as I have quit.

I dislocated my right shoulder 5 times, the 4th time I tore a ligament which supports the stability of our shoulder. Had surgery after the 5t, this was anterior as I believe yours was. If your shoulder is not fractured and you have not tore anything you are good! But i will tell you this, after I had surgery it was a lot different. Until now that I've started to tear thru the scar tissue that was there for a while. The emphasis of stretching I believe is much greater than lifting. The muscle will strengthen and grow by lifting. Since I dislocated my shoulder any way than I was not as flexible or strong as I thought to put myself in the position that dislocate it. Also I have noticed that all the talk I heard thru my life that "you'll over do it by stretching!!" Is not entirely true. Once I started stretching for an hour + I noticed the muscle gains increased, even more so than that Strength.
Be very aware of that type of doctor. All of them for that matter, but orthopedics is all about your money. 30k+ for ACL reconstruction. 15k for shoulder arthroscopic. Learning to stretch properly is primal and necessary.