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Having quite enjoyed G's Miami VS Montreal Comparison Data Sheet I thought I would bust out a Bangkok VS Melbourne Comparison Data Sheet. I have spent over 6 months total in each.

While these two cities are also not really direct competitors, they are no doubt two of the best cities in the Asia Pacific region alongside Hong Kong, Shanghai, Tokyo and Sydney.

While I'm not aware of any demand for this sheet I thought it would be an interesting exercise nonetheless.

In the red corner: Bangkok, ranked the world's most visited city

In the blue corner: Melbourne, ranked the world's most liveable city

Will Bangkok warrant your visit too? Will Melbourne more than justify its liveable reputation? With a player's needs in mind, let's break it down.

Local Girls

Both cities have decent local girls. Melbourne has White, Asian, Mediterranean, Middle Eastern and East African locals. Bangkok counts only Thai girls as locals (maybe long-term Burmese and Indians too). Bangkok has better girls on average, Melbourne better variety. Both have their fair share of top tier stunners. Although the stunners don't seem to care about working as racegirls at the Melbourne Grand Prix.

Winner: Bangkok

Bangkok girls


Melbourne girls


Tourist Girls

Melbourne's tourist or international student girls find themselves in very high demand, particularly the Latinas and Euros. Yet Bangkok has more tourists, cheaper alcohol, stronger party culture - the slut factor is off the charts.

Winner: Bangkok

Girls Overall

Bangkok has better average quality and better tourist girls. If we were to count attitudes towards men (which I'm not) it would be a slam dunk.

Winner: Bangkok

Competition

Competition is a complete mismatch. Tyson vs Bambi. Men that don't dress well in Melbourne are automatically rejected entry at most venues. Alongside dressing better, Melbourne guys are better looking, taller, more masculine, more cultured, more aggressive in approaching. Guys will regularly attempt to steal girls from you. You have strong competition in every niche (mainstream, hipster, hip hop) and in every venue (house party, bars, clubs) and in every style of attire (suit, casual, hipster).

Thai men don't seem to approach, ever. Your only competition is high-so Thai millionaire playboys with Ferraris and Lamboghinis who will smash you on status. Otherwise, your biggest challenge comes from tourists with game.

Winner: Bangkok (because no competition is good competition).

Ratios

Melbourne's ratios only approach 50/50 in high end establishments because the bouncers play a strict hand. The city in general has bad ratios for nightlife. I have never seen a sausagefest in Bangkok. Bangkok girls openly complain about the high rates of homosexuality for Thai men. Nightlife venues in Bangkok are always roughly even.

Winner: Bangkok

Nightlife Vibe

Both cities have good nightlife. Melbourne has some great clubs and its bar scene is well known. Bangkok has lax smoking laws, later drinking times, and you can buy alcohol in 7/11 to drink on the street. Melbourne has police everywhere. It's greatest weakness is expensive alcohol. A pint of the cheapest beer is $9.

Bangkok can't match the sheer number of cool bars in Melbourne. But Melbourne is only buzzing 3 nights a week: Thurs, Fri and Sat. Bangkok always has something on. Melbourne has the better vibe... until you take alcohol, opening hours and women into consideration, which turn out to be the three most important factors.

Winner: Bangkok

Day Game

Melbourne is oversaturated with daygamers and few get laid from it. In Bangkok it will be the first time she has ever been approached during the day, you can put your house on it.

Winner: Bangkok

Online Game

Both suck equally.

Winner: Who cares?

Beach

You wouldn't think Melbourne would ever win on beaches in a head-to-head comparison but it helps that Bangkok doesn't even have one.

Winner: Melbourne



Restaurants

Bangkok has superb top class restaurants and excellent food in general. But the foodie culture in Melbourne is just too pervasive, too much depth, too strong. It's telling that Melbourne's most popular TV show is Masterchef.

Winner: Melbourne

Parks

Bangkok's parks are noisy, dirty and bland. Humidity is also unpleasant. Melbourne's parks are phenomenal - all of them.

Winner: Melbourne

Architecture

Once the world's wealthiest city, Melbourne paid for its grandiose colonial buildings with gold in the 19th century. Flinders St Station, The State Library of Victoria, the Royal Exhibition Building are striking. Bangkok specialises in the eyesore school of architecture.

Winner: Melbourne

Expense

Bangkok is really expensive if you want it to be. But at least you have a choice.

Winner: Bangkok

Stylistically

Girls in Melbourne dress well and are very fashion conscious. High heels and short dresses at clubs, skinny jeans and tees at bars.

Winner: Melbourne

User Friendliness

An apartment in CBD Melbourne will give you incredible logistical power as the CBD draws 70% of nightlife. Bangkok ties different areas together much better than Melbourne due to the BTS Skytrain which is incredible. Its cheap taxis (and agile motorbike taxis) are also a treat. But Bangkok as a city is too spaced out and the traffic too overwhelming.

Winner: Melbourne

Variety of Girl

Melbourne has huge variety. 34.8% were born overseas. Still, variety is not the same thing as quality.

Winner: Melbourne

Custom Suited Down

Melbourne is definitely not Custom Suited Down turf. It's better to wear a navy blazer or leather jacket. A suit in Bangkok will always look good as long as the fabric can handle the heat.

Winner: Bangkok

Boxing Gyms

One city is the home of Muai Thai. The other is not.

Winner: Bangkok

Sport

G didn't have this on the scorecard but sport is important. Melbourne is perhaps the strongest city for sport pound for pound in the world. This is one reason your male competition in bars is tough. Weather is perfect for rowing, running and all codes of football.

Bangkok is terrible for both viewing or competing in sport.

Winner: Melbourne

Racetracks

One city has a public holiday for one of the world's greatest international races. Around 110,000 people will attend the Spring Racing Carnival. The other does not have such a race.

Winner: Melbourne


Final tally:

Bangkok wins 10-9 over Melbourne (with 1 inconclusive).

So the record stands at 10-9.

Great matchup.

Melbourne fought back strongly after a weak start but in the end Bangkok takes the cake.

I am open for any questions or if you have a new category you want me to assess, let me know.

Discuss.

Post: #2

Melbourne for quality of life and Bangkok for the girls! Nothing new under the sun ;-)

Post: #3

Disagree with the style tally. Bkk girls don't even leave their rooms to go to 711 until they do their makeup and meticulously choose an outfit, which is usually high heels and a dress or skirt. Bkk girls also get points for being able to walk in heels on those shitty Bkk sidewalks.

Post: #4

Am I the only one thinking these are oddly matched for comparison?

BKK could be compared to KL, Singapore, Shanghai, Beijing, Manila and similar typical ex-pat cities. Melbourne however... I don't really see a situation where you chose betweenoone or the other.

Still great data sheet. Even if you should have added some own flavor instead of just copying G's style.

Post: #5

They're in the same region. I thought it would be interesting because they don't neatly overlap. And BKK vs Manila has been done to death already.

Apologies to G for copying his style. A bit lazy on my part.

Post: #6

(08-19-2013 06:54 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Am I the only one thinking these are oddly matched for comparison?

BKK could be compared to KL, Singapore, Shanghai, Beijing, Manila and similar typical ex-pat cities. Melbourne however... I don't really see a situation where you chose betweenoone or the other.

Still great data sheet. Even if you should have added some own flavor instead of just copying G's style.

My thoughts as well. I don't see them as being cities you would choose between.

Good info though. I know very little about Melbourne, or Australia at all for that matter.

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(08-19-2013 01:54 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  Beach

You wouldn't think Melbourne would ever win on beaches in a head-to-head comparison but it helps that Bangkok doesn't even have one.

Winner: Melbourne

Do the beaches in Melbourne really suck?

Post: #8

Well Melbourne beaches suck because they're all within Port Phillip bay and buffeted from the Great Southern Ocean.

But travel down the Great Ocean Rd over the weekend and you're in the hands of the surfing gods.



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Post: #9

(08-19-2013 10:11 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Do the beaches in Melbourne really suck?

Melbourne's immediate coast is Port Philip bay, thus is gets no swell.

Its probably like Chicago's/Cleveland's border on great lakes.

Great to swim, wade and piss fart around, but no good for (body) surfing, etc.

I'm surprised the dude pick the coast to the west of the bay, normally the east side towards Mornington gets better raps.

Edit: No fair I suppose, Torquay and Anglesea are pretty good.

But back to G., Melbourne CBD to Geelong is a 1 hour, $100 cab fare, so they are a fair haul, not really local.

Post: #10

Well you would drive rather than catch a cab.

Locals can be pretty protective of the best spots however. A few pristine "surf sanctuaries" where if you tried to film the swell from the beach a local would probably want to beat you up.

Post: #11

A taxi takes the same time as a cab, I was indicating time rather than method.

My reference was catching a cab from Southern Cross station immediately after Melbourne Cup, had to get to Avalon by 6:30pm and cab was the only means.

G has been to Sydney and stayed in Manly, accessing a good beach just meant crossing the road. You can't do that in Melbourne.

Post: #12

QE:

I appreciate the comparison between BKK and Mebourne b/c I am considering various factors in choosing where to travel and potentially how much time to spend in various cities... especially looking at that part of the world. Even though I appreciate the data and comparisons that you throw down, I get the sense that you may have made sorts of a straw man arguments, like you were planning the results before truly analyzing the data....

Seems like language and/or religion (or at least culture in other respects) should be somehow factored into the comparison. Availability of English and how religion/culture affects experiences.

When you discuss the beach, probably you should not completely rule out Bangkok, even though it is several hours to travel to a beach from BKK.. seems pretty likely, even with that, Melbourne would win b/c the beach in Melbourne is local.

Nonetheless, based on the information that you gave and what i otherwise understand about these locations, i do agree with the end results ... b/c ease of girls and availability of talent would be more important to me than being able to watch sports, for example (and I tend to have a bit of a preference for asians and brunnettes, though I do appreciate good looking and well-mannered blondes when I once in a while run across such) but that's just me. Accordingly, I give more weight to certain factors than other factors - the ease of girls; however, the various points that you make about Melbourne does make Melbourne seem to be a more interesting city than I had initially considered. Thanks for the breakdown, and food for thought.

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(08-22-2013 02:40 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  QE:
I appreciate the comparison between BKK and Mebourne b/c I am considering various factors in choosing where to travel and potentially how much time to spend in various cities... especially looking at that part of the world. Even though I appreciate the data and comparisons that you throw down, I get the sense that you may have made sorts of a straw man arguments, like you were planning the results before truly analyzing the data....

I wasn't planning the results - I basically just copied G's format (same criteria, same order) but threw in sport because I think it's important.

I was actually surprised Melbourne almost drew with Bangkok overall because I prefer Bangkok and appreciate the lifestyle more.

In fact it very almost could have been a draw overall between the two cities as on 1. "local girls" I thought Bangkok lacks too much variety and I wasn't too impressed with the girls I saw there this month compared to previous visits.

I think what would be really interesting though would be this:

Melbourne on $75,000 annual salary

vs.

Bangkok on 50,000THB per month

That is what I wanted to do from the start before I chose to use G's template instead.