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Gents,

It is unlikely that any of you has ever heard of Vijay Prozak. He is the founder of the hilariously named American Nihilist Underground Society (A.N.U.S.). He is a metalhead, nihilist, traditionalist, conservationist, ecofascist, racialist, etc. It is hard to describe his worldview. One thing is for sure, the man is an extremist. That is fine, we are all extremists to the average blue-piller, too.

However, I would never send one of his many articles to a friend or acquaintance. Despite his extremism, his way of looking at life can be very seductive at times. Some of his thoughts on how societies decay are extremely interesting. However, when he talks about science or logic, he mostly talks nonsense.

Today, I will post his article on men on women:

Quote:A baffling aspect of reality that reminds us that our abstract mapping of the world and perceiving agent brains are entrenched in biological reality is sex; like death peeking around a corner, it shows us that for all of our ideals and thoughts starchily removed into the mathematical, orthogonal worlds of logic, we are creatures and of the earth we must be. The sexes divide us into two groups but, contrary to modern "wisdom," also reflect how we think and what we are. In bitter response to Schopenhauer's "Of Women," this article attempts to enumerate the natural wisdom of sexual differentiation and where it might go to avoid the kind of polemic hatred that characterizes both feminism and Schopenhauer's derision of the female.

Women

Let us take a moment to appreciate the beauty of woman. In her non-plasticized state, she is a nurturing antidote to the mania of man for accomplishment of abstract ideas. She does not deal in concepts of what might be, but in a practical bettering of what is; where a man looks to the horizon for his dreams, woman is busy examining what is in her hands and configuring it to be as pleasant as possible. When man comes to her in a state of duress, heartbroken at a failure of some small part of the dream and yet unable to cry, she is the one who empathic cries with him, if even silently, and sings him to sleep. If his dreams become too fantastic, she is the one to nod and point out that the house needs fixing. In its natural state, this is not sabotage (as it might be today), but a reminder that if he works outward from what he has, he might be happier and also clear his mind for the task he seeks. Woman is like man except that where he is deductive, and posits responses to observed tendencies in the world, she is inductive and becomes these tendencies in a bettering form. When the world is on fire and the devil coming up the pipes, it is woman not man who will lead the tribe to prevalence.

In saner times -- not the Christianized years of Europe, when women were viewed as property -- women were not exempt from the warrior tradition. Men as is fitting for projective mental technologies would wage war afar, and defend against the organized assaults on the homeland, but woman was the guardian, the gentle but proficient Athena who guided spears into the hearts of brigands and cutthroats. Where man will reach a point where he is ready for surrender, woman never does surrender by force; she will decide to surrender if it seems apt, and while man is a better gauge of that in most circumstances, she is often more realistic about what bravery can compensate and what it cannot. She is less prone to battle-lust and more prone to cold-eyed extermination, as her nature is practical (no snakes in the house that are not tamed). In her younger years she is idealistic and willing to believe in true love, and the marriages formed by sane people during these years are the most enduring, as they have never compromised their idealism and emotion with bitterness. Where man will tire of the arts of loving in the absence of love, woman will usually not, and will continue to give as she can, being more adept than man at accepting the finity of her lifespan and the inevitability of living decay. If love fails her, she will love herself and her children and seek pleasure in an entirely different category; the two are not linked as they are in men.

Of course, in a time when all things have a price tag on them, man becomes corrupt and starts to view his own sexuality as pleasure, because if everything has a price tag, there must be some way to compare values. Thus in his corruption he spreads this disease to woman and she, defending herself, perceives that there is no love inherent to life and thus seeks pleasure. In this state, women instantly become whores, and while we like to believe that both goddess and whore coexist in one person in the modern time, such ideas produce schizophrenia of a low grade through the indecision and underconfidence of those conjecturing substance where there is none. What leads them into whoredom is the whorelike proposition that we can assign an abstract value to real-world experience, when there is no such single valuation on romantic love or raising a family. Thus woman becomes corrupt, and like a coin with one side blank, becomes empty, and wages war against anything but her pleasure, because pleasure is all she has been left. Schopenhauer's mother, the ambitious society whore, and most of Nietzsche's proposed lovers fall into this category: politicized, plastic women. However, without the insanity of believing in a God outside of the world, this single valuation does not occur, women do not become corrupt, and the castes (intelligence-nobility rankings) remain unmixed.

Men

Much as the penis invites its use as a probe, the man is that which launches into the world, where woman as a recessed genital organism is more focused on her sphere of influence. As a result the male brain operates from impulse to a quasi-scientific response to the world, projecting a counterpart to the natural laws it observes that, if applied, conjecturally seems a logical means to achieve an ideal formed of an ultimate archetype of that impulse. A man seeing cruelty formulates a theory of justice and then struggles to implement it, where a woman simply avoids the source of cruelty. This projective impulse is really the only use of the male, and it is the origin of all reasonable wars and defenses and idealisms; when society becomes plasticized, men lose their idealism and thus begin to seek pleasure, but must justify it and so denigrate reality as a concept in their minds and praise illusion. A man goes from hero to religious lunatic in three seconds if not properly balanced by a woman.

Much has been said about the active role of man versus the submissive role of woman, but this is somewhat delusional in that to be active requires a submissive, and thus must involve an exchange of submissions. In sensible times man submits to woman on emotional questions and regards her as the head of his household. He must guide the family on questions of idealism but she is its preserver, like Pallas Athena, and dispenser of wisdom to keep heroes from running amok into suicidal risks because they have ideals. Men are like children in the hands of women where women are like children in the hands of life. Properly balanced, the two keep each other from either reaching too far or not reaching at all. Not surprisingly, tests reveal that men and women have different sorts of brains: men tend to triumph at rational activities including spatial and mathematical reasoning, while women are better with language and emotional logic (emotion is a form of non-linear logic). This does not apply to every case, but exceptions should be reserved for the exceptional, or the recognition becomes cheap and the result mediocre.

Differentiation

After all, our minds reason, humans are the same at conception and only later are there visible signs of gender differences. However, these differentiated traits are formative and do not confine themselves to the genital and breast area. Women are made with a finer hand and seem to smell better, while males are given sturdier implements of hand and muscle. Nature seems to grant us with more men than women in percentages of births, but this is not insensible as any idealistic creature is going to be prone to moments of dramatic heroism or stupidity ("wouldn't it be cool to strap a rocket to the car?" is a form of primitive idealism) and thus require a few extras to replace the casualties.

Schopenhauer does correctly note that men are better at abstract logic, but it would be foolish to assume this is the only property necessary to experience life. As we as humans are both logical minds and biological selves, we require more than pure abstract logic unless we live Buddha-like in a state of meditation, which might appeal to some but in healthy times seems superfluous. The balancing of male and female traits is intelligent because it guarantees that each has a counterpoint to absorb its extra energy and prevent it from becoming overbearing. Much as we are mind and body, we are man and woman, but both man and woman are both mind and body; this bonds us to a unity of mind and body by giving two views of each which are counterdependent. Men have a certain physical sensibility and an abstract mentality, while women have another of each, and together the two represent a whole view of mind/body relations. Either perspective in excess rapidly falls into the problem of using a single point of approach on too many problems, at which point it becomes predictable and the world responds with something outside its grasp.

All of the above can be said of the sexes in healthy times, and of course we live in an unhealthy time where we are not only unrealistic but in denial of it, thus where our forefathers sewed promising futures we create long-term devastation in exchange for short term gratification. This can be seen in both men and women: men turn inward and women turn outward in inversion of natural roles, but each has by denying its nature substituted for it a cheapened alternative. Men seek ideals within themselves, and lose their sense of optimistic heroism, and women seek physical acts to supplant emotional ones. While Schopenhauer's "Of Women" is a mistake, the entirety of feminism is the same mistake crafted in the pseudo-science of individual politics. Feminism is not about doing right, but about getting as much power for women as can be had, which furthers the permanent alienation of the sexes. Interestingly, if we blame Schopenhauer's terrible relationship with his "modern" mother for his attitudes, we can see that "Of Women" is a direct response to feminism.

One reason this breakdown occurs is that in a time where all things have a linear value outside of their position in the non-linear physical world, we no longer have a way to individually derive value and are dependent on third parties. This results in a lack of love for the world as there is always a controller-controlled relationship to blame when things go wrong, and since our society does not acknowledge its fundamental errors, we are at a sublime level constantly looking for someone to blame. Through the chain of errors that this attitude produces in society, compounded by our search for linear value, most of us have not known love. Our parents view us as possessions to be disciplined so they become promising future properties, and our teachers view us as obligations that might sue; our friends are transient when their parents change jobs. What we know of love is usually physical affection, but just as commonly control; it is no surprise that some sources estimate 40-60% of people have been sexually molested or raped by age 25. No sane society accepts such behavior, but it is convenient for our pornography to have a steady stream of sexually dysfunctional women.

We cannot quash the alienation between the sexes by simply denying "Of Women" or feminism, but by inventing a better alternative, starting with an end to valuing each other as flesh (a product of itself of the one God outside the world, which causes us to assign arbitrary universal single values to things of many values in different contexts). One step in this direction is to de-universalize humans by recognizing the differences between the sexes as not only inherent, but functional and necessary.

Post: #2

Is he an IRT?

Post: #3

He is a virgin.

Post: #4

(03-03-2014 11:18 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  Is he an IRT?

I don't think so. I think he adopted the Indian name "Vijay" because he admires Hinduism. And the reason he admires Hinduism is that in Hinduism time is cyclical, which he believes to be the case. And, moreover, we are going through the last stage, the last yuga, which is the Kali Yuga:

Quote:Hindus believe that human civilization degenerates spiritually during the Kali Yuga, which is referred to as the Dark Age because in it people are as far away as possible from God. (...) Avarice and wrath will be common. Humans will openly display animosity towards each other. Ignorance of dharma will occur. People will have thoughts of murder with no justification and will see nothing wrong in that. Lust will be viewed as socially acceptable and sexual intercourse will be seen as the central requirement of life. Sin will increase exponentially, whilst virtue will fade and cease to flourish. People will take vows and break them soon after. People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks and drugs. Gurus will no longer be respected and their students will attempt to injure them. Their teachings will be insulted, and followers of Kama will wrest control of the mind from all human beings. Brahmans will not be learned or honored, Kshatriyas will not be brave, Vaishyas will not be just in their dealings.

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The whole Hindu caste system is mostly bullshit. It's just a way for one tribe to protect their racket against all the other tribes by claiming that they are the people who are spiritually evolved to do it.

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(03-03-2014 11:27 PM)Menace Wrote:  He is a virgin.

Possible, but extremely unlikely, imho.

Just the other day I was talking to an old friend who is a player, and what he said was very similar, eerily similar, to what Prozak wrote in this article. Which is why I was reminded of this article in the first place.

The virgin's pain is different. The virgin imagines that there's a heaven on Earth from which he was banned. And if only he managed to have sex with a sexy female, he would have access to that heaven...

The jaded former player's pain is much more interesting. Once you played the field and burned out, you may not have any idea where to go next. Make money? What for, if everything you build is ephemeral? Get married and have kids? How?? How can one trust women after realizing how easy it is to bed women who are in "serious" relationships?

The virgin's pain is "paradise denied", whereas the jaded former player's pain is "paradise lost". Once in a while on RVF, a jaded player talks about his "paradise lost", and those are some of the most interesting threads. We often talk about the "red pill loneliness", how one cannot relate to most people because most people are blue pill. But the most extreme loneliness is the loneliness of the red-piller who wishes he could go back to being a blue-piller, since he can relate to neither blue-pillers NOR red-pillers.

One sees girls one knows from college wasting their 20s while riding the cock carousel, one warns them and they don't listen, then they wake up in their early 30s and go suicidal... and then one meets younger girls and sees them go through the exact same process. If it was a comedy at first, after a few times it becomes a tragedy. Why can't there be a strong culture to guide young people? Because culture does not sell, and today only that which is profitable does not perish. And off to the slaughterhouse go the lambs...

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(03-04-2014 10:27 AM)j r Wrote:  The whole Hindu caste system is mostly bullshit.

It is important to distinguish between principle and implementation.

In principle, a properly designed caste system is interesting and desirable because it promotes assortative mating: high-IQ men marry high-IQ women and have high-IQ children, and male olympic athletes marry female olympic athletes and have athletic children. If a high-IQ male marries a female athlete, their children may be neither intelligent nor athletic, however.

It's like breeding horses. You don't mix horses who are specialized for different tasks, do you? Usually, you don't... but there's also hybrid vigor. Of course, if you overdo things, you will have inbreeding, which is undesirable. But careful breeding can produce superior specimens.

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Surprised that anyone else here knew about anus.com. It was pretty much the only "red pill" place on the internet when I discovered the site by looking for music reviews about 12 years ago.

Some of the stuff that the manosphere has only "discovered" in the past few years was on anus in the 90s.

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(03-04-2014 06:22 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  Some of the stuff that the manosphere has only "discovered" in the past few years was on anus in the 90s.

What kind of stuff are you referring to? I am genuinely curious.

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You can dig through the site to find specifics because I'm doing this from memory and I haven't looked at the site in years, but here goes:

-How the concept of Hollywood love is false and a lot of modern relationships just don't work. The idealized "love" in media doesn't match up with how people act in real life. (Also how most pop culture music and TV that portrays this is garbage).

-Nietzsche's philosophy about how people generally act out of self-interest and organized religion is no longer useful in our time period

-Certain strands of traditionalism where living closer to our natural conditions is better than chaotic modern living

-The concept that nature matters more than nurture which was picked up by Roissy and a lot of the HBD crowd

If you go through the site for awhile you should be able to find all of this.

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(03-04-2014 06:41 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  How the concept of Hollywood love is false and a lot of modern relationships just don't work. The idealized "love" in media doesn't match up with how people act in real life.

A good example is this article. An excerpt:

Quote:I'm all for love, and where needed, marriage. Marriage is the commitment to make a lifetime of a love, as one will most probably be creating new life forms merged of the parents. Love is what happens when one finds someone else one respects enough to wish literally union in the form of one's irreplaceable time and possibly spawn. If you look at the process of breeding, it's quite romantic: We work, so let Another be made of Us. My warmth and heartspirit goes out to you teenage lovers; may your idealism never die. It goes out to the older couples who've lived through everything and made it work, should they still have tenderness for each other. And most of all, it goes out to my generation, you intrepid 27-35s, who think you know what you should have and are trying to copy the image from TV screen to life.

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(03-04-2014 06:22 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  Surprised that anyone else here knew about anus.com. It was pretty much the only "red pill" place on the internet when I discovered the site by looking for music reviews about 12 years ago.

Some of the stuff that the manosphere has only "discovered" in the past few years was on anus in the 90s.

I stumbled onto the website back when I was in middle school and was just starting to get into metal. To be honest I remember being pretty scared while reading on there but I kept going back. It was also the first time I had really been exposed to these traditionalist, reactionary ideas that you see in the Dark Enlightenment/neo-monarchy part of the manosphere these days.

Remember when Vijay used to troll under the screen name 'infoterror' back in the early to mid 2000s?

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Hah, trip down memory lane. I discovered his album reviews a few years back; somewhere in his twisted word salad album reviews, there is a mind that is seeking something more in music than to be told how to feel. Even if I disagreed with his take on an album, it made me think more about why and how i am listening to music.

Just did a search from my notes back in the day and found these "red pill" thoughts from the forum:

"""
Comment 1:
Metalheads need to spend their time:
(a) reading
(b) being effective
© physical, real activity
Too much TV and directionless, productionless internet use makes anyone a useless parasite.

Comment 2:
Even though most people get huffy and lash out when this subject arises, they would be very pleased to find how much avoiding television/movies/other media can improve one's life. It helps you open your eyes to things that no one else sees and allows you to immerse yourself in things like the overall phenomenon of reality/consciousness...and so much more. The greatest reward anyone can give themselves is to turn away from these instruments of stagnation..

There is no such thing as an unbaised documentary (blitzkrieg), news program, etc. They only seek to justify the sickness rampant in modern society and allow no room for practical thought to occur as they only cater to one's emotions and elicit responses to trivial things.

You'll only see, hear, and feel what they want you to experience.. everything else is locked away in places most people are too lazy to look.


Comment 3:
I don't see a need for film or video because they replace imagination with concrete images. For this reason, I'm going to have to say the popularity of the novel over the theatrical form -- replacing it in Shakespeare's time -- is not an accident.
"""

And just for old times' sake:

The Slaughter of the Soul review:

"For most At the Gates listeners, this album will seem a favorite until they hear it ten years from now in the context of other At the Gates works, when it will stand revealed as a transparent commercial album made to pander to the segment of the metal audience who want the predictable disguised as the unique for the sake of fashion."

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(03-04-2014 10:27 AM)j r Wrote:  The whole Hindu caste system is mostly bullshit. It's just a way for one tribe to protect their racket against all the other tribes by claiming that they are the people who are spiritually evolved to do it.

I think you actually need to read more into it rather than just saying 'bullshit'.