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Wednesday night. RCA, Bangkok

How can the night be summed up? Some main parts:

a) Last night I number-closed a girl and arranged a date for 6pm at Coco Walk. At 3:30pm it's on. At 4:30pm I'm told that she "only has 100 Baht in her wallet and forgot to go to the ATM". I see this as a blatant 'gold-digging' attempt and this stance is confirmed by her reiterations of "this is the last night I'm free until the 15th April". NEXT.

b) I go out. I'm not massively in 'the zone' in comparison to other nights. I go for a fag, get talking to a Singaporean guy that seems cool and decide to wing with him for the night.

c) I'm in the dancing area, some girl is keen in response to my approach. I dance with her, leave it there and plan to return after another fag. I look round on the way out and see the Singaporean desperately undercutting me for her number.

d) I pass two Korean girls. After two openers they still stare at the wall like I'm not even there. Man I hate Koreans.

e) Approach two different Koreans. Much nicer and receptive. Then the Singaporean dude turns up and completely demolishes all progress with one sentence. They visibly turn from attracted to disgusted.

f) I go back in the dancing area alone. I start dancing with a different girl. We dance dirty and make out. Meanwhile, my right shoulder is blocking out the Singaporean guy on his return and my left shoulder is blocking out a white dude who's trying to muscle in. All the way through his approach I'm sexy-dancing with the girl. Her friend helps to block both of them bizarrely, at one point she actively grabs the phone from the white dude's hand and shove's it back in his chest.

g) Making out on the dancefloor and closing. It's on. But of course, it isn't. After her shit-tests, we're leaving hand-in-hand. Her friend gives the 'green light' "Have fun you guys". Two metres from the exit, the girl needs more validation that she isn't a slut "I want to stay here for a bit longer!!!!"

h) I sigh very obviously. "Gahhh, fine, let's stay for the next damn song! so we're going over there are we :/?". An occurrence that has happened before. Sometimes I feel like a Premiership goalkeeper in stoppage time, you get one final test before you can leave. It all fell apart, and I couldn't be arsed to fight for it beyond 'reasonable shit-test'. She started having a tantrum, from there I just thought "*sigh*, 'NEXT' it is then, after all that"

So yeah, where am I going with this? Well, one year ago I properly got into 'the game'

I was never absolutely terrible with women, and never needed 'extreme divine intervention' or anything, but this time last year I'd moved to Taipei (from Korea) and wanted more vagina. This forum helped me tremendously, and I'd like to reflect on the past year.

I used to pull about three or four girls a year. I'd go out drinking with the lads, would hit the dance floor, and I'd pull every now and then.

Past year, I've rolled solo and have pulled cold from the club well over 20 times. It's weird to think that one year ago I approached 'Luxy' suited up, walked up to the entrance, turned around and went home because I was too nervous to go in alone .

Now, I get the initial hate, totally, I've been in Asia the past year, 'doesn't count', right?. But truthfully, Britain was WAY easier. I do maintain that I predominantly bang 7's and 'good girls' (yeah I know, that term is complete bullshit). I really don't think this is the account of a guy who shores prostitutes and bangs farang-groupies and is having a fun time 'gaming on easy mode'. I'm picky, to the point where others think I have low libido and I stand on a plinth. I do maintain that 99% of non-RVF dudes guys are banging 5's and 6's here and I do maintain that I've turned down plenty in this category. I'm not trying to act like a big shot though, I don't bang 8's either as I still have a long way to go before I get to that stage.

Anyway, I'd like to share what I've learnt. Most of it is stuff we already know, stuff that Roosh has said YEARS ago, but it's good to look back and confirm it's absolutely legit. This may all have been covered before, but I mean this post with the best of intentions. Here's what I've found:

1) NO ONE CARES that you're alone

No one gives a shit. Let's count the number of times I've been shit-tested by fellow guys that I'm alone: ZERO. Honestly.

And as for girls, well it really isn't that high. Agree and amplify and no one has EVER shit-tested me beyond a general observation.

No one cares. REALLY. Next time you go out, actively look for guys who are on their own. You'll notice about ten. I'm adamant. And you won't feel anything either way.

Well, with the cooler looking guys you'll think 'ah there's some cool dude chilling over there, anyway, where's my beer gone?'. With the dorky guys you'll think 'ah there's some dork chilling over there, anyway, where's my beer gone?'. Nothing much either way. No one cares. No one gives a shit unless you do something very obviously out-right retarded.

And if you feel awkward, grab a beer and stay PUT somewhere. I always feel 50% less awkward with a drink in my hand for some reason.

2) DO NOT make friends with ANY guys in the club

They will fuck you over, no exceptions. You can only ever roll with a fellow guy who's experienced the same 'abundance mentality' with girls as you (Enter RVF members!). Every other guy will feel like the night is an anomaly. They will do everything to leech off your approach and steal the girl.

Even if that isn't the case, 99% of the time you're just better off approaching on your own rather than babysitting and having a dude fuck up your approaches.

Note: Every time I'm not 'in the zone' I'll talk to some guy to try and help me back up. Whilst they usually help give me an energy boost, every time I regret it! I'll usually start approaching more in response to this and will then want the guy to fuck off. One year on I've still not learnt my bloody lesson!

3) Don't Peacock. Dress Well.

I've had my peacocking stage. I became pretty infamous in Taipei as 'that dude with the shirt braces/white jeans etc'. Don't peacock. Get a shirt that fits, some pants that fit and nice shoes. I've found that it's good to still have that 'plausible innocence'.

Whilst my often garish look in Taipei categorically DID result in some easy bangs, it made a lot of girls instantly know what I was about (and in the wrong way, weirdly).

It's always gonna be attractive to seem like you're desirable to other women. But it's not good to seem like you're doing the same routine as you did last week. Girls are pretty observant here, to give them credit.

4) Gay guys are fantastic

If you find a gay guy with some girls, my god, win them over and you're set. They essentially do all the work for you. No 'mother-hen management' required from here and minimal escalation effort. They'll push the girl to go with you. Some of my easiest bangs have been the result of gay guys helping me out.

5) Have a dance

Dance floor game is a good place to start for game. Just walk on, be cheeky, dance and move towards girls. You'll get a make-out easily, providing your confident.

I did dance floor game for ages. Then I started actually talking to girls. Good place to start and build confidence up IMO. I REALLY miss dance-floor game, it's not that apparent in Bangkok.

6) Groups of two

Maybe this is obvious as hell. But I'm looking back at my 'bang' document on word (I'm a real card, I know). 95% of the time the bang came from approaching a two-some of girls.

I actually prefer approaching groups of 3/4 when alone as it throws them off guard, but approaching a two-some is the way to success. Looking back at this actually has me pretty surprised as I've always maintained that approached groups of three is the way to go, evidently not, the results speak for themselves.

7) Set and Setting

It's been done to death, but the pre-drink is as important as the real thing. My minds not personally up to it unless I've blasted out two hours of Limp Bizkit or something. We all have our routines I'm sure.

8) Use game books sparingly

A copy of Bang is probably all you need. Rest should be 'first-hand' experience.

There are books on Kino, books on Last-Minute Resistance, books on Shit-Tests and books on 'Conversation'. I'm absolutely not a game-denialist but I see a lot of these as unnecessary.

Just truly believe you're the real deal. It's absolutely easier said than done I know. There was some quote the other day where a poster essentially said that game effectively "emulates how a true alpha acts naturally". I agree with that.

I went through a phase of acting 'James-Bond' and thinking "This is the part of the conversation where I must now say this line". The fundamentals of game are INCREDIBLY important, but don't 'over-think'.

9) You're doing well

This is an odd one. But really, you're doing so much better than any other guy who isn't on this forum.

MANY times I've heard stories from work colleagues and friends out here about the girls they've pulled, the booty-calls they have and attention they've got in a club. Admittedly it used to make me feel jealous and doubt my progress.

But without fail, EVERY time I've investigated I've found out that 7 was a 5 and that 'mad attention' the guy was getting for his new shirt was actually just a questionable look from a girl at the other end of the room. Really, you're doing damn well to roll solo so give yourself a pat on the back!

Post: #2

(03-26-2014 06:21 PM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  6) Groups of two

Maybe this is obvious as hell. But I'm looking back at my 'bang' document on word (I'm a real card, I know). 95% of the time the bang came from approaching a two-some of girls.

I actually prefer approaching groups of 3/4 when alone as it throws them off guard, but approaching a two-some is the way to success. Looking back at this actually has me pretty surprised as I've always maintained that approached groups of three is the way to go, evidently not, the results speak for themselves.

How are you not, in 2 sets, getting cockblocked without a wing? It's pretty hard to do, at least in California. Are you roping in a guy for the other girl?

Post: #3

Great post. The only gay guy I know personally is my step-brother. He is constantly hanging out with different hot women, and everyone knows him. I imagine befriending gay guys would help tremendously in breaking into social circles, not just with women.

On average, would you say that westerners in Asia dress much worse than those at home? I picture seeing nothing but flip flops, huge cargo shorts and back backs once I get to SEA.

Post: #4

@leighton

Well written post and its good to see you reflect on your progress. Additionally its important to realize compared to most guys you are leaps beyond what they are doing.

The funny thing about clubs perhaps more so in Thailand are the ammount of guys who dont do any type of approaches or dance with women. They just stand there with their buddys sipping drinks all night. This makes no sense to me as why even go out if your just standing around but never underestimate most guys level of approach anxiety even with alcohol.

IMO the only thing limiting you from 8s is language skills as I believe hotter chicks have less reason to study/work hard in general and taking the time to learn english is something they more often willl avoid doing since they can coast on their looks alone. Once you learn Thai however you will put yourself in an elite niche of being a young farang with game that also speaks Thai.

Post: #5

Great post LB. Thoroughly enjoyed it!

Post: #6

This was a good read Leighton! This post prolonged my breakfast with another cup of coffee.
Keep on delivering!

Post: #7

Leighton, I have to tell you that I've thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts here on RVF. You express yourself very well and you sound very intelligent.

One of the most interest posts I've read on RVF so far was your Ultimate Taipei Datasheet. I've actually been to Taipei before and I cannot express how accurate that datasheet is.

Regarding rolling solo in clubs/bars, I completely agree that it's not a big deal. When I was in Asia, literally nobody cared that I was at a venue by myself. I only recall a couple of times being asked "so who are you here with?"

Even in Australia you'll see quite a few guys going to clubs/bars by themselves, so for us Australians it's not a big deal at all.

However, I know that for most Europeans going to a club/venue may be extremely frightening, as riding solo is just something that the locals generally don't do in Europe.

Anyway, keep up the great work and hope you're tearing up Thailand!

Post: #8

Excellent post Leighton, I've been to Bangkok twice and neither time done it properly cos I was with someone who restricted where we could go (due to money) so just hung out at Kho San Road which isn't really my style. Only really gone solo once before to Bali (only cos the chick I was going to meet turned out to be psycho so I ditched her) and it definitely makes you push yourself harder, in the end I picked up one of my best chicks to date. So am going to make more effort to go solo and check out other parts of Asia myself rather try and rely on the comfort zone of fellow wingmen

Making friend with other dudes in the club I would probably differ as for me it really helps me get into state having a bit of banter with guys and also you never know who you might meet. Often it's been a super cool dude who invited me onto another happening party somewhere. But I also have met the occasional set leech as well who tries to undercut you at any opportunity. But I just cut those fuckers loose, tho they often stick to you cos you are getting a lot of female attention. But in that case I either bounce from the venue without saying and going somewhere else or fight fire with fire and tell girls 'hey I met this weird guy I'm trying to get away from...' when I meet them so he is already blown out when he tries to cut your grass. Just my opinion and experience tho

Definitely agree with the gay guy thing, can be the best wingmen ever as exactly as you say. Almost always will be with hot girls and almost always will set you up with a warm intro. Just have to tolerate them coming onto you and trying to 'covert' you. which can be awkward

The group of two thing, I also agree. This is the real difference with Asian chicks vs UK for me. In the UK you pretty much have to battle the friend who will be doing everything to wreck it for you (as doesn't want to be on her own and face the fact her friend got a guy and she didn't), while in Asia chicks friend go out of their way to help you two hook up. Really is amazing sometimes. What I would also add is that I have on a few occasions got off with both chicks at the same time, often doing a 3 way make out (which really is awesome btw). Although technically not managed a threesome yet I have come mighty fucking close. On two occasions had 3 and then 2 girls in my bed making out and playing around with both/all 3 but both times I only ended up banged the one. Again, something I would find almost impossible to pull off in the UK

Again, good post and I will be following your other posts with interest. I'll definitely be back over to Bangkok and got a couple of chicks there. I'll drop you a line to hook up for a beer if you fancy

Post: #9

Great post, Leighton. Solid advice that will help me I'm sure.

Post: #10

+1- Great to see you maturing bro. I remember your first couple posts on Taipei. Props on coming full circle.

@Sugar- there is an easy way to do it. Engage girl A and girl B, but slowly put more attention on the girl you like. Subtle but effective. If your girl likes you, its easy peasy. If she likes you but girl B is a cocklbock, then just pull her aside and grab the digits and then play the long-game (or the "oh, hey you again! Why are you following me around *wink*--- if you see her later in the night)

Post: #11

(03-26-2014 10:02 PM)bacon Wrote:  IMO the only thing limiting you from 8s is language skills as I believe hotter chicks have less reason to study/work hard in general and taking the time to learn english is something they more often willl avoid doing since they can coast on their looks alone. Once you learn Thai however you will put yourself in an elite niche of being a young farang with game that also speaks Thai.

I agree, speaking the language makes it much easier. But from my experience the reason is another one, as most hot girls are usually well educated and do speak good English. It is more that you move from an outcast, who can barely order his own food, to a normal member of the society.

Post: #12

Bump for being a great thread.

Being able to go out on your own to pull chicks builds an inner confidence that is hard to describe to a man who hasn't been out in the trenches himself.

Post: #13

Since this has been bumped from a over two years ago, I thought I'd comment briefly.

It's interesting looking back at this. I actually cringe at a lot of it if I'm honest. There's some stuff here that I actually disagree with, don't care for these days, or laugh at.

It's important to remember that everything we read is written at a time when information is incomplete.

Back then, as a hyper 23-year-old I was running around looking for pussy, with a very clear PUA influence (you can see it in the language I used. These days I would never talk like that lol, highly embarrassing!)

As a 25-year-old, I now have two more years of life experience.  Part of me misses my old, hyper self, but a lot of me enjoys how relaxed I've become, and how I'm more able to enjoy life in different ways. Weirdly, I bang much higher quality than the old days, and with less effort (though I do speak Thai decently). I also don't go to clubs that much these days.

I'd tell my younger self that the balance of happiness is achieved through a combination of having sex with attractive women, doing a rewarding job, regular beach visits, good food, listening to metal, not living in England and sunny weather.

To use some old PUA language, Inner game is the answer!

Post: #14

Amen to everything you've said. I've had virtually the exact same experience over the past couple of years as well.