Post: #26

Out of curiosity, is anybody who is currently learning Arabic planning on using it to game women (or just for business)? If so, where are the hotspots for gaming Arabic speaking women?

Post: #27

(04-03-2014 03:44 AM)Biologist Wrote:  Out of curiosity, is anybody who is currently learning Arabic planning on using it to game women (or just for business)? If so, where are the hotspots for gaming Arabic speaking women?

if you speak arabic, even just basic arabic it's a huge help when gaming local women..... Lebanon is great but you can game arab women anywhere.... have had success in Palestine, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria

Post: #28

Now is the time to study Arabic in Egypt. The political news has scared off all of the wimps and you get private or almost private lessons for the price of a group class.

Post: #29

(05-03-2014 11:19 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Now is the time to study Arabic in Egypt. The political news has scared off all of the wimps and you get private or almost private lessons for the price of a group class.

Excellent point.

Not just Egypt, but Yemen also. Yemen used to have (or still has?) a respected language academy in Sana'a, but I'm not sure of its status at the moment. Political turbulence over the past few years may have caused its student numbers to dwindle.

I expect when the mess in Syria begins to be cleaned up, there may be opportunities there also.

Post: #30

(03-27-2014 05:02 PM)ATTA Wrote:  I'd like to start a thread that focuses primarily on the Arabic language.

Please post if anyone has any programs/classes, studying techniques, or thoughts on learning Arabic. I'll start by adding stuff that has helped me out and continue to do so as time permits.

Do you love participating in arabic culture? Do you greatly prefer the women over other types and believe it essential they don't speak english? I spent two years learning arabic in my early twenties and got to a basic conversational level but ultimately found the ROI not worth the effort. I chose to focus on spanish and brazilian port (to which my answer to the first two questions is yes) and have never regretted it.

If speaking arabic is important enough for you to sustain the required effort over time then it should be a high enough priority for you to relocate to a country where you can 'live' the language. I went as native as one can possibly go in the Bashteel neighborhood of Giza, had some amazing experiences but ultimately the language/culture/women was not my passion.    

Post: #31

One more note on the women of that region from my experience in Egypt, Iraq and Kuwait: They do NOT age well whatsoever. Lots of cute young girls. Lots of frumpy haggard housewives >25yo. Blame it on a combination of not exercising, marrying young, diminished incentive and ability to maintain themselves and genetics. Any potential buyers beware, much better to only test drive or short-term lease.

Post: #32

(05-03-2014 02:50 PM)RagnarD Wrote:  One more note on the women of that region from my experience in Egypt, Iraq and Kuwait: They do NOT age well whatsoever. Lots of cute young girls. Lots of frumpy haggard housewives >25yo. Blame it on a combination of not exercising, marrying young, diminished incentive and ability to maintain themselves and genetics. Any potential buyers beware, much better to only test drive or short-term lease.

Yes, pretty true of Cairo. Not many well maintained older women like Paris, NYC or Madrid. Which is a problem for me at my age.

Extra weight overall is a problem. I see many facially pretty women who need to lose 20 kg. Generally, the faces are nice. I've seen some 8-9 stunners in Mohandeseen. 60-70% of women in hijabs niqabs and scarves, in some upscale venues in parts of town like Mohandeseen and Zamalek that drops to close to zero. Not a big deal; I had a date with a woman with a scarf.

One odd thing: Lots of relationship drama out in public. In two weeks I've seen six couples fighting or having a drama in public. Women crying, guy pleading. Girl trying to hit guy, guy restraining girl by wrists. Girls running away, guys chasing. That kind of thing, don't know what it says about Egyptian relationships.

So far I'm pleased by Cairo. It looks like shit - literally almost all buildings are a dull brown - from a distance, but close up at street level and inside places it's colorful and interesting. People are very friendly, I've been spontaneously welcomed by people in the street. Of course I get approached for the perfume shops, etc., downtown.

Post: #33

(05-03-2014 02:45 PM)RagnarD Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 05:02 PM)ATTA Wrote:  I'd like to start a thread that focuses primarily on the Arabic language.

Please post if anyone has any programs/classes, studying techniques, or thoughts on learning Arabic. I'll start by adding stuff that has helped me out and continue to do so as time permits.

Do you love participating in arabic culture? Do you greatly prefer the women over other types and believe it essential they don't speak english? I spent two years learning arabic in my early twenties and got to a basic conversational level but ultimately found the ROI not worth the effort. I chose to focus on spanish and brazilian port (to which my answer to the first two questions is yes) and have never regretted it.

If speaking arabic is important enough for you to sustain the required effort over time then it should be a high enough priority for you to relocate to a country where you can 'live' the language. I went as native as one can possibly go in the Bashteel neighborhood of Giza, had some amazing experiences but ultimately the language/culture/women was not my passion.

At the moment, I don't have the luxury of leaving The States. Otherwise I would love to go to Lebanon or something.

I would say Arab culture is a "passion" of mine though.

Post: #34

Bump. I'm thinking about learning Arabic.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #35

How different the Arabic in Northern Africa from Arabic in the Middle East?

Post: #36

I learned Arabic by being around Lebanese speakers. I would say my Arabic is at a high school level.

The regional dialect is what is different comparing different areas. The easiest Arabic to understand in my opinion is with those who are Lebanese. Once I start conversing with others from UAE , Iraq , Yemen regional dialect comes into play and I have to have them slow it down.

Also It seems that the least formal Arabic is spoken by Lebanese while other countries mentioned above speak more formal Arabic.

I would compare it to Mexican
( less formal ) Spanish versus Colombian / Spain Spanish.

Post: #37

How proficient does one need to be in Arabic to get a job relating to the language? I'm learning it right now in college. Might be cool to become a translator or something like that.

Post: #38

Well, I was in Morocco for about a semester and a half. Decided to focus on Modern Standard Arabic, as I figured that the local darija dialect would be useless for reading and writing as soon as I stepped out of the country - and I was dead-on right about that, too. I progressed to intermediate spoken level before I left, but I'm pathetic when it comes to reading and writing.

Not in school right now, so it isn't a given that I'm going to continue taking Arabic classes. Should I just pick a dialect and stick to it? I don't know how screwed I am going to be on resources if I just stick to Modern Standard.

Thanks for the children's books, ATTA. I brought a few back with me from Casablanca but they're all religious stories that were at least four semesters above me.

Post: #39

I studied Arabic (MSA) for 3 years at university. I'm not yet 'fluent', and it's been a while since I've used it so I'm pretty rusty, but with a lot of effort I outperformed the native speakers in my class in terms of grades, also in part because their knowledge of colloquial Arabic made learning MSA more confusing (many of the words in MSA vs colloquial are the same in terms of their consonantal root but vary slightly in terms of 1 or two vowels). At my best I was able to read newspapers and books with occasional recourse to a dictionary (more than occasional when reading literature or poetry).
We used the alkitaab series, which I recommend. I also strongly recommend the following three books:

The Hans Wehr dictionary of modern written Arabic
- foundational book, still considered the best dictionary out there. The only issue is that it hasn't been updated in a while so a lot of modern vocabulary is missing; the following book helps fill in those gaps.

A Frequency Dictionary of Arabic: Core Vocabulary for Learners (by Tim Buckwalter and Dilworth Parkinson)
- after you've memorised all the words in this book you'll find reading newspapers and watching the news SO much easier

Modern Literary Arabic: A Reference Grammar (by Ron Buckley)
-the best Arabic grammar book I've seen, very comprehensive and cites many contextualised examples from literature

Post: #40

(02-11-2017 06:11 PM)stugatz Wrote:  Well, I was in Morocco for about a semester and a half. Decided to focus on Modern Standard Arabic, as I figured that the local darija dialect would be useless for reading and writing as soon as I stepped out of the country - and I was dead-on right about that, too. I progressed to intermediate spoken level before I left, but I'm pathetic when it comes to reading and writing.

Not in school right now, so it isn't a given that I'm going to continue taking Arabic classes. Should I just pick a dialect and stick to it? I don't know how screwed I am going to be on resources if I just stick to Modern Standard.

Thanks for the children's books, ATTA. I brought a few back with me from Casablanca but they're all religious stories that were at least four semesters above me.

How was your experience out there? I did a similar program in Rabat. If you want conversation practice, I would recommend hitting up Italki.com for some language tutors and conversation partners. The Arab conversation partners are pretty flakey, but you can get a dependable tutor for 7-8 dollars per session.

By any chance, was your program also infested with libtards? I have no clue why bleeding heart white women love the Arab world so much, since most guys see them as pieces of meat, but my program was chock full of them. I had a weird dynamic where I loved my classes (great teachers), loved learning the language, and had a great time travelling the country, but my classmates who I had to spend hours with were ATROCIOUS people. Plus, food in Rabat is awful -- was Casablanca better?

Post: #41

(02-11-2017 06:57 PM)Agastya Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 06:11 PM)stugatz Wrote:  Well, I was in Morocco for about a semester and a half. Decided to focus on Modern Standard Arabic, as I figured that the local darija dialect would be useless for reading and writing as soon as I stepped out of the country - and I was dead-on right about that, too. I progressed to intermediate spoken level before I left, but I'm pathetic when it comes to reading and writing.

Not in school right now, so it isn't a given that I'm going to continue taking Arabic classes. Should I just pick a dialect and stick to it? I don't know how screwed I am going to be on resources if I just stick to Modern Standard.

Thanks for the children's books, ATTA. I brought a few back with me from Casablanca but they're all religious stories that were at least four semesters above me.

How was your experience out there? I did a similar program in Rabat. If you want conversation practice, I would recommend hitting up Italki.com for some language tutors and conversation partners. The Arab conversation partners are pretty flakey, but you can get a dependable tutor for 7-8 dollars per session.

By any chance, was your program also infested with libtards? I have no clue why bleeding heart white women love the Arab world so much, since most guys see them as pieces of meat, but my program was chock full of them. I had a weird dynamic where I loved my classes (great teachers), loved learning the language, and had a great time travelling the country, but my classmates who I had to spend hours with were ATROCIOUS people. Plus, food in Rabat is awful -- was Casablanca better?

I actually got those storybooks in Casablanca and my program was in Rabat. (I felt there was far more variety in Casablanca with shopping for books and everything else, but you wouldn't get harassed as much as you would in Marrakesh or Tangier.)

As for my program's political affiliation, oh yes, it was infested with virtue-signaling libtards, the majority of them born and raised in the DC area - quite a few from the (((New York City))) area, too, complete with the DeBlasio politics. A number of hijabbed American-born "Muslims" were in my program, too, so they'd claim to be devout just long enough to drink four nights a week and sleep with locals. The only somewhat sane students in my program were the students from the military academy at West Point, and even they were shaky. I had to make friends with locals, live at the gym, and read constantly to keep my head together.

You're spot on about the food in Rabat being terrible, I got food poisoning three times. There were some very nice restaurants if you looked, though, and the Spanish food improved the closer you got to Spain. (Anything Italian was usually inedible.)

Post: #42

Oh - weird coincidence, though. I ate escargot off of those carts right by the old medina in central Rabat almost twice a week during the last few months of living there, and never got sick once. Figure *that* shit out.

Post: #43

(03-28-2014 02:09 AM)spalex Wrote:  I was taught a bit in the Army for about 6 months....

Then when we got there, the Afghan National Army guys told us it was all wrong. The only word we could say correctly was "stop"

That's when I gave up.

They dont speak Arabic there, they speak pashto and dari. But they do have several loan words and use a few arabic characters.

Post: #44

(02-11-2017 06:11 PM)stugatz Wrote:  Plus, food in Rabat is awful -- was Casablanca better?

Apologize for interfering.

Rabat is the equivalent of Washington DC, an administrative city where most of the government headquarters and embassies are based. Plenty of folks got a bad vibe from it and I can only support that fact. People are weird, and the city is well known for a crazy habit. That is, if you would ask for directions, you'll get the wrong ones and get lost; although that place you're seeking is two blocks away. I call them the psychopaths of the country.

Regarding Casa, it's an hour drive from "sickcity" and has many similarities with LA, you'll spot many palm trees as you're cruising it, and has the best venues in the country along with Marrakech. You can eat for the cheap here, but you only need to spot the hidden gems; and for that purpose you'll have to ask the locals. I strongly recommend the local cuisine as it is well varied, and amongst the top 10 in the world.

Regarding "Darija" or moroccan dialect, it's a tough one to learn and won't be helpful or understood in other parts of the MENA region.The only motive for you to acquire it would be if you're planning to stay on the long term here.

Post: #45

(02-13-2017 09:09 PM)Euphoric_Breeze Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 06:11 PM)stugatz Wrote:  Plus, food in Rabat is awful -- was Casablanca better?

Apologize for interfering.

Rabat is the equivalent of Washington DC, an administrative city where most of the government headquarters and embassies are based. Plenty of folks got a bad vibe from it and I can only support that fact. People are weird, and the city is well known for a crazy habit. That is, if you would ask for directions, you'll get the wrong ones and get lost; although that place you're seeking is two blocks away. I call them the psychopaths of the country.

Regarding Casa, it's an hour drive from "sickcity" and has many similarities with LA, you'll spot many palm trees as you're cruising it, and has the best venues in the country along with Marrakech. You can eat for the cheap here, but you only need to spot the hidden gems; and for that purpose you'll have to ask the locals. I strongly recommend the local cuisine as it is well varied, and amongst the top 10 in the world.

Regarding "Darija" or moroccan dialect, it's a tough one to learn and won't be helpful or understood in other parts of the MENA region.The only motive for you to acquire it would be if you're planning to stay on the long term here.

I liked Rabat as a city. Beautiful weather when it's not raining, right next the ocean, interesting medina, some cool historical sites. The Kasbah de Oudaias is pretty cool, as is the big church in Tour Hassan. Plus tons of hot women thanks to the universities, though I'm sure Casablanca gives it a run for it's money. Plus Agdal is relatively clean and orderly, especially compared to a shithole like the old city of Marrakesh. The biggest problem was the food, I can't tell you how many times I ordered something and it straight up tasted like garbage. I don't understand how Moroccans have so utterly failed to develop any kind of a restaurant culture. I lived in other Arab countries and they were nowhere near as bad.

Darija is interesting, I personally like the way it sounds, and the grammar constructions aren't that hard. I would say that it's best learned if you're Intermediate or better at MSA, otherwise it's a clusterfuck of a dialect that will just confuse you. Its real importance comes through when it comes to the Moroccan people, and especially the women. Moroccans are fantastic people by and large, I had people invite me over for lunch when I met them while camping in the wilderness -- completely random strangers would call me over, cook for me, and make me welcome. I was also able to go on a trek in the Anti-Atlas mountains and stay in an isolated Berber village. Both would have been impossible to do if I didn't speak Darija. Moroccan women are hot as fuck as well. Difficult to spit game regardless thanks to the Islamic influence, but definitely easier if you speak their dialect.

Overall, if you can find some way to get good food and good internet, Morocco offers great bang for your buck as a vacation destination, especially compared to other Islamic countries. Turkey and Lebanon would be second best in my opinion.

Post: #46

Agdal and Souissi were the nicer parts of the city, certainly. There were some crappier parts of the city (Madinat al Irfane, anything in Sale).

The women were gorgeous and many were clearly very fond of the West - sadly, I couldn't spit game when I was barely out of beginning Arabic.

I went to the mountains too, with my program. Makes me wonder how similar they all were. Or if we were possibly in the same one. (Any redpill guys hid well, though.)

Post: #47

(02-14-2017 03:27 AM)stugatz Wrote:  Agdal and Souissi were the nicer parts of the city, certainly. There were some crappier parts of the city (Madinat al Irfane, anything in Sale).

The women were gorgeous and many were clearly very fond of the West - sadly, I couldn't spit game when I was barely out of beginning Arabic.

I went to the mountains too, with my program. Makes me wonder how similar they all were. Or if we were possibly in the same one. (Any redpill guys hid well, though.)

Spitting game in Arabic is hard as fuck. This is my biggest issue with the language. Speaking Arabic fluently opens up tons of doors professionally, lets you experience world class hospitality, and allows you to travel through some of the most interesting parts of the world. Getting good enough at Arabic to speak it casually and colloquially, however, is extremely difficult and takes years of study. It's much easier to learn how the speak the language in professional setting, since Modern Standard Arabic has actual rules and grammatical systems. Dialects like Darija can at times make absolutely zero grammatical sense and have a hodgepodge of distinct linguistic rules. Learning how to speak it fluently can be a painstaking process.

This is unfortunate, since women (and people in general) in Morocco at least are extremely interested in foreigners. I got the most positive attention as an Indian guy that I ever have in my life, my roommate who was Indian actually banged a native Moroccan girl. I wanted to spit game at the more "local" women (his girl spoke English fluently and was very Americanized), but the extreme language barrier was a problem.

I think libtards see Morocco as some exotic, mystical place. Sort of the way some SWPL's see India. They get a rude shock once they get there and every guy is hollering and catcalling them on the street.

Post: #48

How close is the UAE dialect to Fusha (Modern Standard Arabic)? It seems like people argue over whether the Gulf States or the Levant are the closest dialect.

(There are probably dialect shifts between countries too...I spent no time in Algeria or Tunsia, but I'm sure they have their differences compared to Morocco, as Qatar-Oman-Bahrain-Saudi Arabia do compared to the UAE or Lebanon and Jordan do to Syria.)

I was most often told that Syrian Arabic is the closest - although, obviously, that option's off the table for now, and probably for a while.

Post: #49

(02-20-2017 09:26 PM)Agastya Wrote:  I think libtards see Morocco as some exotic, mystical place. Sort of the way some SWPL's see India. They get a rude shock once they get there and every guy is hollering and catcalling them on the street.

First week, one lilywhite girl in my program got redpilled - unfortunately for her, it was via suppository. She'd had plans of moving to Morocco for years, planned on becoming a Moroccan, frequently ranted about Trump in the first week to virtue signal (apparently thinking that VERY pro-Western, slave-owning, harem-perusing Mohammed VI planned some kind of insurgent resistance if the God Emperor won).

First week, she was in the common area of our building crying inconsolably. What had happened? Her host dad had, in a conversation where he was trying to be seen as pro-woman, said that cheating was bad for both sexes, but a worse betrayal by far if the woman does it. She wanted to go home that week. She ended up just failing every class and being an Agdal fag hag - apparently there's a gay underground in the country if you look.

This redpill didn't reach every student, though, I guess all the catcalling in the world does nothing to some people. When we went to the very backward Atlas Mountains for a few days, I overheard a girl a few days into it say that it was like paradise. OK, you try living there, dummy. (The views were stunning, though.)