Post: #1

I know tons of women living the high life on a mans dime.

They have an apartment that takes up their whole paycheck. But men take them out on dates, etc, and their lifestyle stays fabulous. Dad supports them. Or they have alimony from a divorce.

Is there any statistic out there calculating the overall transfer of wealth, voluntary and involuntary, from men to women?

Hell, what is your personal monthly wealth transfer to women, ie, how much do you spend on girls?

Post: #2

Man, it would be cool to see some real charts on this. Believe me it's way worse than you think.

Post: #3

Yes I am sure we piss away gazillion dollars on them. But aren't we sort of missing something obvious in this?

Only women can manufacture humans.

We can't hang out here and bitch if women didn't give birth to the genius males that invented the IC, the internet etc.

I don't want to be any more pissed off at women than I already am, I start to remind myself of the feminists that almost cost me my career.

Of course it is sacrilege to say "Not all women are like that"; but hopefully I can avoid excommunication by saying "Not all women are like that all the time to all men."

At this point in time, if you want your genetic material to survive a while longer, you have to hire a woman to grow a football sized tumor inside of her and then shit it out. Not the kind of thing I'd do for free.
Or be a sperm donor or a runaway dad. When I called about being a sperm donor they told me they were only taking medical students under 35 who already had kids.

Post: #4

I can't even imagine. I don't want to imagine.

But it could be calculated. Researchers could go to every county in each US state, and examine the divorce decrees filed, just to see the property dispositions, child support orders, maintenance orders, etc. Or, each state's office could provide it.

Without doubt, it's much worse than even we think.

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Post: #5

I would ballpark guess 20-30% of gross male wealth is transferred to women through various means.

Post: #6

Yes that is something I asked myself too. I think there are the direct costs and then there are the indirect costs. But things are more complicated as many men there might have spent the money on some other stuff which could be probably more destructive like alcohol and gambling.

I think it´s about 50%.

Post: #7

Real rough estimate. 50% Of adults have kids. 50% Of marriages end in divorce. 85% of men who are divorced w kids pay child support. Thats about 33 million men in the USA. The average payment is 430 A month.

14 billion a month. 170 billion a year. Thats about 1% of GDP a year. Real rough estimate, anyone have any better figures?

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http://fatherhood.hhs.gov/charting02/introduction.htm

Post: #8

I've actually been wondering this very thing myself lately.

A qualified researcher should write a book on the subject. I would read it.

Post: #9

(04-02-2014 04:10 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Yes I am sure we piss away gazillion dollars on them. But aren't we sort of missing something obvious in this?

Only women can manufacture humans.

While this is true, it is a separate issue. You're making a moral judgment in a thread about statistics. If a man and a woman decide to have children and he fronts much of the cost to raise his child, that would fall into the voluntary category for child rearing expenses. I'm sure most of us don't necessarily think this is a bad thing, but we have to treat it accordingly for the statistical purposes of the thread.

Voluntary:
Paying for girls on dates, dinners, movies, performances, etc. on dates and nights out
Paying rent, car payments, credit card bills, etc. from guys who are seriously involved with girls
Paying for direct access to pussy through P4P, pornography, etc.
Paying for the wedding of a girl that a man is about to marry.

Involuntary:
Taxes, welfare, child support, alimony, divorce settlements, student loans, pretend jobs for women, section 8 housing to raise bastard spawn, battered women's shelters, law enforcement to combat bullshit like domestic violence, rape, human trafficking.

Does anyone have more concrete examples that we can put in the voluntary or involuntary categories?

Post: #10

Made me think. 50% is reasonable to start if not a low ball estimate.

But how about this. A lot of what most men do, they do to attract, impress, or straight out buy women. What drives a lot of men to make money in the first place? Women.

If this incentive were taken away, then most of the money that is, was, and ever will be made in this world would not have been. The potential transfer of money from men to women actually drives a lot of men to work harder, make more, build things, etc, in the first place. Not saying it's the only incentive but it's a big one.

Post: #11

directly or indirectly


75%

Post: #12

Are we counting the hubby who hands the paycheck to the wife via the joint account? Plenty of grey areas here, it's gonna be exceptionally difficult to quantify.

Post: #13

Thats why i say 75 %

Post: #14

http://www.she-conomy.com/facts-on-women claims:

Quote:Senior women age 50 and older control net worth of $19 trillion and own more than three-fourths of the nation’s financial wealth.
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Women account for 85% of all consumer purchases including everything from autos to health care:
91% of New Homes
66% PCs
92% Vacations
80% Healthcare
65% New Cars
89% Bank Accounts
93% Food
93 % OTC Pharmaceuticals

Feminists like to claim women earn 77 cents for each dollar a man earns, i.e. women earn ~44% of income.

She-conomy doesn't directly claim this, but if we suppose women spend 85% of money then they must receive ~41% from men. So men give women ~41/56 * 100% = ~73% of their income.

I think about 75% is a good estimate. As poutsara said seducing and keeping women is a significant motivation for men.

Of course, working extremely hard and in some cases dying to provide for and protect women is patriarchal oppression.

Post: #15

Homes, vacations, food, and drugs for female spending... Sounds about right.