Post: #1

I read Roosh's post on his blog about the power elite, and I was interested in his comment that one threat to the power elite was in fact nationalism itself, as people self identifying as a cohesive, homogenous group. I had not thought much of this before but I think he is right.

http://www.rooshv.com/we-are-nothing-mor...e-of-power

I was reading Aeon (an interesting online magazine) and saw this article. It talks about essentially old school nationalism as a driver for geopoltics, for example in what is happening Eastern Europe. I'm not sure this is the full explanation for what's happened in Crimea, but I'm not an expert.

The article is interesting because it attempts to give a quasi evolutionary argument invoking game theory for how nationalism is propagated through civilization, even though extreme nationalism may not be a rational choice for any particular individual.

http://aeon.co/magazine/living-together/...tionality/

Post: #2

Nationalism is the source of the greatest threat to the modern progressive state and super-state (eg the EU) today. But, in another era, it's not hard to imagine the opposite being the case as it was yesterday, if only because progressivism is the dominant ethos today.

The true antitheses of concentration of power in the state, is quite simply, decentralization. This can take many forms, such as libertarianism, anarchy, or distributism. Without a centralized, imperious authority to impose order from on high, doctrines that don't accord with and complement human nature will be discarded. I speak of course of progressivism. Progressivism is unnatural, and thus requires the state to continually prop it up. People, left to their own devices without the cudgel of the state to back it, would not nearly be so leftist.

Post: #3

(04-08-2014 12:50 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  Nationalism is the source of the greatest threat to the modern progressive state and super-state (eg the EU) today. But, in another era, it's not hard to imagine the opposite being the case as it was yesterday, if only because progressivism is the dominant ethos today.

The true antitheses of concentration of power in the state, is quite simply, decentralization. This can take many forms, such as libertarianism, anarchy, or distributism. Without a centralized, imperious authority to impose order from on high, doctrines that don't accord with and complement human nature will be discarded. I speak of course of progressivism. Progressivism is unnatural, and thus requires the state to continually prop it up. People, left to their own devices without the cudgel of the state to back it, would not nearly be so leftist.

But what is the solution then? Is everything just a cycle, going back and forth between order and disorder?

Post: #4

(04-08-2014 05:43 AM)Kvothe Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 12:50 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  Nationalism is the source of the greatest threat to the modern progressive state and super-state (eg the EU) today. But, in another era, it's not hard to imagine the opposite being the case as it was yesterday, if only because progressivism is the dominant ethos today.

The true antitheses of concentration of power in the state, is quite simply, decentralization. This can take many forms, such as libertarianism, anarchy, or distributism. Without a centralized, imperious authority to impose order from on high, doctrines that don't accord with and complement human nature will be discarded. I speak of course of progressivism. Progressivism is unnatural, and thus requires the state to continually prop it up. People, left to their own devices without the cudgel of the state to back it, would not nearly be so leftist.

But what is the solution then? Is everything just a cycle, going back and forth between order and disorder?

There are no solutions so long as humans are running the show. The dark triad will always reign over everyone and women/men will push people exhibiting these traits to positions of power thus continuing the cycle.

Beyond malevolent dictators which only last as long as the king is alive, there isn't much we can do.

Post: #5

(04-08-2014 06:34 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 05:43 AM)Kvothe Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 12:50 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  Nationalism is the source of the greatest threat to the modern progressive state and super-state (eg the EU) today. But, in another era, it's not hard to imagine the opposite being the case as it was yesterday, if only because progressivism is the dominant ethos today.

The true antitheses of concentration of power in the state, is quite simply, decentralization. This can take many forms, such as libertarianism, anarchy, or distributism. Without a centralized, imperious authority to impose order from on high, doctrines that don't accord with and complement human nature will be discarded. I speak of course of progressivism. Progressivism is unnatural, and thus requires the state to continually prop it up. People, left to their own devices without the cudgel of the state to back it, would not nearly be so leftist.

But what is the solution then? Is everything just a cycle, going back and forth between order and disorder?

There are no solutions so long as humans are running the show. The dark triad will always reign over everyone and women/men will push people exhibiting these traits to positions of power thus continuing the cycle.

Beyond malevolent dictators which only last as long as the king is alive, there isn't much we can do.

That hits home. Looking at history, it seems that there is a clear pattern of malevolent dictators. There is one ring to rule them all, one sperm to fertilize the egg and one always on the top. It seems, there is no escape.

But that is weird, to know this. It makes me careful of people. And of their motives. Its a very negative view of human evolution, but not wrong at all.

But what if people get aware of this pattern? Can they then just "stop", to maintain an "equilibrium"? And what about all the people who say the want to produce good things for all people? Even RooshV says he is trying to help.

But, in the end that is just maybe how the cycle goes. It has its uses. Only the strong, able and healthy survive. That makes then much more sense.

Who else would need to run the show? A supercomputer? A perfect human?

Post: #6

Not sure if you guys ever listen to Michael Savage, the talk radio host out of SanFran. Kinda a entertaining show he's always screaming at guests calling them idiots and though the show is based on politics he'll go on strange rants about natural medicine or readng his novels or poetry lol. Actually pretty interesting guy I guess he used to be like a botanist and in the south pacific discovering and studying plants and stuff. Prior to getting into political stuff he had a few natural healing books and books about herbs and foods and their affects on health and uses on medicine.

Anyhow, his big thing is "language, borders, culture". He argues we in the US have none of this and its goign downhill. Language unlike most ohter countries we really cater to people who come here and choose not to learn the language. Culture again we bend on our principals to accomodate others and borders, again we lack secure borders. I think he's got a book on the subject and also always talks about it on his show.