Post: #1

http://www.freep.com/article/20140419/NE...ours-apart

and this is how I know I'm still blue-pill at heart, because I thought this was an awesome story.

Post: #2

Those were different times. Great story none the less.

Post: #3

They're from Zanesville. I wonder if they know the G manifesto.

Post: #4

That's very touching heart warming. Different and bygone times indeed...unfortunately.

Post: #5

Call me an idiot, but I still believe that you can find that in today's world if you want to. Vet hard, trust but verify certainly. Don't write it off though.

Post: #6

There are a few women out there who still want this stuff. How do you find them?

The other thing is that those kind of woman are snatched up almost immediately and have someone waiting for them if they do break up.

Post: #7

The idea that this is some sort of relic of the past is a wild exaggeration.

It's worth remembering that the great majority of people get married. And while about 50% of marriages in the US end in divorce, that also means that the other 50% don't. If you confine yourself to the middle and upper social classes, more than 50% don't.

What goes on in those marriages is another story -- but marriage was never a guarantee of idyllic happiness at any time. And while this was clearly a devoted couple, who knows how they felt about each other 65 years ago (when they were already married for 5 years, lol)? As time goes on and people settle down and accept their fate and each other, past conflicts get forgotten -- but it's rarely a perfectly smooth ride for anyone. There are exceptions, of course.

There has been some social change, for sure. But let's not get carried away -- lengthy marriages lasting to the end of people's lives are still common and normal, not some quaint institution of the past.

Most men are not like the guys who post on this forum -- they are not "red pill" and they don't think in those terms. They'll meet some female, get married, have kids and basically take their chances, willy-nilly. Some will draw snake eyes and will be wrung dry by the American divorce industry, stripped of their assets, children and peace of mind. Plenty will do fine, more or less -- that does not mean they'll have particularly inspired lives, but they'll escape real catastrophe -- and some will be completely content and go to their graves as gratified grandfathers and great-grandfathers. All these outcomes are possible and all happen even as we speak.

Post: #8

Further -- to be clear, I agree with those who say that this is a very unfavorable environment in which to get married, especially as a result of the extreme ways in which divorce proceedings currently favor the female. I would tell guys to be very wary of pulling the trigger.

The point is simply that the vast majority of men are not and will not be doing this kind of cost/benefit analysis. They'll just get married and take their chances. Many will be screwed, any plenty will do fine, more or less.

Post: #9

My step grandparents died almost 4 days apart. Sad, very sad.

Post: #10

Fuck I'm a softy at times. That story got me good.

Kenneth was a old school G. Alpha and Beta not needed as a term, he was a loyal and hardworking guy that was a leader in his community. This was what the majority of men were in those days. I always say it's been these men disappearing, with just the two extremes left (betas and alphas).

This story seems like from another planet. Having that life is doable but it would be hard work and with a lot of strategy. It's a two way street. Women don't want to sacrifice and compromise, dudes can smell that and they are reluctant to dive in and provide all that they can, neither side is fulfilled.

Rest in paradise to then both.

Post: #11

(04-21-2014 10:00 AM)kosko Wrote:  This story seems like from another planet. Having that life is doable but it would be hard work and with a lot of strategy. It's a two way street. Women don't want to sacrifice and compromise, dudes can smell that and they are reluctant to dive in and provide all that they can, neither side is fulfilled.

Post: #12

I had a high school teacher whose parents died less than 24hrs apart.
Its sad to come to the realization that everything we know is disposable. Our food, our clothes, our friends, our cars, eachother. How many people in today's society do you know who discard anything with no immediately verifiable worth?
These fine old folks were from a better time when we knew how to fix shit and keep it nice and accept limitations of each other instead of throwing lives away for petty reasons.

Post: #13

(04-20-2014 06:49 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  The idea that this is some sort of relic of the past is a wild exaggeration.

It's worth remembering that the great majority of people get married. And while about 50% of marriages in the US end in divorce, that also means that the other 50% don't. If you confine yourself to the middle and upper social classes, more than 50% don't.

What goes on in those marriages is another story -- but marriage was never a guarantee of idyllic happiness at any time. And while this was clearly a devoted couple, who knows how they felt about each other 65 years ago (when they were already married for 5 years, lol)? As time goes on and people settle down and accept their fate and each other, past conflicts get forgotten -- but it's rarely a perfectly smooth ride for anyone. There are exceptions, of course.

There has been some social change, for sure. But let's not get carried away -- lengthy marriages lasting to the end of people's lives are still common and normal, not some quaint institution of the past.

When signing a legally binding contract that says that you promise to devote the rest of your life to another person has the same chance of being broken as getting heads on a coin toss, you have to begin to question whether or not it is worth it.

First, you have to realize people got married because the culture was built that way. Sex before marriage was a big no no. A lot of people were having sex before marriage regardless, but the second the girlfriend got knocked up, families would crack down on the two love birds and force them to get married immediately.

Applying logic to modern marriage as a legal institution. The divorce rate is 50% and on a long enough timeline it is over 50%. You have a greater chance of getting divorced than having a successful long term marriage. On top of this, the laws surrounding marriage are totally skewed towards women's favor. Signing the contract is the equivalent of giving your power in the relationship away to the woman. After the contract is signed, she has a significantly higher level of control over your resources and the children.

I hope to have kids one day because I want to continue my family's lineage, but it will be without getting married on a legal level. I might have the ceremony as a way of continuing the religious tradition I was raised in.

Here is my reasoning for this:
1) There is no longer any stigma against having kids outside of marriage.
2) Having kids outside of marriage gives me a higher level of economic autonomy.
3) I can make the conscious decision to share my resources with the mother of my children and the children we have because it makes logical sense to do so not because a contract told me that is what I should do.

Post: #14

There is not a single divorce in 20 or so couples in my extended family. They do of course also live in the damn near wilderness of rural Norway, where hard physical work is a fact of life, regardless of your otherwise job. If I ever get married, I would seriously consider moving there.