Post: #1

I've read this book as it was recommended by Roosh and it's interesting but I think it's also full of shit. Author provides absolutely no proof for her claims(or maybe I missed it, inform me). I know that this is old book but some facts are just plain wrong.

For example: she insinuates a few times that women only go to college to hunt for future husbands(providers) and that only 13% of them obtain a degree:

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2013/05/stunnin...ince-1982/

O rly?

She also repeatedly calls women stupid, research shows that on average they do have 2-4 lower IQ -However that's about the same as difference between average IQ in Italy and and US, so are we gonna call all people from US retarded ? And while yes, IQ test do have some shortcomings, they are still very accurate way to measure OVERALL intelligence - Anyone claiming otherwise probably never took proper one or scored low and is looking for excuses.

I am also looking for any other research in general proving these kind of theories. I am all for "red pill" and I know how fucked men in the west are in case of divorce etc. but that doesn't prove any of the claims made by this book. I also checked forums like mgtow and few blogs in this niche, a lot of crying from beta guys and usually no scientific data to support any of the claims.

Oh and your(or mine for that matter) personal experience means pretty much NOTHING, anyone unable to understand even that, please don't bother replying.

Post: #2

Are you a woman?

Post: #3

No, just someone who cares about what he reads and doesn't accept other people opinions as facts (until proven otherwise).

Post: #4

I think her insinuation about women going to college to meet a husband was more true back then, but perhaps not now. My mom met my dad in college, so, that kind of supports that thesis.

But regardless, lets say your right. The fact is American women are far worse than they were in that generation, although, it is interesting, perhaps less manipulative. American women today put their cards on the table. They let you know they don't feel the need to support you through cooking, cleaning, or showering you with affection. They let you know up front they've ridden bad boy cock for 10 years and "are now ready to settle". So, hilariously, that book is outdated in the sense that modern western women are so damaged, ugly (fatter), and entitled, as to make the books central premise that women use love and affection to further their aims dated.

On another note, a line that has been working for me on Czech girls is, "Are you addicted?" I say this when they are on their phone and they get sheepish and then a conversation about phones and being able to let go of technology and open up to the world around us ensues.

Post: #5

The "Manipluated Man"? Nope, never read that one.

Post: #6

Bigboyz... you do type like a bitch, but your need for citation or well researched/proven sourcing is highly respectable.


Logical analysis not reliant on appeal is what separates us from the wenches

Post: #7

(04-27-2014 08:17 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  But regardless, lets say your right.

I am not taking any position, I just want to have meaningful discussion about this and set things as straight as possible. Not sure how possible that will be since there were only 3 replies and 2 were aimed towards me instead of trying to come up with some useful stuff.

Yeah, I guess to most my first post will come off as me taking women's side or something like that, I want nothing of the sort. I know I said that personal experiences don't matter because sample of any one person is too small to come to any conclusions but I probably had worse experience with women than most - probably the reason I've read the book in the first place.

So yeah, if somebody has interesting theories or even better if somebody can post some studies proving stuff that this book claims(and guys on mgtow and similar blogs) I would appreciate it. So far the only stuff I've read actually claims that women are more empathetic, more compassionate... The exact opposite of what the book and people with similar theories preach.

http://www.joseluisdiaz.org/wp-content/u...lo2011.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19476221

Post: #8

Esther Vilar is Argentinian. Are the statistics she cites stated to be in the US, or did they reflect the reality in Argentina?

Post: #9

Can't say I didn't see that coming....

Post: #10

Look - there are different factors - read up on female red-pill blogger http://judgybitch.com/ - she has quite a few statistics on her side.

- IQ for men and women are deviated differently - woman are more around 100, men are more around the lower end of IQ (65% of Forrest Gumps), but also more around the higher end (65% of Mensa, >90% of 5% top level of MENSA) - especially the higher end is important because that is where 90% of top scientists, engineers, businessmen, artists are located at!
- Men are fundamentally more interested in technology, science, innovation, creativity, men are more prone to immerse themselves in intellectual activity - reading countless books, becoming a master at it etc. even with identical IQ
- Technological interests are already provable at the tender age of 14 days - the more testosterone the more interest in technology
- Many women do not reach the same technical specification as men and leave their jobs more often - example: doctors in the US - over 50% are women, but men are by far more specialized >90% brain/heart surgeons etc. & in some US States 50% of women leave their careers for decades after the first child - they probably marry a good provider and give a shit later on
- Men are by far more interested in working in large social groups and identifying themselves in it - an army, a workforce, a group of men - they take great pride in rising socially in that or at least be identified as a valuable member of the work in some faculty - being the IT buff, the marketing buff etc.
- men also work better in groups accepting the valid superiority of another man
- Women are far less interested in that context - they prefer the micro-dynamic social group - the family, some other woman's family, what some of her friends were doing - ergo the gossip industry - it is part of their biological imprint to be interested in that
- women also work way worse in groups - a bunch of women are accepting each other only when all are equal - one woman having something superior then suddenly they resent that, no matter whether it is based on merit

So 10 mio. degrees more in liberal arts, women's studies and arts and poetry do not build civilization. Times have changed dramatically since 1982 - most women are fucking around in their 20s trying to find themselves in a sea of cocks. They find jobs in the feminized corporate world & military world shuffling papers. Men still invent, produce, maintain, upkeep, build and create 99% of what constitutes our society - females produce babies and bitch around nowadays and they try to be fake men.

So are women less stupid? Yes and no - their IQ may be similar or superior, but their life choices are different:

- IQ over Einstein-level, but more interested in nail polish and pop-stars ?
http://judgybitch.com/2013/02/18/her-iq-...in-action/

- I personally have met in college and beyond a bunch of genius level men and practically all of them were technology, IT & science buffs, even if they went into business later on
- I also met 3 genius level women - one taught herself to read at age 3 - both went into business - sales and marketing - adn with both of them you would hardly know how intelligent they are - why? Probably because the intellectual male reads sometimes 200 books a year on a diverse range of subjects while the intellectual woman reads Cosmo and only the literature she needs for her job. Now I agree that I have met ONE high IQ woman who was working in IT development even in the 1970s and she was as popular as a movie star, because she was usually the only woman in the field - but of course exceptions only confirm the rule

These are my own personal experiences, but plenty of IQ studies show the same results.

The best thing that a high IQ woman could do for civilization-building is to deliver 2 or more high-IQ male babies!