Post: #1

Hey guys. I have been lurking on this forum for months now, carefully looking at trip reports from Asia, and I'm very intrigued. Quite frankly I am absolutely sick of entitled, fat American sluts and the games that they play. Over the past few years, I have had low to moderate success with American women (typically in the 6-7 range) with a couple bangs here and there, but nothing at all to brag about. I haven't put in a ton of effort, though. I have become quite jaded about American women (though I do realize that there are likely some diamonds in the rough), so I am looking to travel abroad to gain some experience with foreign women and rack up a few notches.

My stats:

-25 years old
-5'9", 165 pounds and in very good shape. Muscular and toned with low body fat but not huge and bulky.
-Half hispanic, half white (which I was fully white for these purposes!!)
-Average to slightly above average looking in the face
-Experienced traveller

I am going to be spending two weeks at the Asian country of my choice.

I'm pretty sure I could kill it in the Phils based on what you guys have been saying, so that is an option. If I go Phils, Manila and Quezon are my first choices for the lighter skinned and relatively slutty girls.

I'm really more interested in Japanese women, though. My game isn't great at all compared to most of you guys. I only have the game of an average non-PUA guy because I have never done the PUA thing. So being only 5'9", 25 years old and not fully white (ethnically people say I look very similar to Mark Salling, though he is likely quite a bit better looking), will I still have enough of the white "exotic" factor in Japan to get lays based on mostly that? Or should I stick to the Philippines/Indonesia for the easy lays? Budget is NOT an issue, so that is not a factor. At this point I also do not know any Japanese at all and I am just a beginner as far as the PUA thing.

At heart I'm a nice guy, so it's much easier for me to game girls in a nice/charming way, rather than act like a prick to them to get their attraction. I'm not alpha, but not beta either. I'm somewhere in between.

Post: #2

If you only have 2 weeks I wouldn't recommend Japan. It's super difficult without Japanese speaking ability, but it can definitely be done. Lots of Japanese girls won't give a shit if you're white (but some people might disagree). But Osaka does has the hottest girls anywhere in Asia, hands down. It's also quite difficult to get laid if you can't speak Japanese and don't understand Japanese girls. That being said, when I return to Asia I'll fly directly to Osaka and skip most other places.

Based on your limited time situation I'd suggest going to Bangkok, but maybe wait until the curfew ends. I'm here now for a few more days, and the curfew really sucks. If you want a challenge then go to Tokyo or Osaka, but if you want notches then Bangkok.

Post: #3

Osaka over Tokyo? Never heard that one before. Tokyo has 90% of the universities in Japan so this is where the hottest girls (18-22 yos) in Japan congregate. I find Osaka to be much harder to game and it has pathetically poor nightlife.

I agree with the above advice though. Assuming you are a typical guy with little game experience then Japan is a tough ask in 2 weeks.

Do somewhere in SEA and book a longer stay for Japan next time around. From what I hear, there are plenty of Japanese and Korean tourists in Thailand who tend to loosen up abroad so you might wanna try that angle.

Post: #4

Girls in Osaka are way hotter than in Tokyo. That is if you're into girls who dress slutty, dye their hair and wear lots of makeup. I noticed that stunners are way more common in Osaka, especially if you walk around Shinsaibashi. Girls dress up to go to Tsutaya as if they're going to a club. Overall people dress better in Osaka than in Tokyo. I found the nightlife in Tokyo to be overpriced and pretty bad. Street game is definitely the way to go in Japan, UNLESS you have a good social circle. Tokyo is definitely awesome, but IMO Osaka is where it's at in Japan if you want the hottest girls that Asia has to offer.

Post: #5

I would go Bangkok unless you prefer Filipinas over Thai girls then go Manila.

Post: #6

I would say that Tokyo probably has the highest concentration of hotness in all of Asia - both in quality and quantity. The girls in Tokyo are definitely a whole level above those in Osaka.

When I first arrived in Tokyo, it completely blew my mind as to how so many beautiful women could be concentrated in one city. When you walk around most areas of Tokyo you will see 9s and 10s everywhere. I was stunned.

Don't get me wrong - there are some serious hotties in Osaka as well, but Tokyo is on a whole level higher. This is because most of the very attractive women from all over the Japan go to Tokyo to study, work or to network.

That being said, I really wouldn't recommend going there for gaming women because Japanese women are ever-increasingly avoiding sex and relationships (look into the "Herbivore men" phenomenon in Japan). Even when Japanese women are actually interested in sex or a relationship, they generally stick only to Japanese men. Your chances of hooking up are especially low if you don't speak Japanese.

There is extensive amounts of information here on RVF about the great difficulties of gaming Japanese women. If you want to successfully game them, you'll need to put in a tremendous amount of effort which include living in Japan, knowing the language, being very knowledgeable about fashion, very knowledgeable about Japanese culture and the Japanese way of life, amongst other things.

If you're looking for a short bang trip in Asia, I would look to South-East Asia instead. The fact that you're a foreigner, coupled with some tight game can yield excellent results in the Phillipines or Thailand. Indonesia sounds like it has a lot of potential as well.

Post: #7

(06-11-2014 12:59 AM)travolta Wrote:  Girls in Osaka are way hotter than in Tokyo. That is if you're into girls who dress slutty, dye their hair and wear lots of makeup. I noticed that stunners are way more common in Osaka, especially if you walk around Shinsaibashi. Girls dress up to go to Tsutaya as if they're going to a club. Overall people dress better in Osaka than in Tokyo. I found the nightlife in Tokyo to be overpriced and pretty bad. Street game is definitely the way to go in Japan, UNLESS you have a good social circle. Tokyo is definitely awesome, but IMO Osaka is where it's at in Japan if you want the hottest girls that Asia has to offer.

I get that you are a Kansai guy, but any difference in quality of girls between the two places is an imaginary one. Go to Shibuya or Harajuku and those same girls are everywhere.

For the record, I've been to Osaka multiple times and usually strike out. It's not an easy place to game at all, especially for a newbie. Like you say, street game is the main way in Osaka. To my knowledge, the clubs have either disappeared or close at 1am thanks to the asshole police. Tokyo's nightlife is suffering from the same moralistic policies but it's still light years beyond anything Osaka offers. There is no Feria, Vanity or Ageha equivalent in Osaka.

It's true that Tokyo girls are very blase about foreigners but there's also a large minority that like us. Osakans seem more closed-minded to me. I like Osaka as a city and the people are certainly more outgoing than Tokyo, but that doesn't necessarily translate into easier girls.

If I had a free choice of where to live, I would choose Fukuoka or Hiroshima. Doing street there is like shooting fish out of a barrel. Second tier cities are where your foreign exotic factor gets more bang for your buck.

Post: #8

(06-11-2014 01:33 AM)Biologist Wrote:  That being said, I really wouldn't recommend going there for gaming women because Japanese women are ever-increasingly avoiding sex and relationships (look into the "Herbivore men" phenomenon in Japan).

I agree with everything else you wrote but I wouldn't be fooled by these headlines. Unmarried Japanese girls are still having just as much sex as before, if not more. Just not with the herbivores.

Love hotels here are still as packed out as they ever were. Find a drunk girl who wants to bang on a Saturday night? Good luck finding a free love hotel.

Post: #9

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Also-
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Post: #10

I have a keen interest in Japan. Though as your title says you are going for notches.

If you're going for notches then it's Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia or Taiwan (can someone confirm? im guessing more difficult than the other 3)

Post: #11

Thanks guys for the responses!

I may have overstated my interest in just gaining notches. Over a two week period, I would be more than happy with 3-4 different girls that end up being repeat customers. I'm not interested in 2+ girls per day every day nor do I have the stamina for that.

I'm surprised at what most of you have said about Japan. I've read some posts claiming that night game in Tokyo clubs is like fish in a barrel even if you don't know Japanese. I was expecting responses more along the lines of "yes you are (or no you aren't) white enough and tall enough to tap into that oasis". What are your thoughts on this?

Indonesia is looking like the safest option with easy hookups but also decent looking women. How is Sumatra for finding attractive (7+ on the 1-10 scale) women?

Post: #12

OP given what you have said about yourself, I don't think I'd go to Japan if all you want is notches. Read the Japan threads here. For this kind of trip, I think you should play the percentages and go to Phils, Indonesia, Cambodia, or Thailand.

To paraphrase Mike Tyson, everyone has a bang plan, until they land in the country and try to bang.

If you do go to Japan, I highly recommend you pipeline some girls to hit the ground running. You will not magically transform into a Casanova on foreign soil. If you're not getting girls from day/night game in your current city, it is not going to happen in Japan. In fact, you may become more inhibited due to the language barrier and different environment, especially if you are going by yourself.

Post: #13

(06-11-2014 06:47 PM)Menace Wrote:  In fact, you may become more inhibited due to the language barrier and different environment, especially if you are going by yourself.

I agree. 3-4 girls in two weeks in Japan with no Japanese is possible but high difficulty even with good logistics and game. You will get cockblocked hard (especially if rolling solo) and language skill is a big issue. Pipeline.

Post: #14

Consider Hong Kong for a stopover. Too expensive to spend 2 weeks there, but a great city to visit for 2-3 days.

Bangkok is great, though not sure what it's like now with the curfew and stuff.

I would personally recommend Indonesia, particularly Jakarta.

Heard a lot of good things about the Philippines, though never been there.

Post: #15

(06-11-2014 06:43 PM)Google1000 Wrote:  I've read some posts claiming that night game in Tokyo clubs is like fish in a barrel even if you don't know Japanese. I was expecting responses more along the lines of "yes you are (or no you aren't) white enough and tall enough to tap into that oasis". What are your thoughts on this?

It's a myth.

(06-11-2014 06:43 PM)Google1000 Wrote:  I may have overstated my interest in just gaining notches. Over a two week period, I would be more than happy with 3-4 different girls that end up being repeat customers. I'm not interested in 2+ girls per day every day nor do I have the stamina for that.

Possible but they aren't going to be supermodels. In all likelihood, you will be dealing with 6s or 7s. Like I wrote before, you need to be here for longer to play the game in Japan. Pipelining doesn't work as well in Japan because cute girls are fucked in the head with ADD and their smartphones. There is always street game, of course, but you stated that you don't have much pickup experience.

Post: #16

Big cities in asia are congested , hot and stressful I recommend small citys near a beach like patong, boracay, puerta galera , pattaya, dumungette.

Post: #17

(06-12-2014 08:46 PM)mandatoryhoes Wrote:  Big cities in asia are congested , hot and stressful I recommend small citys near a beach like patong, boracay, puerta galera , pattaya, dumungette.

I am also looking for a city which provides a good combination of nice beach life and chasing girls.

I can comment on Patong (Phuket) and Pattaya in Thailand. I've had my share of fun in both, but both have too many tourists and not enough locals who are not in the tourist industry. When it comes to girls, it means that a lot of them are pros.

Post: #18

If I was your age I would focus on the high end asian girls
(korean, japan, etc).....phily girls look much worse and will
be available when you are older.

Use your youth to tear up the high end of the high end.





quote='Google1000' pid='751267' dateline='1402433663']
Hey guys. I have been lurking on this forum for months now, carefully looking at trip reports from Asia, and I'm very intrigued. Quite frankly I am absolutely sick of entitled, fat American sluts and the games that they play. Over the past few years, I have had low to moderate success with American women (typically in the 6-7 range) with a couple bangs here and there, but nothing at all to brag about. I haven't put in a ton of effort, though. I have become quite jaded about American women (though I do realize that there are likely some diamonds in the rough), so I am looking to travel abroad to gain some experience with foreign women and rack up a few notches.

My stats:

-25 years old
-5'9", 165 pounds and in very good shape. Muscular and toned with low body fat but not huge and bulky.
-Half hispanic, half white (which I was fully white for these purposes!!)
-Average to slightly above average looking in the face
-Experienced traveller

I am going to be spending two weeks at the Asian country of my choice.

I'm pretty sure I could kill it in the Phils based on what you guys have been saying, so that is an option. If I go Phils, Manila and Quezon are my first choices for the lighter skinned and relatively slutty girls.

I'm really more interested in Japanese women, though. My game isn't great at all compared to most of you guys. I only have the game of an average non-PUA guy because I have never done the PUA thing. So being only 5'9", 25 years old and not fully white (ethnically people say I look very similar to Mark Salling, though he is likely quite a bit better looking), will I still have enough of the white "exotic" factor in Japan to get lays based on mostly that? Or should I stick to the Philippines/Indonesia for the easy lays? Budget is NOT an issue, so that is not a factor. At this point I also do not know any Japanese at all and I am just a beginner as far as the PUA thing.

At heart I'm a nice guy, so it's much easier for me to game girls in a nice/charming way, rather than act like a prick to them to get their attraction. I'm not alpha, but not beta either. I'm somewhere in between.
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Post: #19

(06-12-2014 10:18 PM)dalbroker Wrote:  If I was your age I would focus on the high end asian girls
(korean, japan, etc).....phily girls look much worse and will
be available when you are older.

Use your youth to tear up the high end of the high end.

I highly doubt that he will enjoy any success with Korean or Japanese women on a 2 week trip to Korea or Japan. Of course, it is not impossible, however if his focus lays on notches in Asia, which thethread title is saying, I wouldn't send a forum brother to Korea or Japan, especially when he has no experience in the mentioned countries and no understanding of the local culture. Even if he is able to pull a girl in Seul (best chance in Itawoen?), it certainly won't be a high-end asian girl. Just because she is Korean, doesn't make her a high-end Asian girl... There are huge differences.

You can find high-end Asian girl in any Asian country.

So when you look for a high-end Asian girl, why not going for the HI-SO in BKK? Or the well-off in Jakarta?

If he wants to get his feet wet, he should be heading to BKK. The girls are easy and the city is easy. I don't think a beginner could enjoy JKT at all for example, the city is just too much stress when you are a first timer in Asia.

Just my 2 cents
Mike O'Brien

Post: #20

(06-11-2014 01:33 AM)Biologist Wrote:  When you walk around most areas of Tokyo you will see 9s and 10s everywhere.

Post: #21

(06-11-2014 06:43 PM)Google1000 Wrote:  Thanks guys for the responses!

I may have overstated my interest in just gaining notches. Over a two week period, I would be more than happy with 3-4 different girls that end up being repeat customers. I'm not interested in 2+ girls per day every day nor do I have the stamina for that.

2+ girls a day requires a medium to high level of attractiveness and game in a very easy environment.

Even 3-4 attractive (read: 6-7 range but shapely) girls in 2 weeks in a country like Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia will take some effort. Totally possible though. My rule of thumb was if I had a date or went out gaming at night I probably had a 30-40% chance of getting laid. Sometimes the dates were not as attractive or socially awkward. Sometimes you meet a girl at a bar and are hitting it off and invest the night in talking to her and she won't come back at the end of the night. With a little more work I could've probably gotten that percentage higher but shit happens.

I really enjoyed Vietnam too. It seems the girls were a bit more conservative but even very attractive girls were open to foreigners, which is not always the case even in places like Thailand.

People say Thailand for a lot for valid reasons though. It's the most accessible and fun tourist culture. The girls are attractive and generally approachable and the country isn't too expensive. The martial law is a big negative right now though.

Post: #22

I am short, half way good looking, quiet and black. I have great style though and in shape. I ran through BKK and could have Samui but was locked up. I know for the military especially blacks have great luck in Korea. Cambodia for you would be easy for you. I was in PP for four days and didnt notice too many tourist. Alot of asian tourist though.

Seems like you are set on Japan. Just go and learn the hard way. With all the forum advice, you can still smash 10 in two weeks or none and have a great time. You are already taking the first step of being an international play oy for any trip will benefit. As long as you dont regret not going to Thailand, you will be straight with Japan. Just dont expect the girls to be bending over for their white god haha.

Post: #23

I really appreciate the responses guys. I have decided to skip Japan for now. I just don't want to go somewhere where I might not even get laid. I'll head there in a couple of years.

I've narrowed it down to Indonesia or Philippines. Being half hispanic/half white and only 5'9", will I have them falling over themselves for me like some of you guys do if I use the "alpha but with somewhat beta-mannerisms only for them" approach? Also what is the ideal way to dress? I was thinking either jeans or slacks and a button-down shirt with a watch and nice shoes.

Post: #24

(07-28-2014 09:35 PM)Google1000 Wrote:  I really appreciate the responses guys. I have decided to skip Japan for now. I just don't want to go somewhere where I might not even get laid. I'll head there in a couple of years.

I've narrowed it down to Indonesia or Philippines. Being half hispanic/half white and only 5'9", will I have them falling over themselves for me like some of you guys do if I use the "alpha but with somewhat beta-mannerisms only for them" approach? Also what is the ideal way to dress? I was thinking either jeans or slacks and a button-down shirt with a watch and nice shoes.

You are focusing too much on your race and height. Those are just factors but not more than 20%. You have to work for your pussy everywhere in the world unless you are paying for it. The girls who make it too easy for you in Asia are often going to be the types who are in it for money.

In Asia game is different. Girls are not like American chicks so you have to learn how to deal with them when you first get here. There are plenty of threads on RVF about Asian cities.

There is a lot of pay to play too, but it is not always straightforward. You could meet a chick in a club or from a dating website and think she is legit but she just has a revolving door of tourist guys she bangs for money. This is especially true in Indonesia and the Phil.

And in terms of what to wear, it depends where you go. Dress up if you are going to a nice club in Jakarta or Manila. But if you are in Bali or Boracay then just dress in shorts if that is what others are wearing.

Post: #25

(07-28-2014 09:47 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 09:35 PM)Google1000 Wrote:  I really appreciate the responses guys. I have decided to skip Japan for now. I just don't want to go somewhere where I might not even get laid. I'll head there in a couple of years.

I've narrowed it down to Indonesia or Philippines. Being half hispanic/half white and only 5'9", will I have them falling over themselves for me like some of you guys do if I use the "alpha but with somewhat beta-mannerisms only for them" approach? Also what is the ideal way to dress? I was thinking either jeans or slacks and a button-down shirt with a watch and nice shoes.

You are focusing too much on your race and height. Those are just factors but not more than 20%. You have to work for your pussy everywhere in the world unless you are paying for it. The girls who make it too easy for you in Asia are often going to be the types who are in it for money.

In Asia game is different. Girls are not like American chicks so you have to learn how to deal with them when you first get here. There are plenty of threads on RVF about Asian cities.

There is a lot of pay to play too, but it is not always straightforward. You could meet a chick in a club or from a dating website and think she is legit but she just has a revolving door of tourist guys she bangs for money. This is especially true in Indonesia and the Phil.

And in terms of what to wear, it depends where you go. Dress up if you are going to a nice club in Jakarta or Manila. But if you are in Bali or Boracay then just dress in shorts if that is what others are wearing.

I've been to Asia before (but not for bangs and I was faithful to my girlfriend at the time), so I do know what Asian women are like. I'm just trying to find the country where my exotic value is quite high but where I can also find some solid 7's or 8's to bang. Jakarta and Manila/Quezon City seem like the safest bets. If the girls are at least a 7, it's only icing on the cake if they are any better looking than that, not a requirement.

So basically I'm looking for this:

-A city where I have some exotic value and can use confident nice guy game to have a high probability of scoring a few good looking chicks over a two week period.

-I'd prefer to be able to use daygame or iPhone apps (Tinder, WeChat, etc) to find girls in my immediate area rather than use the online dating sites.