Post: #1

Sometimes I wish I knew nothing of game. That I could be another unknowing drone, blue pill in every word of its sense, shuffling unwittingly back and forth between societally approved pastimes. I’d be happy to bang my wife (missionary) once every second month or so and make my job title the definition of who I am in life and how I measure progress.

This is however an impossibility. Once you’ve gone into game deep enough to know the thrills and fruits of success that comes with it you can never again know the happiness that comes from ignorance.

I have just returned from a 9 night trip to Montreal (separate Trip report/Data Sheet coming) and the post-vacation melancholy is creeping up on me. I had 5 notches in those nights and I consider that below my average. I admit that nutting in a girl more nights than not cannot in any sense of the word be considered bad. But every one of those nights I had dates that flaked, balked at the last minute in the sofa, I was balking (because fuck it I can’t stand this bitch etc) or there just was nothing biting. Most of all the quality was not what I was used to. On my own “Hell Yes!/Yes/No” scale of female ratings my record for the week is 1/4/0 (compared to 4/2/0 for my NYC trip in January).

Make no mistake, I’ve had a good time, though not great. The standards I set for myself these days are almost impossible to live up to however. Thus the chase becomes eternal and the happiness that comes with it is derived in small doses that dissipate as fast as the cum stains on the sheets dry up. This lack of lasting joy is really starting to grate on me. The modern world in general is to me as chewing cardboard, a tasteless mush. From my very extensive travels, studies, vocation and living I’ve learned that contrary to what most people on the forum feel it’s not my country, western society, cell phones or whatnot that are responsible. It’s your own wishes fulfilled.

It was a long time ago that I lost count of the number of women I’ve bedded (I’ve never bothered keeping score as I do this for my own reasons and not someone else’s approval) but it is undoubtedly in 3-figures these days. I have my end game pretty much laid out. I won’t cover it here but it involves the only woman in my life that I have something as love (what the masses describe it as) with, someone that has a quiet acceptance of my eccentricities and “straying” when outside the country’s limits. This is all a situation and life that most men would give one or both of their nuts to live. Yet I derive little pleasure from it, it’s something that’s already available to me, there’s no challenge or chase available there.

When can a player rest?

Post: #2

You've burned yourself out and have come to see women flaking/being hesitant as an insult to you because you know you can fuck these girls but they're not biting. You then delve into the range below 6/10 and become disgusted with yourself.

Looks like you need a break or a change in scenery.

Post: #3

Vicious, thank you for sharing your introspective thoughts.

It seems to me that you want to rest. You want to retire for a bit and chase some other stuff. You need something new in your life. Your desire for the chase seems to be dissipating but my understanding, from your post, is that you have achieved a lot of the 'game' related goals members of this forum strive for.

Before you applied this lens to life, the knowledge from game, do you remember what was the driving force behind you waking up every day? Even if it was in a 'blue pill' context (I am growing disdainful of the abuse of this term but for illustrative purposes). Consider how has your travelling, your triple digit bang score and plethora of stories and experience shaped your life today.

You may consider yourself ready for your endgame and that is what you want.

I am in full acknowledgment that you cannot turn -it- off. You see opportunities for thrill, situations you believe you deserve to put on a show and emotions you want to conquer. I wake up and I feel this way. After a while, the magical element of game, being able to use it in interactions becomes predictable, boring, routine.

Your description of what you're feeling, paragraph 4, is akin to reading an account of any addiction. I feel the same way, with smoking but I still enjoy it and indulge my self. I enjoy the breaks, it is my device for turning off or taking a break.

Nonetheless, when can a player rest?

When he knows what he wants, specifically in his emotional and amorous life.

Not everybody wants to be an eternal player but everyone wants to play the game. When you're playing it you learn about what you want or like and what you don't. For some, it taints perceptions. For others, it amplifies pre-existing beliefs.

I think when you get tired, you rest. You may get tired of playing the field and going out. You may get tired of having to keep up with the time required to keep MLTRs and a harem. You may get tired of satisfying your physical and neglecting your emotional desires.

Some don't even play the game. It is like watching a TV and you get more channels than others. You have been watching this channel for a long time and you're bored. You could switch over and come back, if there's commercials.

Maybe you're just watching commercials.

Post: #4

Vicious i know exactly what you're saying...
As good as the red pill is i can understand wanting to plug back into the Matrix.

Sometimes it can be a series of devastating loses combined with player burnout.
Too many flakes in a week combined with your bottom bitch doing something that you really don't like is usually enough to do get a guy thinking this way.



You rest when your dick no longer works or you die which ever comes first.

A few years ago i thought my player days were done when i failed to get hard with a girl i chased for far too long.
I freaked out and didn't chase girls for like 3 months. My diet was to blame for the performance issues. Now i wake up with wood 3-4 times per week.

Post: #5

Vicious, how many girls are you fucking a year?

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I think you might be expecting too much from this game. Game is a tool to help you get laid in the way that you want. It's like a sword. I wouldn't expect a sword to do anything other than cut.

Game comes not from intellectual curiosity but from a visceral hunger to fuck women.

I've had times where I've been so hungry and then I eat a lot and I lose all interest in food for a time being. Sounds like you've had your fill.

You'll do probably be hungry again very soon.

Game is a skill. If you don't practice it, you will lose it. But if you don't feel the drive them you don't want to practice it.

You will probably feel the urge soon. Here's what I would do: Take a break for a week, and asses how you are feeling at the end.

If you are contemplating a long break, just keep in min that there will be a day when you will get hit with a sudden urge to hook up with some hot girl and you are going to have rusty game.

Some people are probably better at getting back into than others. I know that I can get rusty if I don't practice.

Whatever happens, keep on flirting with chicks I'd say..

Post: #6

I remember reading one post by you in regards to game and money that went along the lines of 'you're paying for it, one way or another'. The cash, the flights, the targeted work outs, the alcohol, the smoke, loud music, online browsing, venue selections, cockblocks, taxis, last second mind games, dry cleaning, lost sleep, alienating family and friends, conversion fees, cover fees, balancing your mask "you" vs your "real" you.

I saw a Krauser tweet recently that said "if I had to choose between tight game and good health, I'd choose good health." I thought about that for a good 5 minutes, it really put things in perspective.

Game is getting what you want. There's a big focus on notches, stories, flags and other manosphere pinterest items. It seems like it's all about being active, being on the frontlines and getting the bang. I think a lot of players come from a position of having to prove themselves: +1 to your buddies, insane approach scenarios. Some come for the novelty of it all, the need for variety to feel alive. Notches aren't enough, they have to be exotic notches and extreme scenarios. One day you may find that you're burning through quality girls to feed your ego. 'Are they all the same? Am I just a notch machine looking to get to the next goal? I can't really engage with her personality, that's beta.' I'm not saying relationships are necessarily end game; different guys have different personalities, but I do think guys have to take the game and adapt it to themselves, play with the SDK tool or whatever.

Eventually you start to think back and wonder if it would be better to slow down if you find someone you'd really want to stick around. Maybe quality and stability become more attractive than novelty and competition.

I used to love going out every night, hopping around the city, inebriated and trying my luck. Now I just think how much more productive can I be. How many songs have I not written, how many books have I not read, or new words I haven't learned? I tell myself I'm going to slow down, but I feel the red pill has a way of making a man restless. I'm not dropping out of the game, but I do need a system overhaul. Play for too long continuously and the system overheats. Just like working out, the recovery stage is an integral part of the process.

A brilliant film, an engaging video game, a bike ride into the settling dusk, an amazing concert. This is life too. Tom Torero had a great video on gaming abroad: sure do what you have to do, but take in the scenery too. If it's all bang mission this, flag hunt that, you're missing out on the history. Then when you return, you lose out on telling an amazing story because you were waiting outside the mall from dawn til dusk (speaking in general, not to you personally).

I think once a player is made, he can't rest until death. But after getting enough of a feel for the terrain, a player can manipulate things to his advantage. Slowing down and taking everything in is just as much game as is maintaining frame in the heat of the moment.

Being "on" all the time has to be murder on the adrenal glands. I know when I get back from a trip I'm positively wrecked; overstimulation is a mild way of putting it. I give myself permission to "go off". I catch up on some tv show, finish up a book, or listen to a few albums inside out. I might even spend a few days or weeks detoxing so the whole thing doesn't become mechanical.

The worst thing a player can do is rot from the inside. It's impossible to be active all the time. You've done your active duty, enjoy the reserves for now, whatever that may be for you.

Post: #7

It is simple.

Don't make Game and the conquest for women your main source of happiness.

Going into the relationship with that woman you mentioned and having a child will give you new experiences. My girlfriend for example enjoys having threesomes and my Game is used to acquire high quality girls for that. Plus I have other experiences when travelling with friends. While Gaming girls is one of our most fun activities together we also visit museums (and pick up girls) as well as enjoy the places we visit (and pick up girls) while having plenty of fun.

Apart from that a man needs other activities that give you a degree of satisfaction or happiness. To me it is also part of my job as well my spiritual life - I contemplate and have outlandish experiences and out of body experiences. Plus I also try to listen to my intuition which is sharpened during contemplation - that inner voice tells me what I can best do to have a more interesting life.

And you certainly don't want any part of your life take over the rest and define what you are. Taking a break from Gaming girls once in a while is not bad.

Post: #8

I understand exactly where you are coming from.

I remember when I was younger I worked on a huge farm and most of the other workers were burnouts. Not bad people, but they were as simple as it gets.

I always knew I wanted a lot more out of life, but there were a couple times I would look at the other guys and think, "Wow it must be easy to be like Joey. No aspirations, no qualms with punching in and out everyday as long as he has enough money to buy a 24 case of beer on the weekend and tickets to the races." The dude was usually always happy.

I think Hemingway was the one who said that happiness in intelligent people was the rarest thing he knew.

I'm not sure a player ever rests.

Post: #9

Rest is for the dead. It doesn't end until the beating heart stops.

If pursuing new women no longer provides the level of novelty and intellectual stimulation it used, maybe this is a sign that it is time to find a new activity that challenges you mentally in order to supplement your player lifestyle.

Post: #10

(06-16-2014 09:36 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Make no mistake, I’ve had a good time, though not great. The standards I set for myself these days are almost impossible to live up to however. Thus the chase becomes eternal and the happiness that comes with it is derived in small doses that dissipate as fast as the cum stains on the sheets dry up. This lack of lasting joy is really starting to grate on me. The modern world in general is to me as chewing cardboard, a tasteless mush. From my very extensive travels, studies, vocation and living I’ve learned that contrary to what most people on the forum feel it’s not my country, western society, cell phones or whatnot that are responsible. It’s your own wishes fulfilled.

This is your problem. You have unrealistic expectations. You should get rid of them.

Let me give you an example. When I was first learning game, as a 22 year old virgin, I thought to myself,

"Even if I study game and only get one bang for the rest of my life, it will have been worth it."

Really. That's all I was looking for. One measly bang and I would have been eternally grateful. I would have never imagined just how many more girls I would learn to fuck. And because my expectations were so low to begin with, it's very easy for me to be satisfied with my Game and my results.

So I encourage you to manage your expectations. Ask yourself if it really gets any better, or if you're just chasing illusions. Ask yourself if you can actually do any better, because you probably cannot.

Just carry the expectation that you will be lucky to experience the same set of results you have thus far, and hope it continues into the future.

Because let's face it, you're not getting any younger and someday your window to fuck lots of hot younger girls will close. So stop expecting things to have a never-ending increase and instead be happy with what you have.

Post: #11

A player can never rest.It is a sad truth you have to learn.No matter how much your looks or your economics deteriorate you are always in for the search of new pussy.It is like an addiction like asking a good eater not to eat.

Post: #12

In for life. And if you end up with a family, it will be even more important.

Chasing women is more of a hobby. Montreal for F1 is badass, and banging 5 women is icing. Guys like Vicious do not go on vacation to sit on a beach and read books. Museums, fine food, good drinks, music, architecture, etc etc is where the vacation happens. Women just make this better. Men like to share what they have earned with a deserving woman. Its in our nature.

You mention the blue pill. But what you forget is all the fear that goes with it. Jealousy being perhaps the biggest manifestation of that fear. Its been too long for you to remember what jealousy even feels like. These guys that are "happy" in their simple ways also go off and drink that 24 case of beer and have a meltdown that their lover is going to leave them, cheat on them, or whatever.

For me taking a rest is cleaning out the harem. Sticking with one for a while (monogamy lasts 4-8 weeks for me) and building fresh.

Post: #13

(06-16-2014 03:32 PM)Laner Wrote:  For me taking a rest is cleaning out the harem. Sticking with one for a while (monogamy lasts 4-8 weeks for me) and building fresh.

That is actually a good approach. That way you have sort of mini-relationships and can get actually more high-quality women who are also relationship-minded (as many Russian girls or some 9-10s are).

Post: #14

Vicious,

This post which I wrote a while ago may interest you. It addresses the subjects that you write about from what you might find to be an unusual perspective.

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(12-16-2013 07:35 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  reaper23,

I read your posts in this thread with great interest.

You find yourself in a position that most men reading this can only dream about. You've had and continue to have great sexual success, having your way with submissive and attractive females, making them fulfill your every fantasy, including threesomes and whatever other scenarios you can think up.

Yet the prevailing note in all of these posts is one of disenchantment and ennui. Rather than feeling grateful for and contented with the superb erotic boons you've enjoyed, you are never far from aggrievedly posing the age-old and classic question, "Is this all there is"?

It is a good and honest question. But it reflects a fundamental confusion that should be addressed.

The life of sexuality and eros that you have enjoyed to such an unusual extent is the life of the body. It is, indeed, one of the greatest bodily felicities that human beings are capable of -- but it is part of the life of the body, nevertheless.

Except in one's extreme youth, the life of the body cannot and should not be the primary life of a man who has a brain in his head. Instead, the life of the mind and of the heart -- thought and feeling -- should be primary. The life of the body should be seen as the icing on the cake -- a delicious icing if one is lucky. But nothing more.

This is not for any moral reasons but simply because for an intelligent man such as yourself the life of the body is necessarily too limited. There is just not enough there. The body has its pleasures and while they should be attended to with some relish, it is a limited field. Whereas the life of the mind is one that is vast and unlimited.

Pursuing the life of the body as if it can be a primary interest that makes one happy is a fool's errand. And it leads to the comedy of trying to think up more and more new twists and variations and fetishes as if the next one will do the trick.

You are challenging the life of the body to give you something that it is not capable of -- the experience of continuing and increasing interest, engagement and variety that only the mind can supply. As a result, you cannot even properly enjoy and appreciate what you have.

The point is not that sex, including spectacular pornographic sex with threesomes etc, is inherently "empty" or "soul-destroying". It is nothing of the sort. It is, at its best, a great and triumphant pleasure. But it cannot bear the burden of being the most important or interesting thing in your life -- no bodily thing can.

I think that reaching a moment like this is a great opportunity. Realize that the life of the body is done for you as the primary source of variety and interest, and turn to the life of the mind. And over time you will find that the aggrieved ennui is gone, that the question of "is this all there is" no longer comes up, and that the field in front of you is truly inexhaustible. And you will be able to enjoy sexual and other pleasures that may come your way with the relish and gratitude they deserve once they're put in their proper place.

Post: #15

I think about this sometimes, although I'm still young, after meeting the occasional girl that ticks every box and I would deem relationship-worthy, I often contemplate taking a break from the game to focus on other aspects of my life and dating the one chick for a while.
I know it's simply impossible to now un-learn everything I've learnt from Game. But I also know that feelings don't last forever and that being equipped with the knowledge that many of us have here is quite useful for any stages of our lives.

Maybe rest comes when you're old enough to be invisible in the sexual marketplace.

Post: #16

Could just be that you're depleted after too many orgasms. If I have three or four in a couple of days, I spend the next day wondering what I'm doing with my life. Purely physical thing. Your mileage will vary according to age and energy levels, but it's a real thing.

Post: #17

This thread is simply on some next level shit with advice that I can't even begin to comprehend since I'm just a newbie in this game!! Will save this one and re-read it when I'll need it for sure. Thanks for the advice on avoiding the player burnout

Post: #18

When can a player rest?

I believe the problem solves itself if you build for yourself an identity which is broader then a mere player. You must find something in your life to achieve totally unrelated to women.

In this new identity - you are still a player, picking up a girl from time to time but this is not your main quest that determines your satisfaction with life. You must put a new challenge before yourself and be preoccupied with it. You still continue to be a player and keep this edge of your personality but your focus lies elsewhere.

It's not like knowing red pill truths forces you to constantly seduce new women without break. You can also do snowboarding or politics or business or stamp collecting while being Game aware and Game using.

Post: #19

Thanks for all the replies so far guys.
I know this probably sound like the most bullshit no-issue to younger guys out there. I would have thought the same if I read it 20 years ago.

(06-16-2014 10:11 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  You've burned yourself out and have come to see women flaking/being hesitant as an insult to you because you know you can fuck these girls but they're not biting. You then delve into the range below 6/10 and become disgusted with yourself.

Nah, while I've been disappointed in the quality for this particular journey I never lose my self-respect. I don't bang girls that makes you want to claw your eyes out (I don't drink much these days so this is easy to manage). It was two-figure years ago I slipped inside that kind of mud turtle (stupidly drunk I was and she attacked me in bed it was practically rape).

I am however the first to admit my acceptable range for boneable women is pretty wide.

(06-16-2014 10:33 AM)soup Wrote:  Vicious, how many girls are you fucking a year?

No clue, I think I'm slightly above a dozen this year. Probably 15-ish.

(06-16-2014 10:33 AM)soup Wrote:  I think you might be expecting too much from this game. Game is a tool to help you get laid in the way that you want. It's like a sword. I wouldn't expect a sword to do anything other than cut.

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(06-16-2014 10:59 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  It is simple.

Don't make Game and the conquest for women your main source of happiness.

Everything is about sex.

Achievement, respect, creative endeavours are all worthwhile pastimes that I also occupy myself with. They are however needs that only become truly relevant when you've first secured your supply of sex.

With that said, making it ones hobby to chase poon is likely not healthy.

(06-16-2014 08:35 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  Vicious,

This post which I wrote a while ago may interest you. It addresses the subjects that you write about from what you might find to be an unusual perspective.

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That was a very interesting read. It does point to the problem. The last paragraph though. Achieving this "transcendence" (at lack for a better word) is obviously not something you can do by just picking up knitting or everyone would do it. As people who do game we eliminate many of the "blue pill" ways that can make life blissful.

(06-16-2014 10:13 AM)Noir Wrote:  Vicious, thank you for sharing your introspective thoughts.

It seems to me that you want to rest. You want to retire for a bit and chase some other stuff. You need something new in your life. Your desire for the chase seems to be dissipating but my understanding, from your post, is that you have achieved a lot of the 'game' related goals members of this forum strive for.

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(06-16-2014 02:57 PM)Samseau Wrote:  This is your problem. You have unrealistic expectations. You should get rid of them.

That I set standards for myself that are near impossible to attain is something I stated in the original post. This is not the real problem however (though it hardly helps). It's getting what I want that leaves me truly disillusioned.

I agree with you about not getting younger though. I want to still be chasing while I'm in my prime, now that I'm picking up fine little things that used to be few and far between when I was a young stud (all hormones and a chip on my shoulder). Still, now that I'm racking them up they don't interest me as much but I fear I will miss it in the future.

Relevant video:

Post: #20

I agree. Sexual satisfaction can release an individuals tension and can allow them to focus on other things more easily.

That said, the drive to have satisfying sex can motivate people to do extraordinary things to procure it. Game cuts to the chase.. It's a b-line to sex.

Post: #21

Frankly I understand where your are.

Some of my best friends are Naturals and some Players who are practically all in relationships or even married. Recently a buddy of mine got busted by his wife on one of his affairs. His wife did not leave him, but it got him thinking whether he should continue the marriage or just be the full blown Playboy.

I know some of his personal goals and I told him that he will be unhappy about it in the long term. I am of similar character - if I let go of my LTR (who is 100% Red-Pill mother-material btw and likes threesomes) then there is this darkness beckoning. Sure I will have plenty of fun fucking lots of women, but ultimately it will not make me happy. I will go into a mode that is more akin to a Player and even more Dark Triad in the future.

So I adviced my friend to keep on to his wife - if it ends in the future, so be it, but going full-blown and 100% happy into the eternal Player-lifestyle is not for everybody - probably not for most men. I think that men like their home, maybe kids and some young honey on the side. You know - the traditional way - how it used to be in the old times for those who could afford it.

Post: #22

(06-16-2014 03:32 PM)Laner Wrote:  In for life. And if you end up with a family, it will be even more important.

Chasing women is more of a hobby. Montreal for F1 is badass, and banging 5 women is icing. Guys like Vicious do not go on vacation to sit on a beach and read books. Museums, fine food, good drinks, music, architecture, etc etc is where the vacation happens. Women just make this better. Men like to share what they have earned with a deserving woman. Its in our nature.

You mention the blue pill. But what you forget is all the fear that goes with it. Jealousy being perhaps the biggest manifestation of that fear. Its been too long for you to remember what jealousy even feels like. These guys that are "happy" in their simple ways also go off and drink that 24 case of beer and have a meltdown that their lover is going to leave them, cheat on them, or whatever.

For me taking a rest is cleaning out the harem. Sticking with one for a while (monogamy lasts 4-8 weeks for me) and building fresh.

Truth. Sometimes I think you are my brother from another mother. Its like you spout lines that I am in the process of thinking about.

Post: #23

Food never taste better than when we are starving The irony of life is the more of anything we get the less and less enjoyable it becomes.

Post: #24

I'm stilll feeling this... my hunger isn't there like it was 10 or even 5 years ago.

Post: #25

(06-16-2014 09:36 AM)Vicious Wrote:  When can a player rest?

Probably when he is compelled to by his plays yielding offspring.