Post: #1

Soooooo, even tho day game has hardly been my area of expertise I have to say I wasn't exactly in love with the idea of making a random observation, asking for directions, yada yada, when opening up a girl when out and about. Going direct just seemed more natural to me...I like this girl I'm just gonna tell her I like her.

I've seen a ton of guys on here promote directness because it screens out girls who aren't dtf and results unless wasted time, possibly more lays etc. But while waiting for the subway recently I opened up this black cutie by commenting on her shoes. asking what brand they are telling her they're cute whatever (side note, I know way more than any straight man should know about woman's shoes) after a brief indirect opener I was able to transition into more blatant direct game get the number and eject.

As far as wasting time goes I may have spent 1-2 extra minutes talking to her by going indirect as opposed to direct, but who fucking cares I'm talking to a cute girl and there are worse ways to spend my time....after going indirect I was able to transition to direct like I said but she had already warmed up to me, so I wasn't just some stranger tapping her on the shoulder and telling her I want to fuck her. When you go indirect at first it essentially makes your cold approach a warm one, and it's a lot harder for a girl to blow u off after she's been chatting with you and u come off as a cool normal guy. After that if your text game is decent it should be an easy meet up...definitely going to experiment with indirect more but wanted to share my observations.

Post: #2

Did you bang her?

Post: #3

closing the deal wed night

Post: #4

Always be closing, because, I can tell you from experience, it's not over until it's over. If you always move forward, you'll more than likely get the bang, if you're complacent, you can let things like these slip through your fingers. Take it from a guy who's had it happen to them a few times before.

Post: #5

"so I wasn't just some stranger tapping her on the shoulder and telling her I want to fuck her."

^If that's what you think going direct is, you're clueless.

Post: #6

Let's wait Christian until he's banged or not. Getting numbers is all good and well but the close is true testament of game

Post: #7

Appreciate the confident tone, but do you think she's off on the internet writing about how she's going to get some D on wed?

Considering it's your first few approaches of this kind, you come off as over-invested. High chance it will spill over into the interaction and she'll dry up

Get a few more interactions under your belt and you'll get that abundance mentality going

Post: #8

So what happened here then?

Post: #9

Congrats dude, way to go, you're on your way. Bangs are at the bottom of the funnel, right now you're at the top. Yes bangs are the goal, but approaching itself is a key piece of that. Learning to approach confidently is the key to the poosy pipeline. You may have 100's of approach's at first before you get any, its a process that demands a lot of work at first. Follow Roosh's plan to approach 100, and do that first.

Post: #10

Being direct is about intention, regardless of the words that come out of your mouth.

You can ask a girl the time on the street and it could be indirect, and the same question could be more likely to be perceived as you hitting on her if you do it in a crowded club on a Saturday night.

Direct just means not trying to hide your intentions, and sometimes going out of your way to make them crystal clear.

I believe that attraction happens instantaneously and that people don't really get attracted over time. The game is how we cover that stuff or release the info to get what we want (on both girls and guys sides).

When you "trick" a girl in the game, you are tricking her into revealing that she likes you. That's why little white lies are just flirting.

I always just assume that the girls are into me, even through the toughest LMR, and that all their shit tests and resistance are just their anxiety.. it's got nothing to with me or how attracted to me she is. All that stuff is the girl's mind/hamster.

I see myself as a sort of midwife to help her attractions come to fruition out of depths of fear and insecurity. I know it's in there. Sometimes you just have to let the girl's mental storms just run their courses. Let it marinate. Other times you do have push a little to move things along.

Direct is just one of those strategies. There are times when it's more comforting for the girl when you go direct. If you play too hard to get, she might get too insecure. With hot girls, you want them to come off their high horse, but you don't want them to start getting dark about themselves.

Post: #11

soup: you've touched on something really important. my game these days is sort of like therapist with these women. unfazed by their shit tests, their emotional ups and downs, the manifestations of their own insecurities - my role is to let all that shit come out and then defuse it all. sometimes by ignoring, sometimes by being direct, other times confrontational, other times by offering them an alternative.

i tend to call it out lightly and say, hey you dont need to do that you know.

women are aware of their crazy and many do want to push through it.

just be a rock, an oak tree, immovable, unfazed, demonstrate mastery of them and the female gender.

most women want to be uninhibited, open, trusting, fearless...and its from their inability to be those things that shit tests/acting out/acting weird come from. 99% of the time them acting weird is them being unable to process their own feelings without it being overridden by some protective mechanism inside.

one night i was making out with a girl on the street alone and when things were getting really good and sexy she just turned around and started walking away - right into oncoming traffic!

she didn't WANT to do that.

she just got scared of what it meant - hot kisses meant sex - sex might mean attachment - if its her getting attached it means she can get hurt - if its me getting attached it means yet another dude trying to wife her (she was really hot) -

as a man, being able to understand the real genesis of those seemingly insane behaviors does many things. 1) it makes you much more calm in the face of crazy. 2) it makes the women think you're some kind of savant. 3) it brings the women closer to a stable point where she can relax and let herself get intimate and open.

I just saw the movie Edge of Tomorrow (spoiler ) - and in the movie the character repeats the same day over and over and over again like 1000's of times it seems. and each day, he learns another small but invaluable piece of information that allows him to make further progress to his goal. so when people around him see him with total calm and mastery over what seems to be an insane situation - they think he is some kind of miracle man. but in reality he had just played this particular game 10,000 times when to them it looks like the first time.

this is the point you want to get to with women. go down the road enough times so that you've seen all the possible outcomes, combinations, permutations...so much so that you can predict woman's behavior easily as well as really cut right down to the source of all their behavior. they will look at you like some kind of god. or at the very least consistently exclaim "you are not like any man i've ever met before!" or "why are you still single?!" or "I (the woman) better not fuck this up"

women want men who are able to master them, coach them, guide them to a higher level of being. do that while creating a safe space for her to explore her sexuality and you'll have a dedicated lover for as long as you would like.

Post: #12

Damn, this thread started off lame and got really good.

(07-16-2014 11:38 AM)soup Wrote:  I see myself as a sort of midwife to help her attractions come to fruition out of depths of fear and insecurity. I know it's in there. Sometimes you just have to let the girl's mental storms just run their courses. Let it marinate. Other times you do have push a little to move things along.

Direct is just one of those strategies. There are times when it's more comforting for the girl when you go direct. If you play too hard to get, she might get too insecure. With hot girls, you want them to come off their high horse, but you don't want them to start getting dark about themselves.

That's some serious zen shit right there. Soup, would you say that direct comforts her when she she's attracted, and your being direct calls out the elephant in the room?

(07-17-2014 08:55 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  soup: you've touched on something really important. my game these days is sort of like therapist with these women. unfazed by their shit tests, their emotional ups and downs, the manifestations of their own insecurities - my role is to let all that shit come out and then defuse it all. sometimes by ignoring, sometimes by being direct, other times confrontational, other times by offering them an alternative.

Just not reactive - you blow up at a chick and it's almost always going to turn out bad.

Quote:women want men who are able to master them, coach them, guide them to a higher level of being. do that while creating a safe space for her to explore her sexuality and you'll have a dedicated lover for as long as you would like.

Fucking love this post, reaper. Good stuff.

Post: #13

(07-16-2014 11:38 AM)soup Wrote:  Being direct is about intention, regardless of the words that come out of your mouth.

You can ask a girl the time on the street and it could be indirect, and the same question could be more likely to be perceived as you hitting on her if you do it in a crowded club on a Saturday night.

Direct just means not trying to hide your intentions, and sometimes going out of your way to make them crystal clear.

I believe that attraction happens instantaneously and that people don't really get attracted over time. The game is how we cover that stuff or release the info to get what we want (on both girls and guys sides).

When you "trick" a girl in the game, you are tricking her into revealing that she likes you. That's why little white lies are just flirting.

I always just assume that the girls are into me, even through the toughest LMR, and that all their shit tests and resistance are just their anxiety.. it's got nothing to with me or how attracted to me she is. All that stuff is the girl's mind/hamster.

I see myself as a sort of midwife to help her attractions come to fruition out of depths of fear and insecurity. I know it's in there. Sometimes you just have to let the girl's mental storms just run their courses. Let it marinate. Other times you do have push a little to move things along.

Direct is just one of those strategies. There are times when it's more comforting for the girl when you go direct. If you play too hard to get, she might get too insecure. With hot girls, you want them to come off their high horse, but you don't want them to start getting dark about themselves.

Even though it's flirting with game denialism, I think there is something profound contained in this advice.

Post: #14

I'm still waiting for the OP.