Post: #1

Just arrived in st petersburg Russia, after 1 month in Moscow.

Former seat of the Russian aristocracy during Russia's Golden Age. The city itself is quite beautiful. It has a different feel from Moscow. More casual, laid back attitude. But still a bustling metropolis. Think going from New York, to San Fransisco, as the closest western comparison.

Parts of it feel fancy. It has a more European vibe. The arts are a big deal here. I hear opera singers belting out in the buildings I walk past, whereas Moscow had more of a corporate, business feel. The weather is windy & rainy every other day here. If you're lucky, you will get a few nice sunny days.

There are many more tourists out during the day in St Petersburg than I was expecting. Kind of annoying, but at least not on the level of say Prague.

Ok, ok...what about the girls?

The women in St Petersburg are, unfortunately, not as hot as the women in Moscow. The average is still 7 in both cities, but St Peter women don't dress as sexy as Moscow women do. Less effort = less daily boner effect. But they are still mostly thin and attractive, in line with EE standards. They're also bit curvier on average compared to moscow girls, who are are some of the thinnest EE's around, after Wroclaw girls. I see more big tits here than in Moscow, which is nice. I guess they need better insulation up here to survive the colder winters. I'm not complaining.

As far as faces go, St Peter is similar to Poland, where you see lots of nice fit bodies, with rather average looking faces. If you want pretty, disney princess looking faces, you want to be in Scandinavia anyway, not Russia. Here it's more of that angular, model look.

There are more blondes & redheads to be seen up here than down in Moscow, which came as no surprise. English is not as widespread in St Peter. More girls I approach here don't speak it. I'd say just under 50%.

There are more women walking with their best friends & moms in St Peter, compared to Moscow where I saw more independent, 9-5 working girl types. St Petersburg is more conservative, culturally & sexually. Pipelining takes more effort to get logistics. Actually, online game has been a total bust for me. All flaked. And I know my online dating shit. Plus I planned in advance.

St Peter is a bit more affordable than Moscow (which is expensive as fuck), but not by much. Rent in the city center costs almost the same. The food is cheaper than in Moscow, but just about as terrible tasting.

The best thing St Peter, and Russia in general has going for it, is the receptiveness of the women. Both during the day, and out in the nightlife. Because of this, I'd still put St Peter in one of my top 5 cities for game, despite it's imperfections.

Nevsky Prospect is the main street. It runs a straight line through the city center, and is the best place I found so far for daygame. There are parks all over the place. They don't have as many targets, but they are more comfortable to game, due to lower road noise and less chaotic distractions as found on Nevsky. Like Moscow, getting instadates here = EZ mode. I spent 1-2 hour blocks with different hotties. Chatting on benches, drinking tea, and other slow roll type shit to setup a day 2. Don't come to St Peter unless you have at least 1 week to make the magic happen. Preferably 2. Non-club girls move even slower here than in Moscow. It's only been 4 days, and I've met multiple virgins who are already in their early 20's.

There's a huge indoor shopping mall called Galleria. This would be the go-to place for cold weather day game. Additionally, the whole city block sized building on the south side of Nevsky prospect metro is an indoor shopping center, a little cheaper, and without the name brand stores found in the Galleria.

Night here is very fun. And I don't usually like nightlife. Its much less pretentious and snooty than Moscow nightlife. People are just having a great time all around. At night, the women get dolled up nicely. Perhaps not to the level of Moscow, but close. Nightlife here feels more down to earth.

All the good bars & clubs are on the intersection of Dumskaya & Lumunosova street. Fidel (dirty, filthy place), Rhino bar, Cube bar (my personal favorite), Soul kitchen, Lomonosov (3 floors of hotties). There's a big club that begins with an R, down 2 blocks to the east, and is a larger venue, and definitely worth the walk. Sorry, I can't seem to find the name.

I did get cockblocked there, and almost got into a fight, which rarely happens to me. Just some drunk Russian white knight orbiters who got overprotective of their lady friend, who was all over me in the club. Besides this isolated incident, I had a great time chatting up hot girls Saturday night. Most had boyfriends there at the club with them. The available ones didn't speak English well enough for me to plow. Broke into a few social cliques who were curious to talk to an American.

Anyway, I'm gonna stick to my day game regimen a bit longer up here and try to make something happen.

Bottom line? St Petersburg isn't the best EE city for anything. Moscow has hotter girls. Wroclaw has more targets. Prague has more sluts. But St Peter has no glaring drawbacks either. It's a runner up, all across the board. Arctic winters not withstanding, I'd put it in a solid second place, for almost every category.

St Peter is like the reliable go-to rotation girl. She may not be a dime piece who has everything you really want, but she's got what you need.

For a westerner, there's a lot to like here. The hard part is to merely shake that nagging feeling, that poosy paradise might be someplace else...

Post: #2

This really makes me want to visit Peter because I just did not like the vibe in Moscow. Lower English is good for me too. Added bonus is that I believe you can hit up Helsinki on a 3 hr ferry ride, so if you're here for two weeks you can do another country easily as a fun 2-3 day trip with a girl or solo.

Post: #3

(07-08-2014 06:35 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  As far as faces go, St Peter is similar to Poland, where you see lots of nice fit bodies, with rather average looking faces. If you want pretty, disney princess looking faces, you want to be in Scandinavia anyway, not Russia. Here it's more of that angular, model look.

Courage could you rank faces for Disney Princess Beauty of a handful of countries in your opinion between Scandanavia and EE? I like that look and am always curious where it is at.

Something like:
1) Norway
2) Sweden
3) Finland
4) Ukraine
5) Russia
6) Romania
7) Czech Rep.
8) Poland

?

Post: #4

Throw up some photos of some of the totty you see out on the street if you can!

Post: #5

Nice post CR really interesting to hear your views on Peter and I'm glad you come out liking it on the whole. The city is like a big museum and there's a to of beautiful things to see and do. Very much of a laid-back vibe IMO esp compared to Moscow - heh, I've actually used that NY versus SF comparison a few times when describing the difference. Women to me were not as good there as Moscow as you said, but they are still pretty darn good.

Have you checked out Buddah Bar? Bit out of the way but when I was there there was a higher end scene by the big bar area. Just an idea, might be good for a date too - it's a bit expensive there though but not completely crazy like most of Moscow.

Post: #6

^ thanks Akula. But I've been to enough buddah bars around the world to know it's not my scene.


Shortly after my original post, I met just the type of girl you'd want to meet in st peter. A true fine arts ballet girl. Perfect porcelain skin. Looks like Russian royalty. Rocks the tight hair bun & everything.

I put in 4 dates during my week long stay. After the 4th date, I told her she was coming to my place. She stomped her feet in protest, but I just kept grinning like a bastard, and told the cab driver to go to my place. She kissed me passionately, and told me it was too soon. "We're not going to have sex" I promised. "do you promise?" she asked. "yes" I said. "fine then. I will trust you."

We made it into the bed. She kept her dress on, curled up into a ball, and went to sleep. I tried to initiate, but she kept reminding me, "you promised!" She was right. Still, I was too turned on to sleep. Then I remembered those words of wisdom; When in doubt, whip it out.

She acted like she never saw a dick before. "what you want I do?". I put her hand on it, and taught her from step 1 how to give a bj. She seemed to enjoy it. Afterward she said, "I never do". I still don't know if she meant that she doesn't usually give BJ's, or if she meant that it was something she genuinely has never done before.

Afterwards she left to go home. Next day I told her I was leaving Russia, but wanted to see her again that night. She txtd me back that she could not, because she was still not ready for sex, and needed more time.

I will Miss St Peter, and my Russian princess for sure. Have a damn good reason to return.

Post: #7

(07-08-2014 06:35 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  As far as faces go, St Peter is similar to Poland, where you see lots of nice fit bodies, with rather average looking faces. If you want pretty, disney princess looking faces, you want to be in Scandinavia anyway, not Russia.

Bottom line? St Petersburg isn't the best EE city for anything. Moscow has hotter girls. Wroclaw has more targets. Prague has more sluts.

Where would you place Tallinn in regards to the face thing, seeing as it's sort of Scandi/Slavic? Also, where would you place it in regards to that second point?

Post: #8

(07-13-2014 04:49 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 06:35 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  As far as faces go, St Peter is similar to Poland, where you see lots of nice fit bodies, with rather average looking faces. If you want pretty, disney princess looking faces, you want to be in Scandinavia anyway, not Russia.

Bottom line? St Petersburg isn't the best EE city for anything. Moscow has hotter girls. Wroclaw has more targets. Prague has more sluts.

Where would you place Tallinn in regards to the face thing, seeing as it's sort of Scandi/Slavic? Also, where would you place it in regards to that second point?

If I may chime in on the conversation: I think it largely boils down to personal preference, but Tallinn can offer both scandinavian looking and russian looking chicks. Even more so the latter. Here, lots of stunners are walking about, but like many have said, the exotic effect is wearing off and ONS culture isn't that cultivated.

It is interesting, that actually st petersbourg and the whole north-western region of russia was historically Finno-Ugric. In a way, the genes of finno-ugric tribes have rooted down in a way that can still be noticed today, hundreds of years after the tribes were conquered and put under one rule.

For example, if you would say Vladimir Putin has a genuine russian face, then it would be far from truth. People with this kind of look are usually from Finland or the baltics. Most russians fall into two completely different phenotype, they are either black-haired and hairy or blondish with a scandinavian feel to it.

I think both the cultural and financial aspects in Scandinavia and Russia bring us down to the fact that baltics are one of the best all-round countries if you'd like to enjoy both scandinavians and slavics.

Post: #9

The message I take from the recent Russia threads is that the place has been majorly over-hyped. The quality of the women is a disappointment. When you add the weather, visa, bad food, gopniks,etc...into the equation it just doesn't seem worth the bother.

I wonder what the next RVF shrangri-la will be. Africa?

Post: #10

(07-08-2014 07:15 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 06:35 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  As far as faces go, St Peter is similar to Poland, where you see lots of nice fit bodies, with rather average looking faces. If you want pretty, disney princess looking faces, you want to be in Scandinavia anyway, not Russia. Here it's more of that angular, model look.

Courage could you rank faces for Disney Princess Beauty of a handful of countries in your opinion between Scandanavia and EE? I like that look and am always curious where it is at.

Something like:
1) Norway
2) Sweden
3) Finland
4) Ukraine
5) Russia
6) Romania
7) Czech Rep.
8) Poland

?

I've been thinking about this question. I've decided they can't be ranked in a linear way.

Never been to Romania.

Poland I would rank last. Still many pretties, but also many butter faces. Even the pretties in Poland often still have an element of butter face.

Czech faces have the most "wow" factor. The most unique color combinations. And unique, special snowflake type looks.

Russia & Ukraine have the most consistently pretty faces. Ukraine bigger eyes, more symmetrical. Russia stronger features.

The scandis are very hit & miss. But of the rare girl who's face here hits "very pretty", she'll hit the prettiest of all. Finnish girls have the highest "potential" pretty. But also the most rare to find. Danish probably the lowest potential of the 5, on average.

Estonian girls are a perfect hybrid of scandi & slavic features. They are more consistently pretty than the 5 scandi countries.

While we're talking about the north, I also find Scottish girls to be very pretty. Often with huge eyes, and small mouths.

Post: #11

(07-14-2014 06:33 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 07:15 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 06:35 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  As far as faces go, St Peter is similar to Poland, where you see lots of nice fit bodies, with rather average looking faces. If you want pretty, disney princess looking faces, you want to be in Scandinavia anyway, not Russia. Here it's more of that angular, model look.

Courage could you rank faces for Disney Princess Beauty of a handful of countries in your opinion between Scandanavia and EE? I like that look and am always curious where it is at.

Something like:
1) Norway
2) Sweden
3) Finland
4) Ukraine
5) Russia
6) Romania
7) Czech Rep.
8) Poland

?

I've been thinking about this question. I've decided they can't be ranked in a linear way.

Never been to Romania.

Poland I would rank last. Still many pretties, but also many butter faces. Even the pretties in Poland often still have an element of butter face.

Czech faces have the most "wow" factor. The most unique color combinations. And unique, special snowflake type looks.

Russia & Ukraine have the most consistently pretty faces. Ukraine bigger eyes, more symmetrical. Russia stronger features.

The scandis are very hit & miss. But of the rare girl who's face here hits "very pretty", she'll hit the prettiest of all. Finnish girls have the highest "potential" pretty. But also the most rare to find. Danish probably the lowest potential of the 5, on average.

Estonian girls are a perfect hybrid of scandi & slavic features. They are more consistently pretty than the 5 scandi countries.

While we're talking about the north, I also find Scottish girls to be very pretty. Often with huge eyes, and small mouths.

damn mate, i like your posts - but scottish girls are rough as shit in general lol. you spent much time there?

Post: #12

(07-14-2014 11:43 AM)Hed Onist Wrote:  The message I take from the recent Russia threads is that the place has been majorly over-hyped. The quality of the women is a disappointment. When you add the weather, visa, bad food, gopniks,etc...into the equation it just doesn't seem worth the bother.

It depends on your frame of reference. A lot of American guys tend to prefer more curvy body types, olive skin, wide faces and direct personalities. That makes the girls from Hungary, Ukraine, and Southern Russia well-suited.

For me, it's the opposite. I didn't see one attractive girl in Hungary and met only a handful of girls in Ukraine who I would consider above a 7 with all things considered (looks, status and personality, etc.). I did actually manage to date one of the hottest girls I've ever met in Kiev, but she was Armenian. It would have been difficult to catch her in Russia because I think the dating scene in SPB and Moscow is tougher.

However, keep in mind that I'm a big city guy, I come from the other side of the Atlantic and have lived in Russia for a long time, I don't speak English here and I know the cultural nuances, local etiquette, etc. All of that gives me a different frame of reference and different preferences in women.

Post: #13

(07-14-2014 11:43 AM)Hed Onist Wrote:  The message I take from the recent Russia threads is that the place has been majorly over-hyped. The quality of the women is a disappointment. When you add the weather, visa, bad food, gopniks,etc...into the equation it just doesn't seem worth the bother.

I wonder what the next RVF shrangri-la will be. Africa?

You should stay at home. Between your negative comments in the Philippines thread and this one, I am certain you are on the wrong forum.

Post: #14

Very nice report man. Thanks!

(07-08-2014 06:35 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  There are more blondes & redheads to be seen up here than down in Moscow, which came as no surprise.

What is the reason why there are more redheads&Blonds in St. Peter than in Moskva? I am just curious.

Btw, here is a guy from colombia who also compared the both cities:
http://vagamundeando.co/moscow-or-saint-petersburg/

Post: #15

(10-31-2018 10:11 AM)AkiKinnunen Wrote:  Very nice report man. Thanks!

(07-08-2014 06:35 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  There are more blondes & redheads to be seen up here than down in Moscow, which came as no surprise.

What is the reason why there are more redheads&Blonds in St. Peter than in Moskva? I am just curious.

Btw, here is a guy from colombia who also compared the both cities:
http://vagamundeando.co/moscow-or-saint-petersburg/

In general, the closer a city/country is to Scandinavia, the more blonde hair there will be. SPB is very close.

Post: #16

(10-31-2018 01:00 PM)Cam Newton Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 10:11 AM)AkiKinnunen Wrote:  Very nice report man. Thanks!

(07-08-2014 06:35 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  There are more blondes & redheads to be seen up here than down in Moscow, which came as no surprise.

What is the reason why there are more redheads&Blonds in St. Peter than in Moskva? I am just curious.

Btw, here is a guy from colombia who also compared the both cities:
http://vagamundeando.co/moscow-or-saint-petersburg/

In general, the closer a city/country is to Scandinavia, the more blonde hair there will be. SPB is very close.

Oh, ok, makes sense. I think I got it now.