Post: #1

In the initial stages of dating, as far as you're concerned, women have to give you 100% cooperation or you have 0% interest.

A lot of times, girls will give you that half-in, half-out kind of vibe, like, "ya, I'd love to go, it sounds fun, but my aunt is here this weekend, and we might have family plans for the night, I want to go, so hopefully we get to have our night, I'll keep you posted".

When the girl is giving you that kind of communication, you have to just scratch the possibility all together.

If you've already indicated that you have a plan with her, then don't respond right away, let it stew for a minute, and then hit her back with something that let's her know the plans are off, and you hope she enjoys the time with her family, and leave it at that.

Don't suggest another date or alternative plan, if she really wants to link up, she'll re-engage you, then you'll know she's really down.

Now you might say, wait you're being unreasonable, what if she really does have family plans?

You can be a little bit more flexible with chicks who you've already established something with, it is unreasonable to expect people to be available at every moment that you want them to be, but that's not the point.

Your time is valuable. It makes no sense to make a concrete plan and get excited about someone who isn't committing 100% to the game plan. That half-in, half-out shit is a telegraph that a flake is coming, which will leave you rather disappointed and reeling on a night you were planning to have a great time. You also have to take these explanations with a grain of salt, a lot of times, girls are just lining up their options, and then ultimately they accept one, and everyone else gets discarded.

This is disrespectful to you as a man.

I recently had a chick give me that half-in, half-out bullshit, and the night we were supposed to go out, I ended up taking another chick out, I showed her a great time, and then afterwards we fucked like animals until the sun came up -- always have back up plans, you should be doing something that you're going to do regardless if the girl accompanies you or not.

That could have been her, but it wasn't; her loss, not mine.

You'll eliminate a lot of frustration in this game, if you play by your rules. Remember when chicks are down, they are down, a chick will blow off damn near anything if she really wants to spend time with a guy, especially someone new, who she's really excited about and wants to make a good impression for, so if they're setting you up with anything less than 100% cooperation, then you're just not interested.

Post: #2

Jariel,

I just had a Tinder girl say she couldn't make a first meet on a night I suggested because it's her birthday and friends are taking her out to dinner. She didn't suggest a different day. I didn't respond.

How long would you wait to before suggesting a new date later in the future or would you next her? She's been responsive and playful in text so far.

Post: #3

(08-21-2014 11:31 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  Jariel,

I just had a Tinder girl say she couldn't make a first meet on a night I suggested because it's her birthday and friends are taking her out to dinner. She didn't suggest a different day. I didn't respond.

How long would you wait to before suggesting a new date later in the future or would you next her? She's been responsive and playful in text so far.

I mean texting is just texting, it doesn't really take any effort, so at this point, you kind of have to look at it as she hasn't really invested anything.

The fact that it's her birthday, seems like a great time to link up, she'll be in a great mood and she'll look good, even if it's for a drink before she goes off with her friends or another date, so my question is, how down is she really?

As far as I'm concerned, forget about her, if she really wants to link up, let her re-engage you.

I look at it as, you've done your part, you've initiated the interaction, and she knows what's up, you're not asking her to lead anything, you're asking her to do her part, which is get with the game plan, if she can't do that, then she's not worth your time.

Post: #4

A critical part of game is realizing who's down and who's a dead end. Some noobs, either just starting out in game or those with no game at all think they can use some sort of wizardry to convince girls to fuck them. You can't. Girls are either gonna fuck you or they're not, and it's mostly due to initial attraction and chemistry. Game keeps you from fucking up but it doesn't magically take girls who have no interest and convert them into wanting you.

I agree with the OP but would take it a step further and say that I need to see 100% cooperation at all times. And I don't mean that she's wrapped around my finger and does every little thing I say, and the moment she doesn't I leave -- what I mean is...if this chick is not genuinely excited to hear from me when I text/call, or isn't genuinely excited to be around me when we hang out in person, then I really don't need to be seeing her.

I like a challenge from time to time and some girls try to play it cool with you and act like they could take or leave you, but their body language and other factors tell you otherwise; but she would really have to have the goods for me to go through that trouble of working for it.

In most circumstances, if this chick isn't giddy and bubbly around me, I eject.

Post: #5

+1

This is exactly why double-booking and back up planning is standard practice as far as I am concerned

When I hear that first sign of wavering, I'm making other plans. Period point blank.

Even with solid plans in place, you shouldn't get too confident. As a rule of thumb, I always see who else is possibly open just in case

The example you gave is textbook almost verbatim from a girl that's already setting her flake excuse or an early bail out plan

Either she is all in for the night or nothing at all.

Last thing you want to be doing is fighting the clock when you are trying to get the panties

Post: #6

Let's put it this way. If I flake or even set up a flake with a girl, it means I'm not really interested.

Post: #7

100% true. Can confirm all of this in the past 3 months and before that.

It is crucial that you have different options. Is she flaking on a fri/sat date? Well you can still go out or do a last minute blitz of Tinder or early evening/late afternoon game where you live.

It becomes annoying when you have no other options which forces you to keep going and get other women in your sights.

Abundance is always good.



Just don't bump into a flake date having a miserable time with another girl on your arm like I did few weeks ago.

Post: #8

(08-21-2014 12:14 PM)Mister X Wrote:  A critical part of game is realizing who's down and who's a dead end. Some noobs, either just starting out in game or those with no game at all think they can use some sort of wizardry to convince girls to fuck them. You can't. Girls are either gonna fuck you or they're not, and it's mostly due to initial attraction and chemistry. Game keeps you from fucking up but it doesn't magically take girls who have no interest and convert them into wanting you.

I agree with the OP but would take it a step further and say that I need to see 100% cooperation at all times. And I don't mean that she's wrapped around my finger and does every little thing I say, and the moment she doesn't I leave -- what I mean is...if this chick is not genuinely excited to hear from me when I text/call, or isn't genuinely excited to be around me when we hang out in person, then I really don't need to be seeing her.

I like a challenge from time to time and some girls try to play it cool with you and act like they could take or leave you, but their body language and other factors tell you otherwise; but she would really have to have the goods for me to go through that trouble of working for it.

In most circumstances, if this chick isn't giddy and bubbly around me, I eject.

I'd have to disagree with you about game not being able to change a girls mind.
There are many stories on the forum about having game brought a girl back from the edge.
The more experienced you get the more you see "game" giving you a 2nd chance where there normally wouldn't be one.

Post: #9

(08-21-2014 11:23 AM)jariel Wrote:  In the initial stages of dating, as far as you're concerned, women have to give you 100% cooperation or you have 0% interest.

A lot of times, girls will give you that half-in, half-out kind of vibe, like, "ya, I'd love to go, it sounds fun, but my aunt is here this weekend, and we might have family plans for the night, I want to go, so hopefully we get to have our night, I'll keep you posted".

When the girl is giving you that kind of communication, you have to just scratch the possibility all together.

If you've already indicated that you have a plan with her, then don't respond right away, let it stew for a minute, and then hit her back with something that let's her know the plans are off, and you hope she enjoys the time with her family, and leave it at that.

Don't suggest another date or alternative plan, if she really wants to link up, she'll re-engage you, then you'll know she's really down.

Now you might say, wait you're being unreasonable, what if she really does have family plans?

You can be a little bit more flexible with chicks who you've already established something with, it is unreasonable to expect people to be available at every moment that you want them to be, but that's not the point.

Your time is valuable. It makes no sense to make a concrete plan and get excited about someone who isn't committing 100% to the game plan. That half-in, half-out shit is a telegraph that a flake is coming, which will leave you rather disappointed and reeling on a night you were planning to have a great time. You also have to take these explanations with a grain of salt, a lot of times, girls are just lining up their options, and then ultimately they accept one, and everyone else gets discarded.

This is disrespectful to you as a man.

I recently had a chick give me that half-in, half-out bullshit, and the night we were supposed to go out, I ended up taking another chick out, I showed her a great time, and then afterwards we fucked like animals until the sun came up -- always have back up plans, you should be doing something that you're going to do regardless if the girl accompanies you or not.

That could have been her, but it wasn't; her loss, not mine.

You'll eliminate a lot of frustration in this game, if you play by your rules. Remember when chicks are down, they are down, a chick will blow off damn near anything if she really wants to spend time with a guy, especially someone new, who she's really excited about and wants to make a good impression for, so if they're setting you up with anything less than 100% cooperation, then you're just not interested.

This is really great advice and very well reasoned. +1 from me.

I ran into this today with a woman (solid 8 blonde Ukrainian) who texted me "Oh I'm working so hard, I probably won't be able to meet up this week, maybe next."

Deep down I knew that she isn't 100% into me and therefore I need to put her in the 'low probability' category & move on. Hell, as the OP said a chick will find time to hang out with a dude if she really digs him so her BS excuse doesn't fly with me one bit. So I told her fine just let me know.

But I'm fooling myself and wasting time waiting around for that one, and if by some chance she does get back to me I'll double book dates that day for sure. If these girls won't invest even a little at this juncture of the game for something as simple as a quick date then it's probably a losing battle to begin with.

Lately I've been getting so much more pleasure out of spending time with girls in the 6.5-7 category who are much more pleasant to be with and don't play so many games. It's just a world of difference really and I rarely encounter the wishy-washy behavior like the OP mentions. So I think a lot of it might just be with these higher-end girls who are say 7.5+ (the ones that get an inordinate amount of attention).