Post: #1

I ll admit that for the time being I can not write books and live off of it like Roosh, or becomes a famous DJ, or do whatever you high rollers do. I was once a bluepill guy who graduated with a BA and now doing an MA.

If I have to pick a corporate job, which one is the most redpill friendly? aka you dont get charges of harassment for talking with secretary, people dont mind you expressing yourself just a little bit, and the bosses are usually not pussy whipped? Standard 40h work that leaves you time and energy in the evening and weekend to go gaming? And enough saving to go travel time to time (60k a year)

Im finishing an MA in professional sociology, but got a good internship at one of the biggest finance investment firm in Europe, so I can leverage that. I like going into Market research/Marketing/Business Stategy.

What kind of jobs and positions are available out there that will not claim your redpill soul?

Post: #2

(09-03-2014 03:16 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  ...
What kind of jobs and positions are available out there that will not claim your redpill soul?

Goldman Sachs, some investment banks, International Hedge Funds - but frankly if you join a big corporation and are able to rise anywhere up and then have some time travelling or meeting with clients, who are 100% men, then you have plenty of times for going out with them and having Mad Men time.

I've seen scenes of corporate debauchery where all men went to strip clubs, brothels, clubs for pick-up - everything on company funds as part of "marketing and sales" expenses. If you work in sales and deal with clients similar to an account man of the Mad Men times, then you experience everything. If you manage to reach higher echelons, then you may even order escorts to your office with impunity on company funds, but most do not reach that level.

Also interesting is casino & liquor industries. Especially the liquor business in sales can be great fun. I know a vodka guy who always negotiates with clubs spending his time at those places, dealing with clients & pretty girls on a daily basis.

Post: #3

Accounting or HR manager at a brothel.

Post: #4

Anything where you work by yourself completely unsupervised. You finish all your work in a few hours and then spend the rest of your time reading books, writing, or planning a side gig. As long as your work is done, everyone thinks you're the best employee in the world. No one breaths down your neck or gives you shit.

Just keep your politics to yourself, mind your own business, dont rock the boat, dont get involved in office drama. Just do your work and be done. They'll think you're the rock star employee and little do they know you finish all your work in a couple hours and spend the rest of the time improving your life.

Post: #5

Any client service job and/or sales job.

I transitioned from a less expressive Corporate set of jobs to a more expressive Corporate red pill job and got to leverage the same skillets I gained over the years.

I was an accountant. Now, I do business development aka sales for an accounting and finance staffing firm. We shoot the shit all the time, bust each other's balls and have a good time. I am also getting these guys into pocket squares. I wear one everyday and people act like it's the coolest thing. And girls giggle.

I have separate threads on my transition and what I went through if you want to peruse.

Post: #6

(09-03-2014 07:05 AM)objectivist tree Wrote:  Anything where you work by yourself completely unsupervised. You finish all your work in a few hours and then spend the rest of your time reading books, writing, or planning a side gig. As long as your work is done, everyone thinks you're the best employee in the world. No one breaths down your neck or gives you shit.

Just keep your politics to yourself, mind your own business, dont rock the boat, dont get involved in office drama. Just do your work and be done. They'll think you're the rock star employee and little do they know you finish all your work in a couple hours and spend the rest of the time improving your life.

Cool. In what sectors and what kind of position am I likely to find that type of autonomy? What do you work as?

@Cobra: yes I would love to read them. Can you post here or PM me? Thanks man.

Post: #7

Anything in mining or petroleum still tends to be fairly red pill and dominated by an Old Boys Club. Your degree sort of limits your opportunities in those fields. You're not going to end up with a technical position at all. I'm sure the standard corporate jobs (HR, IR etc.) would be available but I don't know how red pill those are. I've worked with some investor relations guys over the years that seem to have a pretty good gig. They mostly just wine and dine investors. Spend most of the day on the phone.

Post: #8

Quote:Anything where you work by yourself completely unsupervised.

Agreed. Anywhere there is easy/prestigious work, you are going to find a ton of women (office politics). For any job that nobody wants, like security or janitorial work, you pretty much have a safe bet that there won't be any women involved and if there are, you can get away from them pretty easily. I don't think there is a single corporate job that you can get that will take you away from incompetent women managers and 'office administrators', HR women... its generally a nightmare from start to finish.

Post: #9

Can't give you a specific job, but anything in finance would be a good bet. Your sociology won't be of much use, but maybe your internship could help.

Also, you wrote you'd like to get into marketing, forget about it if you want a "redpill job", there are so many women in that field (probably because it's harder to tell a good employee from a bad one than in other fields, so everyone can think they're good at it) that implicit rules are made to cater to women. Looks like HR is in the same boat, but don't quote me on that.

Post: #10

Basically any job that you get long blocks of alone time and can dictate your own work flow.

I'd be careful about expressing red pill views at work. Just like politics and religion it can adversely effect some people that over hear you.

Post: #11

(09-03-2014 10:06 AM)Pantheon Dweller Wrote:  Can't give you a specific job, but anything in finance would be a good bet. Your sociology won't be of much use, but maybe your internship could help.

Also, you wrote you'd like to get into marketing, forget about it if you want a "redpill job", there are so many women in that field (probably because it's harder to tell a good employee from a bad one than in other fields, so everyone can think they're good at it) that implicit rules are made to cater to women. Looks like HR is in the same boat, but don't quote me on that.

It all depends on how the leadership is. If your boss is a cool modern alpha type boss, he will (of course not 'she'), keep office bitching and gossiping to a minimum, while creating an independent working environment. Or this is at least what has been the goal for European high knowledge businesses for some years now. I realize that American shops are still run more strict and cubicle like outside Silicon Valley.

I have two distinct experiences in my that field. One was a company of 30 or so, with maybe 65-35 men to women, the boss was young, cool and involved. Made sure everyone got jobs they wanted to do and there was a large degree of autonomy. He would also make sure there wasn't gossiping and office bs. Called out the women on a couple of occasions and asked them to lay off the typical chick bs. As a result, the work environment was masculine and there was no feminist bs. People could say what they wanted and work how they liked as long as they delivered results. It worked and worked well.

The other was in a massive corporation with clearly defined departments and cog in the wheel type work environment. The boss here was older, not involved, had 50-50 men to women or maybe even 40-60 and the place was a cesspool of bullying, gossiping and bs. Quit after a week, since I could see were it would lead. The only way I would have stayed was if I saw a promotion within a year so I could have fired the bitches.

Post: #12

(09-03-2014 07:35 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(09-03-2014 07:05 AM)objectivist tree Wrote:  Anything where you work by yourself completely unsupervised. You finish all your work in a few hours and then spend the rest of your time reading books, writing, or planning a side gig. As long as your work is done, everyone thinks you're the best employee in the world. No one breaths down your neck or gives you shit.

Just keep your politics to yourself, mind your own business, dont rock the boat, dont get involved in office drama. Just do your work and be done. They'll think you're the rock star employee and little do they know you finish all your work in a couple hours and spend the rest of the time improving your life.

Cool. In what sectors and what kind of position am I likely to find that type of autonomy? What do you work as?

@Cobra: yes I would love to read them. Can you post here or PM me? Thanks man.

I used to work in chemical sales for a large agribusiness corporation and it's exactly like objectivist tree described.

I managed a territory that encompassed most of the state in which I lived, and worked from home 95% of the time. As long as my sales numbers were good, no one really cared how I spent my time. I would think most outside sales positions would provide similar benefits.

As far as the industry goes, Ag isn't that exciting, but if you enjoy farming and/or related activities it's actually a great business to be in. 99.9% of everyone you interact with is male, and generally pretty masculine. Customer entertainment centers around eating good food, getting drunk at sporting events, and hunting/fishing. And while businesses may go up and down, the industry isn't going anywhere. People are always going to need to eat.

Feel free to PM if you have any questions.

Post: #13

Anything oilfield. My job is probably about 2/3rds office/shop and the rest is field.

Its 90% guys, and generally the women who get into these sorts of fields know the score and are cool. You're working with these people, very tough living conditions, and there are a thousand and one ways to be killed, so if someone else doesn't do their job it can affect you. Because of that you get so close to these people and they often become good friends, and you have the sort of racist/sexist jokes and banter would get you fired in a normal office in days, but that you would say around your friends. My buddy came in one day and was just going on about banging Colombian hookers, we found vacuum cleaner parts one day so we gave them to one of the girls because she'd know what to do with them. She thought it was funny. Again though the frame here is more 'friends working together' rather than 'strangers coming to the same office for a job'

We had one black guy and were doing a job in south texas where the guy we were hired out to was clearly racist as fuck, so we just trolled him and the black guy pretended he was our slave through with words, actions and demeanor. We thought it was funny as shit, because we were just giving him enough rope to hang himself and show his true colors. He was telling us things like "Thats right! I like how you're handling him". Borat Style I guess. I don't know what other sorts of industries that would fly in.

I think part of the reason is because I would call oil field, or construction, or basically anything that's not pushing paper, actual work. There is very little leeway for slackers and whiners. If you're going to get 'offended' then everyone else is going to make your life difficult.

Post: #14

In today's corporate environment there are vanishingly few office/desk jobs that would allow you to be openly red pill. The only way you're going to find that experience in a corporate job at all is if the job meets at least two of these three critieria:

1) It's results-based
2) It's largely autonomous
3) It's dirty/dangerous

So is it possible to find a red pill environment working in outside sales? Yes - it's results-based and autonomous. Could you find a red pill environment doing some kind of maintenance or construction work? Yes - it's results-based and it's dirty/dangerous. And so on...

As far as jobs where you actually sit in an office at a desk all day...good luck. Any office job of that type is likely to be heavily feminized, and environments with large female populations cannot be red pill these days. Basically, if you want a job where you can be red pill, you need to work in an environment that is 95%+ male, which means you need to find jobs that women can't/won't do. That's why I listed those three criteria - women don't like results-based jobs (they don't want judgment/accountability), they don't like autonomous jobs (they like being told what to do all the time) and they don't like getting dirty or exposing themselves to danger.

Post: #15

^ great post

Post: #16

From expierince, working in the sales/investment department of an Oil company is pretty red pill.

I remember the first day I worked there my boss told me basically verbatim that they don't hire women because everyone in the office would try to fuck them!

There was open talk about buying us strippers or blow if we got a ton of sales.

Not to mention all the names we all called each other like fuck face or faggot. It was a lot of fun at first. Slowly all the characters left the office though.

Post: #17

I have studied organizational behavior back in the university ,but never had a glimpse on sociology and it's carreer paths .
Why don't you switch your major to finance ,or something more manly like Logistics and maritime transport. I had a 2 month internship in one of the pionneers in transportation just to see those bad boys with their heavy trucks. Think about it and good luck.

Post: #18

Thanks ya all for the advice. I wish I had these when I was younger. Youth is certaintly wasted by the young.

This article describes it perfectly http://www.returnofkings.com/36031/what-...ss-degree. The amount of indoctrination runs so deep, I was once proud of being a Sociology major.

A lot of you mention oil. There s this thread on the Canadian oil sands. I ll jump over there for some info. I might be up for an adventure. Not sure if they will take an MA in liberal arts like me, but we will see.

Post: #19

I think sales is still pretty red pill, even ifthe company overall is not in sales pretty much if you're putting up big numbers people will leave you the fuck alone with a little pushback on issues which is one of the great things about sales. If your good you can have kind of a you can't tell me nothing attitude.

As far as your studies, if your not too far in I'd strongly consider rethinking getting a MA in sociology. Are you comming at this from a sociology ie studying consumer behavior angle or do you want to do archeology and actually be a sociologist? Either way sociology and psychology are tough areas unless you plan on getting into education which it sounds like you'd prefer to go the business route. In psychology and sociology unless you get a doctorate I've heard they are pretty pointless degrees. ALso on pretty much any education my personal opinon I'm of the mindset work experience trumps a degree, especially if you don't have any to go with that degree. ALso, I'm a big proponent of not paying out of your own pocket for education beyond a bachelors, find a company who will pay for you to go.

Post: #20

(09-04-2014 09:24 AM)jamaicabound Wrote:  I think sales is still pretty red pill, even ifthe company overall is not in sales pretty much if you're putting up big numbers people will leave you the fuck alone with a little pushback on issues which is one of the great things about sales. If your good you can have kind of a you can't tell me nothing attitude.

As far as your studies, if your not too far in I'd strongly consider rethinking getting a MA in sociology. Are you comming at this from a sociology ie studying consumer behavior angle or do you want to do archeology and actually be a sociologist? Either way sociology and psychology are tough areas unless you plan on getting into education which it sounds like you'd prefer to go the business route. In psychology and sociology unless you get a doctorate I've heard they are pretty pointless degrees. ALso on pretty much any education my personal opinon I'm of the mindset work experience trumps a degree, especially if you don't have any to go with that degree. ALso, I'm a big proponent of not paying out of your own pocket for education beyond a bachelors, find a company who will pay for you to go.

I actually do study Sociology from a more industrial angle. And here in France an MA doesnt cost money, so no negative in that. When I started Im using this more as a reason to prolong my college time so to speak. I didnt pay shit for college neither. Got a full scholarship and was persuaded I would do more good in Sociology. Fuck that shit. Imagine if I took business or finance and stuff, all for free, I would make incredible returns now.

Theres no point regretting the past, but my experience is to show you guys that you must not shit on the opportunities presented to you. I was smart enough to get a full ride and stupid enough to squander it on an useless degree and NOT GETTING LAID in college, despite it being a party school. Though to be fair, I would never discover redpill had I not gone through those.

When life gives you lemon, go buy some cheap rhum, mint and sugar and make fucking mojito and sell it at 5x what you paid.

Post: #21

(09-04-2014 09:43 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Theres no point regretting the past, but my experience is to show you guys that you must not shit on the opportunities presented to you. I was smart enough to get a full ride and stupid enough to squander it on an useless degree and NOT GETTING LAID in college, despite it being a party school. Though to be fair, I would never discover redpill had I not gone through those.

When life gives you lemon, go buy some cheap rhum, mint and sugar and make fucking mojito and sell it at 5x what you paid.

I guess you are in your 20s Dalaran? So either way you are young enough to even study something else, do an MBA, a CFA or any other degrees.

Many guys realize their errors in their 30s or even in their 50s when it comes to red-pill after having been divorce-raped 2 times and left at zero again. And even in their cases it is not hopeless. There is always a way open to do something, unless you are really too old and sickly in your end 60s or 70s to start anew.

And even that is not final, since I know a guy who started his medical studies at age 48 and finished it at 55 - he still works in his new job and is happy as can be.

Post: #22

Just to add, as other have already mentioned it.

Construction is very red pill, at least in the UK.

Lots of opportunities for certain types of graduate to break in. Engineering obviously, there are specific construction degrees here, but the construction industry is very merit focused. Time served is worth more than qualifications, generally(see below). Very few people with degrees, especially non-STEM or unrelated to construction, but having an Arts/humanities degree is not an obstacle.

On the blue-collar level, non-academic qualifications will take you far, but they will be practical achievements(ie: plumber,bricklaying,electrician,etc., and can take time to acquire). This industry is quite heavily regulated for safety reasons, so bits of paper qualifying you for certain roles are necessary). This route is not for everyone, but it is possible to dabble or be nomadic. Starting at the bottom is good for character and confidence development, being good at something and feeling valuable is an even greater confidence booster.

Post: #23

What is the perception of your institution for its Sociology depertment/Sociology gradaute program? Is it highly ranked?

Post: #24

(09-04-2014 02:29 PM)JohnKreese Wrote:  What is the perception of your institution for its Sociology depertment/Sociology gradaute program? Is it highly ranked?

The liberal art program itself is ranked 30th nationally. University of Richmond if you guys want to look it up. Sociology is strong but is in the top 50.

The business school is ranked 12th nationally. Shame I didnt take that.

Im finishing my MA here since Im almost done, then I ll go job searching and see what its like. If nothing white collar works out Im packing up for the oil sands. I need to get away anyway.

Post: #25

I took Sociology bc I wanted to become a professor. I was proud of how liberal and progressive I was. The teacher who liked me and groomed me the most was an ardent feminist. The few male professors I had were all pussy whipped.

I once thought its much cooler to be an intellectual than those people doing finance. Then I realize its better to read Foucault and Weber in a VIP lounge sipping on Hennessy, than in a small university office drinking bland tea all day.

Then I took the red pill.

Im turning 24 soon but I just cant wait to get out there to work. I start to hate school bc things are so easy. I cruise through my BA and MA getting all As, then I realize getting A wasnt getting me any pussy or make me a better man. It just shows how embedded I was in the lies that is modern society.