Post: #1

Guys, the following happened to me today:

I've met a girl a couple of days ago in a Club, she's pretty hot about an 8.5, tall blonde one. This is a German Girl. We had a very short conversation, as she was there for a promotion job. She gave me her number, though I wasn't sure if it was correct or if she'd reply, since the convo was really short.

So I gave it a try the other day, she picked up and we chatted for 10 min or so, ending up with a date two days later. The next day she cancelled our date saying she got sick, but proposed to meet one day later than initially planned. I agreed.

Next day she's texting that she didn't feel better and had to cancel this one. I was a bit cold to her telling her get well soon and to just let me know when she's better. Never thought about to hear from her again.

The day before yesterday, she initiated another conversation, setting up a date for today as she's better now.

As I sat in the coffee shop, she didn't show up nor picked up her phone.

2 hours later: Her texting she is soo sorry and her phone died on her and she wasn't sure when we was supposed to meet.



What are thoughts about this and how to react to it?
The fact that she came back to me shows me she's interested. But the flakiness is just too much. It must have been 4 year for me not run into a girl like that. I have to admit I'm a bit upset about her. Dump her? On the other hand, she's pretty hot and worth to chase maybe.

Post: #2

That's ridiculous. Next. I do give flakes second chances when they suggest another day, but to just leave you hanging like that on a set time is the epitome of disrespect.

Post: #3

Not worth it. Next.

Post: #4

Next!

Post: #5

I usually call or text a girl right before I leave my place to confirm that she's coming. You can also send her a text 10-20 minutes before saying that you'll be 10 minutes late. If she doesn't reply then do something else until she does, THEN show up to the venue.

Post: #6

The Bad:

- started a conversation with a girl working at the bar. She gets hit on all night and its her job to be friendly to you. (I'm all for chatting up these girls, but only as a warmup without the intention of anything more)
- got a number in a night/drinking after a short conversation. Why not hit on a drunk girl you can take home that night? She gave you her number, yeah, but who's to say she remembers you after you leave.
- you were doubting your confidence worrying whether or not she was going to reply or not. So either you knew she was at her job and its an impossible scenario or you did not feel you deserve the 8.5. This probably came out in your body language/conversation.
- you replied with too much interest to her second flake. After the second flake just cut her off by silence or by replying with "k, sounds good, cool, etc.."
- you took a girl you met at a drinking establishment out to coffee. Thats a big drop in terms of energy, maybe she thought it was too serious, or too boring. That being said she does work in nightlife and a lot of girls I've met who are waitresses/bartenders stay away from bars on their day off. (but still drink with friends)

The Good:

- she picked up the phone and you had a short conversation.
- she rescheduled with a concrete date after the flake.
- these two things could mean shes a nice girl who doesn't really know the social protocol for telling a guy she's not interested ie. not talking to him or explicitly stating it. That being said she works in nightlife so chances of that are slim.

Your only option is to just say nothing from now on and find another girl to take out. If she calls you asking to see you or apologizing after some silence she's interested, but then if you go out with her you've set the bar low as to your tolerance for fuckery.

To me it sounds like you were more interested in her then she was into you and it showed somehow through eagerness/neediness. She may have been interested at the time in the bar, but got spooked once you called her for coffee.

As for what to do while you wait for her:

- what travolta says is the best option for confirming along with leaving out a few details until the day of. Saying you're running a couple minutes late shows no neediness/disinterest/anything that will fuck up the date, but almost guarantees a reply because a girl isn't going to want to sit around by herself for fears of being stood up.

The worst thing you can do is look around like a lost puppy when you're waiting for her. talk to people around you or make it look like you're there just to chill out by yourself

Post: #7

Ask yourself this question, and be really honest: would you ever really want to deal with someone like that again?

Post: #8

Invite her to dinner at the best, most expensive restaurant in town.

Or tell her you have tickets to a great concert or event.

Tell her she needs to get really dressed up.

Tell her to meet you at the restaurant or event.

Then dont show and never respond to her calls or texts.

Normally I dont get mad about flakes but if a girl flaked twice and stood me up without even answering her phone that calls for retaliation.

Post: #9

^^ I like it I'd like to add ...actually take her out to a really expensive place. Order yourself a nice steak and bottle of wine. Order dessert then excuse yourself before it arrives and skip out. Leave her stupid ass there to pick up the check. I would love to do that one day.

Post: #10

(10-18-2014 12:17 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  The Bad:

- got a number in a night/drinking after a short conversation. Why not hit on a drunk girl you can take home that night? She gave you her number, yeah, but who's to say she remembers you after you leave.
You're right, I was actually warming up. I took home a brazilian girl the same night, so no collateral damage here.

- you were doubting your confidence worrying whether or not she was going to reply or not. So either you knew she was at her job and its an impossible scenario or you did not feel you deserve the 8.5. This probably came out in your body language/conversation.
No, I was just totally aware that this is as difficult as it gets.

(10-18-2014 12:30 PM)MrXY Wrote:  Invite her to dinner at the best, most expensive restaurant in town.

Or tell her you have tickets to a great concert or event.

Tell her she needs to get really dressed up.

Tell her to meet you at the restaurant or event.

Then dont show and never respond to her calls or texts.

Normally I dont get mad about flakes but if a girl flaked twice and stood me up without even answering her phone that calls for retaliation.

I love this idea. I wasnt really thinking about how to rescue this anyhow.

Post: #11

(10-18-2014 12:36 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  ^^ I like it I'd like to add ...actually take her out to a really expensive place. Order yourself a nice steak and bottle of wine. Order dessert then excuse yourself before it arrives and skip out. Leave her stupid ass there to pick up the check. I would love to do that one day.

Shikulu - do this and then screenshot the angry texts she sends you afterwards so we on the forum can enjoy them

Post: #12

Two choices here. Next her or run the long con if you expect to see her around socially. Assuming you run the con I'd "accidently" send her a pic of you and another girl, thanking her for a great time. If she texts back you can run the con, if not its Next.

Considering she's an 8.5 means you're one of many to her so at a minimum you have to treat her the same. I like the idea of ditching her back but that doesn't get you that pussy. Simply text her back something along the lines of sorry, wrong chick. Go from there for what works for you. I like to figure out what chicks like and mimic that. The stories I could tell of running long cons to exact revenge and staring at a chick, emotionless, as she's crying once I reveal what I did.

Post: #13

Great idea Deebos. I'm pretty sure I'll do that.

I' I've shown the Whats'app convo to a friend, he said that I really wasn't very clear about the time I'd expect her and that it was a misunderstanding. Whatever.

Post: #14

I wrote about this in the bang osaka thread, but I would always just ask her to meet at starbucks while I studied Japanese. If she doesn't show up then I continue to study. Then I used the Japanese I learned at startbucks and because the starbucks is in a mall, I went and approached more girls with better Japanese. It was like a never ending cycle, if I got stood up, then it benefited me.

In other words you should make the situation benefit you rather than her.

Post: #15

I like some of these retaliatory responses to flaking. Not giving a fuck, which is the MO I take might not be the best way to deal with these uber-douches.

Some of them need (literal) blunt force trauma to knock them off their delusional perches of grandeur.

Post: #16

React by not sending the 'sorry I have to cancel' text to the girl you've scheduled 1 hour later.
Or this:

(10-19-2014 09:50 AM)memcpy Wrote:  I wrote about this in the bang osaka thread, but I would always just ask her to meet at starbucks while I studied Japanese. If she doesn't show up then I continue to study. Then I used the Japanese I learned at startbucks and because the starbucks is in a mall, I went and approached more girls with better Japanese. It was like a never ending cycle, if I got stood up, then it benefited me.

Strong indifference man, I respect this. This is almost the level I'm at of 'treating it like a business'. When I get a lay I'm like 'Oh... things worked out, this is nice'. If that happens and she's hot I'm like 'Oh she's hot.... this is nice'.

If a girl ever asks me 'why don't guys commit', I'm going to do a John Galt style speach on her.

Post: #17

I like to schedule dates near my place. If the girl flakes, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing. No big deal.

Post: #18

Put her on ice, move one.

I do LOVE XY's retaliation that would be epic.

Sounds like you were pretty invested with her, especially the waiting 2 hours part.

I always double book dates just in case a flake happens, I've tripled book dates sometimes.

Either way if she flakes, I keep carrying on, I don't care if she flakes or not. Keep them a low investment.

Post: #19

Tell her you have front row seats/backstage passes to her favorite band next time they're in town. Tell her you have extras so that she can invite a couple of her girlfriends. Pick an awkward spot nearby for her to wait. Leave her in the rain.

Bonus points if you be seen walking into the concert with a hotter girl, and then text her one of her own lame excuses back.

Post: #20

Not always possible, but I once lived in a city with the redlight district next to the club and concert venues. If you can, have them wait at the edge of the prostitution zone, while dressed as prostitutes themselves, many lulz will be had.

Post: #21

(10-18-2014 11:55 AM)Shikulu Wrote:  Guys, the following happened to me today:

I've met a girl a couple of days ago in a Club, she's pretty hot about an 8.5, tall blonde one. This is a German Girl. We had a very short conversation,

If you want reliability, this situation is set up wrong from the beginning.

Post: #22

(10-19-2014 02:38 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Sounds like you were pretty invested with her, especially the waiting 2 hours part.

Just for the record, of course I did not wait for her for 2 hours. I set this up in my favourite coffee place, so I drank one of their amazing Cappuccinos and left after 20 min.

I thought about daygaming since I was already out - then again, this is the worst hipster part of town. You can literally hang around for hours without seeing anything interesting.

She messaged me today asking me to forgive her and that she would make up for it.

Post: #23

(10-19-2014 04:21 PM)Shikulu Wrote:  She messaged me today asking me to forgive her and that she would make up for it.

Just ignore her. She doesn't respect you or your time.

Post: #24

(10-18-2014 12:30 PM)MrXY Wrote:  Invite her to dinner at the best, most expensive restaurant in town.

Or tell her you have tickets to a great concert or event.

Tell her she needs to get really dressed up.

Tell her to meet you at the restaurant or event.

Then dont show and never respond to her calls or texts.

Normally I dont get mad about flakes but if a girl flaked twice and stood me up without even answering her phone that calls for retaliation.

that is brilliant I am so going to try that next

Post: #25

(10-19-2014 04:21 PM)Shikulu Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 02:38 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Sounds like you were pretty invested with her, especially the waiting 2 hours part.

Just for the record, of course I did not wait for her for 2 hours. I set this up in my favourite coffee place, so I drank one of their amazing Cappuccinos and left after 20 min.

I thought about daygaming since I was already out - then again, this is the worst hipster part of town. You can literally hang around for hours without seeing anything interesting.

She messaged me today asking me to forgive her and that she would make up for it.

normally I don't give flakes (like flat out leave me hanging) a second chance. but if I ever do (usually because I really REALLY want to bang her or if she has one of those Stacey Orrico mouths which are just PERFECT for BJ's) anyway point is put her through the ringer, tell her how she has to dress, when to be there and on and on just to see how far she goes. in the end it usually turns into a bang that night