Post: #1

We all know women crave drama. It's often the man that treats her the worst, the one who she fights with all the time that she remembers. A memorable guy is a man who can take a woman on a roller coaster of emotions. As a very aloof guy that generally doesn't experience highs or lows I'm not very aware on how I can do this.

Can any players here who utilize this type of game provide some tactical and how to insights on specific moves you guys pull in relationships with girls?

This thread was inspired by this thread by pitt

Quote:When I think about the women that liked me the most, they were the women that I treated the worse. I used to openly flirt with other girls in front of them, I used to break up with them for no reason, have them crying for a day or two and then go back to them and act like nothing never happened, hardly ever if ever took them out on dates , they knew or had a feeling I was fucking other girls, etc....

4 years ago I met this chick that now got married and had a child. She was the second girl that I physically hit, I used to dump her all the time and kicked her out of my house whenever I got bored, this chick used to say the nastiest things about me to everybody that knew me. Guess what? She still addicted to my dick till this day, I fucked her last week and she is coming to fuck me again this week when her hubby goes to work. I have given her super good sex and I have also given her bad sex, I am sure what made her addicted to me was the mixed emotions of being with a guy who was really fun to be around but at the same time treated her nasty whenever he felt like or she crossed the line.

Post: #2

Act selfishly. Not only will it get you more of what you want (by definition), it will also make you appear aloof and high-status, which is cat nip to her.

Stop trying to please her, catering to her, or considering her in your decision making process. Do what you want whenever you want to do it.

Never apologize for anything.

Flake on her. Cancel when you don't feel like going out. Don't reply to texts or calls if you don't feel like talking.

Refuse to spend money. Make her spend money on you.

If you're not in a relationship, don't hide the fact that you're seeing other women. If you are in a relationship, don't hide the fact that you could replace her at any moment. Flirt with other women in front of her, regardless.

Don't react when she inevitably gets upset. Tell her what she sees is what she gets, and if she doesn't like it that's her problem. Make it clear that you don't care whether she comes, stays, lays or prays. Whatever happens, your toes stay a-tappin'.

Start acting selfishly, and enough organic drama will occur that you won't have to worry about creating it yourself.

Post: #3

Lose your girlfriend to groupie love :3

Post: #4

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/dread/

Post: #5

Dread game I get, but starting drama on purpose for a rollercoaster ride ? I don't have the time or effort for that.

I already act selfishly and I make a main girl do what I want and she complies.

I guess I'm on the positive side of game and wouldn't overtly go looking to start this.

BUT I don't ever keep things stagnant or the same.

EX: (I was busy working but this was on purpose) She snap chatted me all day and I only viewed them and didn't respond, she sent me a text I didn't respond, she called me I didn't answer. She sends me a text "well I give up today "

I called an hour after the text, she didn't respond, she calls, I don't answer.

I call her a bit later, she sounded a bit upset but was excited to see me tomorrow.

Post: #6

Are there girls who are above these things and will punish you for such (in a man's mind) awful behaviour? I've used these things on many girls and it works but am afraid of these tactics with high status girls. Will it work the same for a 9 with many options as for a 7?

Post: #7

(11-12-2014 01:52 PM)rottenapple Wrote:  Are there girls who are above these things and will punish you for such (in a man's mind) awful behaviour? I've used these things on many girls and it works but am afraid of these tactics with high status girls. Will it work the same for a 9 with many options as for a 7?

Yes, being selfish and creating dread will be just as effective on a 9 as with a 7. In fact, it might even be MORE effective, because 9s so rarely encounter men who act that way.

See, the reason these tactics work is that they position you as being higher status than her. And status is, to women, what beauty is to men. There are many things that create attraction in women, but status is by far #1.

While there are ways of inferring a man's status indirectly (his job/title, his house/car/possessions, his social circle, etc.), a woman's lizard brain will always fall back on the truest indicator of status: a man's behavior. After all, how do you think women determined status before things like Ferraris, jobs, and custom suits existed? The man who acts like he's top dog is, nine times out of ten, the top dog.

By acting selfishly, you're signalling to her that you are higher status-that you are more important, that she is beneath you. And while the small part of her brain dedicated to rational thinking might say you're being a dick, the much larger part dedicated to feelings and emotion will ramp up the attraction. This is why players will constantly advise you to watch what she does, not what she says. The hind brain makes the decisions; the fore brain is simply along for the ride.

Post: #8

I don't think it is always negative energy that women crave. I think it is the level of intensity that registers more for some women.

Some women learn to avoid negative energy in the relationships they have, to a degree, but my experience is that they still need a certain intensity of energy in some areas.

While I agree with the OP, and have seen evidence of it myself; there are other ways to introduce an emotional roller coaster ride. It can be done sexually through giving very intense sex, here is an example. I'm sure there is a great deal of information about it, and other methods, on the internet.

Post: #9

^^^There are ways of injecting drama and energy into the relationship (travel, fly to exotic places, have lotsa different friends around, fuck in random places)...but....

To OP's point, it's a lot easier to inject negative energy or dread. My experience...totally confirm OP.

When I read a post like this I get a couple feelings:
1. Dirty...like saying Hitler is the most influential person of the 20th century
2. Disconcerting...that those we love the most, find the most beautiful, want the most, can have attraction triggers that are so vile
3. Refreshing...to know how easy it is to manipulate beautiful women
4. Sad...my mom, sister, future girlfriends and hookups, maybe a future baby-mama, are all like this

Post: #10

You're a man. Act selfishly and in your best interest but in my opinion purposely causing and starting 'drama' is what women do. My bad if I misunderstood you.

Post: #11

(11-12-2014 05:05 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  I don't think it is always negative energy that women crave. I think it is the level of intensity that registers more for some women.

Some women learn to avoid negative energy in the relationships they have, to a degree, but my experience is that they still need a certain intensity of energy in some areas.

While I agree with the OP, and have seen evidence of it myself; there are other ways to introduce an emotional roller coaster ride. It can be done sexually through giving very intense sex, here is an example. I'm sure there is a great deal of information about it, and other methods, on the internet.

Thanks for the link, what do you do, personally, to make relationships more intense?

Post: #12

(11-12-2014 12:24 PM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  Act selfishly. Not only will it get you more of what you want (by definition), it will also make you appear aloof and high-status, which is cat nip to her.

Stop trying to please her, catering to her, or considering her in your decision making process. Do what you want whenever you want to do it.

Never apologize for anything.

Flake on her. Cancel when you don't feel like going out. Don't reply to texts or calls if you don't feel like talking.

Refuse to spend money. Make her spend money on you.

If you're not in a relationship, don't hide the fact that you're seeing other women. If you are in a relationship, don't hide the fact that you could replace her at any moment. Flirt with other women in front of her, regardless.

Don't react when she inevitably gets upset. Tell her what she sees is what she gets, and if she doesn't like it that's her problem. Make it clear that you don't care whether she comes, stays, lays or prays. Whatever happens, your toes stay a-tappin'.

Start acting selfishly, and enough organic drama will occur that you won't have to worry about creating it yourself.

Is this done before the fuck or after?

Post: #13

(11-13-2014 01:27 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 12:24 PM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  Act selfishly. Not only will it get you more of what you want (by definition), it will also make you appear aloof and high-status, which is cat nip to her.

Stop trying to please her, catering to her, or considering her in your decision making process. Do what you want whenever you want to do it.

Never apologize for anything.

Flake on her. Cancel when you don't feel like going out. Don't reply to texts or calls if you don't feel like talking.

Refuse to spend money. Make her spend money on you.

If you're not in a relationship, don't hide the fact that you're seeing other women. If you are in a relationship, don't hide the fact that you could replace her at any moment. Flirt with other women in front of her, regardless.

Don't react when she inevitably gets upset. Tell her what she sees is what she gets, and if she doesn't like it that's her problem. Make it clear that you don't care whether she comes, stays, lays or prays. Whatever happens, your toes stay a-tappin'.

Start acting selfishly, and enough organic drama will occur that you won't have to worry about creating it yourself.

Is this done before the fuck or after?

This is done always.

Post: #14

When you were young, did you ever have a girl that had some quirk, or some "thing" that you had to spend an outsize amount of energy compensating for, avoiding or taking care of? She does that because she has too much energy. Pick some little picayune thing of your own that annoys you a little bit. Make her spend all day worrying about triggering it. If you have 2 or three good ones, she won't have the energy to worry about her "thing", she'll be to busy worrying about yours.

Post: #15

Also, I'm a little too logical, low drama and "nice" sometimes. My girl has treated me great for many years, and I love to take care of her. Constant infidelity seems to inject just enough drama to keep her happy even when I'm following a safe and sane life otherwise.

Post: #16

Necro old thread.

Drama. Chicks always seem to thrive and crave it.

Everything is going great and they insist on popping your bubble and creating a shitstorm of drama.

How do you guys handle it?

1) throw her out and say call me when you are not a bitch again
2) escalate it up and win the drama contest
3) Ignore it? (This can be hard to do when you are out with her or in social situations - they usually pick their time to prevent this strategy)

or another way?

Post: #17

While a lot of what has been posted above is true, dudes need to realize that 'high status' males aren't merely acting it out when they behave like this. Its a result of ACTUALLY living in abundance and having an inextinguishable passion for what they do with their lives, usually career wise. They aren't acting; they really don't need theses women in their lives. This is an important distinction.

Any gamer whose gaming isn't congurent with his lifestyle is bound to lose the girl, especially with today's culture of online dating, whatsapp et al. Because the moment you do this in a scattershot manner is the moment she gets banged out by the constellation of males she's been flirting with on tinder.

Post: #18

(10-03-2016 05:27 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  Necro old thread.

Drama. Chicks always seem to thrive and crave it.

Everything is going great and they insist on popping your bubble and creating a shitstorm of drama.

How do you guys handle it?

1) throw her out and say call me when you are not a bitch again
2) escalate it up and win the drama contest
3) Ignore it? (This can be hard to do when you are out with her or in social situations - they usually pick their time to prevent this strategy)

or another way?

If your LTR is using number 3, she should be out of the door. And this comes from me who is already very tolerant compared to RVF standard.

No woman should publicly seeks to discredit or humiliate her man.

Otherwise, drama if used right can be a healthy part of a LTR. As for how to deal with it, it really depends on you. If you are the quiet, stern guy, just tell her "Leave". Just that one word, not more, and if on the 3rd try she still doesnt, drag her out. Dont call her name or anything, it compromises your game.

If you like drama too like me, escalate it back to her "why are you doing this? Is it because xyz? You dont love me like you always said etc." Read some chick flicks for lines to use. This usually always end up with crazy make up sex, which I dont mind

Or do the freeze out like you would do when confront against LMR.

Post: #19

just like you should always be escalating, you should always be pushing the boundaries.

in sales, they tell you to fire the bottom 10% of your clients, because when you do you then have to resources to service your best clients better and to get new/better clients.

with game, you should have a similar attitude in that you should always be looking for more/better plates, and pushing the boundaries with the ones you currently have. when you have other options, you actions stem from a place of abundance and therefore are more effective. you also go further, because you are pushing boundaries.

they way to practice this is when you have a marginal relationship or marginal plate (whatever number is marginal to you-6.5?). push them for favors - bring me cookies, make me dinner, buy me something - or actions - lets invite your hot roommate for drinks, etc. think about not what you have already accomplished in prior situations, bur rather what might be possible. Practice this in situations where you have little to lose - where a breakup wouldn't bother you, where you need more space, etc. - and you will be stronger in situations where it does count.

Post: #20

(10-04-2016 08:48 AM)GreyFFM Wrote:  they way to practice this is when you have a marginal relationship or marginal plate (whatever number is marginal to you-6.5?). push them for favors - bring me cookies, make me dinner, buy me something - or actions - lets invite your hot roommate for drinks, etc. think about not what you have already accomplished in prior situations, bur rather what might be possible. Practice this in situations where you have little to lose - where a breakup wouldn't bother you, where you need more space, etc. - and you will be stronger in situations where it does count.

I think these are good ideas, but I try to keep in mind that the reason I'm seeing these girls regularly at all is because in some sense I like them as people, and have some level of emotional connection. I think it's OK to push a girl who's marginal, but I don't like just making demands for weird favors (I can get my own cookies, thanks) or creating drama for drama's sake. I don't think a girl deserves to be nexted simply because she doesn't want to go on a hot double date with me and her roommate, if she's otherwise getting a B-. I'd try to give her a face-saving option out of it if she didn't want to without her being made to look the fool, or me being miffed about it.

The couple day "freeze out" or "soft next" is about the highest level of drama I'm comfortable with. But it's been extremely effective the times I've deployed it in getting her to shape up.

Ideally, the marginal ones should next themselves, cuz they're usually the type who seem more happy in a long term monogamous relationship with an "average guy" and all the bickering and push-pulling that goes along with that, anyway. But if it's a girl I've been seeing for a while I know for my part it's not going to feel great one way or the other.

Keep in mind however that my "data set" is only three at this point (with only two of those being concurrent), so some of this is just my own extrapolation from the type of girls I've had as plates.

Post: #21

(10-03-2016 05:27 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  Necro old thread.

Drama. Chicks always seem to thrive and crave it.

Everything is going great and they insist on popping your bubble and creating a shitstorm of drama.

How do you guys handle it?

1) throw her out and say call me when you are not a bitch again
2) escalate it up and win the drama contest
3) Ignore it? (This can be hard to do when you are out with her or in social situations - they usually pick their time to prevent this strategy)

or another way?

It depends on what do you want and how well you handle social pressure.

If you want to get under your girl's skin and get her hooked hard then you amp it up to the max and let it unfold in front of you while still controlling the direction of the drama. This way is much more engaging in general and accumulation of those emotions leads to her being crazy for you and somewhat addicted. Once you experience it first hand you realize that there are no good or bad emotions, there are only strong and weak. The strong ones might be good, bad, nice, horrible, doesn't really matter, as long they penetrate her soul deeply, it's fine.

If you want to train your girl and teach her who she needs to be for you then you distance yourself [soft next] and let her hurt by missing your attention so that eventually she understands what she does wrong and what to avoid. This way is more applicable as it doesn't require too much effort and character. The big advantage is that it's geared toward keeping the peace. If a girl messes up and you stay calm, withdraw yourself and give her silent treatment she cannot call you a fucking asshole for trying to hurt her more [like drama way does]. She's the one feeling apologetic and even guilty how bad she is to you.

Both ways work. Both ways have different purpose.

Post: #22

(10-04-2016 01:15 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 08:48 AM)GreyFFM Wrote:  they way to practice this is when you have a marginal relationship or marginal plate (whatever number is marginal to you-6.5?). push them for favors - bring me cookies, make me dinner, buy me something - or actions - lets invite your hot roommate for drinks, etc. think about not what you have already accomplished in prior situations, bur rather what might be possible. Practice this in situations where you have little to lose - where a breakup wouldn't bother you, where you need more space, etc. - and you will be stronger in situations where it does count.

I think these are good ideas, but I try to keep in mind that the reason I'm seeing these girls regularly at all is because in some sense I like them as people, and have some level of emotional connection. I think it's OK to push a girl who's marginal, but I don't like just making demands for weird favors (I can get my own cookies, thanks) or creating drama for drama's sake. I don't think a girl deserves to be nexted simply because she doesn't want to go on a hot double date with me and her roommate, if she's otherwise getting a B-. I'd try to give her a face-saving option out of it if she didn't want to without her being made to look the fool, or me being miffed about it.

The couple day "freeze out" or "soft next" is about the highest level of drama I'm comfortable with. But it's been extremely effective the times I've deployed it in getting her to shape up.

Ideally, the marginal ones should next themselves, cuz they're usually the type who seem more happy in a long term monogamous relationship with an "average guy" and all the bickering and push-pulling that goes along with that, anyway. But if it's a girl I've been seeing for a while I know for my part it's not going to feel great one way or the other.

Keep in mind however that my "data set" is only three at this point (with only two of those being concurrent), so some of this is just my own extrapolation from the type of girls I've had as plates.

fair points, i agree.

but its never an all or nothing situation. ask for what you ask for, ask and then see if she gives it to you. you don't have to next her if she doesn't. and the thing you push for doesn't have to be something that threatens you ability to continue to see her - you could ask her to wear a certain type of costume or a new position or a new place. the reason for doing this is to keep things interesting, to establish your frame as leading, and to design things so you are getting what you want. too often people don't communicate what they want. and when you tell her to wear high heels or stockings or strip for you or whatever, you'll be surprised at how much she wants to do it for you. its not drama for the sake of drama, its not standing still.

for the ones that you want to weed out, or ought to weed out (bottom 10% sales mantra), for these make your asks more aggressive. the reasons to do this are the same as why they teach you in sales. its also to give you practice communicating what you want and "escalating" the situation for when you have plates that you don't want to lose. I look back and there were a lot of situations where I just blew a girl off. What I should have done is asked for different things and pushed the envelope and either gotten something really interesting or gotten an easier exit.

as for the cookies thing, that idea comes from the seeking arrangement thread. its a different but related concept. there, you ask the interviewee to bring you a cookie. some won't. some will bring you a store bought. some will go to a fancy bakery. and some will bake you two dozen from scratch. all things being equal, which one do you think will give you the best head? which one will be the most compliant? looking back, there have been so many times I tried to force a square peg into a round hole when I could have just been taking the two dozen cookies.

when you are training cats, you first create a hoop and ask her to jump through it, and then you tell her how well or how poorly she did. even if the hoop is inconsequential - I agree with you i can get my own cookies - you become the hoop master and she becomes the one jumping when you say jump. starting with something inconsequential is the key or you might scare a lizard.

to get back to the OP, if you are wondering whether you need drama in a situation, you probably do. but don't think of it as drama, which is a feminine concept. think of it as leading the situation, moving it forward, honestly communicating what you want out of it, even if its her roommate.

Post: #23

(10-04-2016 02:55 PM)GreyFFM Wrote:  and when you tell her to wear high heels or stockings or strip for you or whatever, you'll be surprised at how much she wants to do it for you. its not drama for the sake of drama, its not standing still.

Oh, yeah when I first got back into game I was pretty timid about asking girls for shit like that. Over time I learned to become much less surprised. If she really likes you and wants to keep you it sometimes feels like the sky's the limit.

I try to use this power only for good.

Post: #24

From my experience, this comes either

A) Naturally, which means that you are just "asshole" to them, simply a tough guy that doesn't have a problem to be mean to people.

or

B) Because it's entertaining. You do this for fun. You actually love women, but you don't love them like some blue pill guy, you love to play with them. When you finally understand that when she cries, she feels comfortable or that when she is acting mad that it is just the way she plays, then you will have success with this drama thing.

So, basically, first reason you are making her feel like shit is because it's fun and the second reason is because you love women so much that you give them negative emotions since you know that they enjoy it.
They enjoy to feel like whore, they enjoy to cry for you, they enjoy to be dominated and treated like shit. You accept that game and you just test random things, manipulate them so they think about you all day.

This should be your goal




Now, to me, you sound like neither A or B. You sound like you want to create drama just so you can fuck more girls or to get validation from them. Switch your mindset and start doing things for your own fun and watch the magic.