The coming war with Iran

(04-18-2019 11:23 PM)Once Was Not Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 04:59 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Yes.

That this is even in question simply demonstrates the extent to which rootless cosmopolitan globalism has infected so many minds.

You either move temporarily for business reasons etc or you move with the purpose of finding a new homeland for your bloodline. If war were to break out with the country that you arrived from and you were not loyal to the country you now resided in then at very least you are obligated to leave the country your "homeland" is at war with.

If I were living in Denmark then either it would be for business or because I wanted to become Danish (or rather wanted my children's children to be considered Danish). Much like dual citizenship is nonsensical bullshit I would not seek to become a citizen of Denmark unless that is where my utmost loyalties laid.

Those that believe citizenship is merely a formality that allows you to pick and choose where you want to live until such time as your responsibilities there become too great an annoyance to bother with are indeed the very definition of rootless cosmopolitan globalists.

As recently as WW2 we had the sense to put foreign born citizens in temporary camps when we were at war with the nations of their origin. In America they put the Constitution on hold to do it and they were right to. Muslim terror attacks in the West are bad enough when we're only fucking around with their nations on a part-time basis. Try to imagine what kind of havoc the 3.8 million ethnic Chinese roaming around America could cause if America went to war with China, particularly if it didn't seem justified to the average ethnic Chinaman. Between the non-participants, the peaceful protesters and the non-peaceful saboteurs you would soon see what a farce the idea of "Chinese Americans" was.

On a regional and per capita basis this is even worse in Australia. You only have to walk through a major Eastern city here and see businesses presented entirely in foreign languages to realize that the Chinese population here is nothing more than an advance force for a future conflict. If they would not pick up a rifle and shoot a Chinese soldier then they are not Australians. Period.

Post of the fucking century right here.

It's like no one here has any knowledge of history.

Meet the 442nd Regimental Combat Team and 100th Infantry Battalion, Japanese-American units (the US military was segregated then) that had the highest proportion of decorations for valor in WWII. They fought in Italy and Germany.

About 6000 other Japanese Americans fought in the Pacific as Military Intelligence, listening to radio transmissions and interrogating prisoners.

I met a Chinese American Special Forces colonel years ago, he was specialized in fighting China.

The USA also recruited guys from Eastern Europe after WWII, the program was called the Lodge Act.

I suppose under your theory, if the USA fights Iran, Roosh should be put in a concentration camp.

Don't be triggered by this picture

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(04-19-2019 06:39 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  About 6000 other Japanese Americans fought in the Pacific as Military Intelligence, listening to radio transmissions and interrogating prisoners.

On a purely practical level it's almost essential to have some people of the same ethnicity as the enemy forces on your side, especially when the people of the opposing nationality look very different from your own. They're extremely useful for intelligence gathering. A white guy is simply not going to be able to blend in enough to infiltrate a country like China.

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(04-19-2019 06:39 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 11:23 PM)Once Was Not Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 04:59 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Yes.

That this is even in question simply demonstrates the extent to which rootless cosmopolitan globalism has infected so many minds.

You either move temporarily for business reasons etc or you move with the purpose of finding a new homeland for your bloodline. If war were to break out with the country that you arrived from and you were not loyal to the country you now resided in then at very least you are obligated to leave the country your "homeland" is at war with.

If I were living in Denmark then either it would be for business or because I wanted to become Danish (or rather wanted my children's children to be considered Danish). Much like dual citizenship is nonsensical bullshit I would not seek to become a citizen of Denmark unless that is where my utmost loyalties laid.

Those that believe citizenship is merely a formality that allows you to pick and choose where you want to live until such time as your responsibilities there become too great an annoyance to bother with are indeed the very definition of rootless cosmopolitan globalists.

As recently as WW2 we had the sense to put foreign born citizens in temporary camps when we were at war with the nations of their origin. In America they put the Constitution on hold to do it and they were right to. Muslim terror attacks in the West are bad enough when we're only fucking around with their nations on a part-time basis. Try to imagine what kind of havoc the 3.8 million ethnic Chinese roaming around America could cause if America went to war with China, particularly if it didn't seem justified to the average ethnic Chinaman. Between the non-participants, the peaceful protesters and the non-peaceful saboteurs you would soon see what a farce the idea of "Chinese Americans" was.

On a regional and per capita basis this is even worse in Australia. You only have to walk through a major Eastern city here and see businesses presented entirely in foreign languages to realize that the Chinese population here is nothing more than an advance force for a future conflict. If they would not pick up a rifle and shoot a Chinese soldier then they are not Australians. Period.

Post of the fucking century right here.

It's like no one here has any knowledge of history.

Meet the 442nd Regimental Combat Team and 100th Infantry Battalion, Japanese-American units (the US military was segregated then) that had the highest proportion of decorations for valor in WWII. They fought in Italy and Germany.

About 6000 other Japanese Americans fought in the Pacific as Military Intelligence, listening to radio transmissions and interrogating prisoners.

I met a Chinese American Special Forces colonel years ago, he was specialized in fighting China.

The USA also recruited guys from Eastern Europe after WWII, the program was called the Lodge Act.

I suppose under your theory, if the USA fights Iran, Roosh should be put in a concentration camp.

Don't be triggered by this picture

I can confirm that Leonard is correct when he implies that Chinese people living in Western countries hold allegiance to their motherland higher than their adopted country. The Chinese in their homeland and overseas are becoming very confident, and with good reason. They know that the world is ripe for the taking, and that the mass immigration to the West is the first step. And they laugh at how easy we make it for them.

Here is a video from over a decade ago, of a protest in Auckland New Zealand, where they placed Chinese security guards at the perimetre to warn locals it is dangerous for them to come too close.





These aren't the same as the Japs who had lived in America for generations. These guys have no interest in adopting the
customs of their host country, even if they have become citizens. They are first and foremost Chinese, and they are convinced of their racial and cultural superiority.

New Zealand, Canada and Australia will become vassal states of China within our lifetime. Most of Africa will become full colonies. America will be heavily infiltrated.

You really have to hand it to the cunning bastards.

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Sp5 just has trouble with his reading comprehension.

I made it clear that a foreign ethnic has to hold their highest loyalty to their new country rather than their previous "homeland".

Signing up to kill the enemies of your new country fulfills precisely the criteria I set out that an ethnic Chinaman living in Australia or America must be willing to shoot Chinese soldiers in defense of their new country.

But since he didn't bother to read the post correctly he argued against my imagined position rather than the one I laid out.

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I'm not used to you slipping in a subtle distinction, Lenny.

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(04-18-2019 04:59 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 03:30 AM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

(04-17-2019 10:04 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I always get a laugh when I hear about an immigrant that has such love for their "homeland".

I got into an argument with my sister once because I said that most immigrants to Australia are not real Australians.

She asked me who I thought I was to make that call. I told her that if Chinese or Afghans or Iraqis or Somalians invaded Australia then I would shoot them without hesitation. Then I asked her if she believed that Chinese Australians would shoot Chinese invaders or Somalian Australians would shoot Somalian invaders.

She gave me the usual chickenshit response of "it should never come to that" but I made my point. If your loyalties are divided in any way then you're not really a patriot. You're just an extended guest.

Does that work in reverse too? Say you identify as Australian with roots in Denmark and have family there. You move to Denmark and live there for a decade.

Australia invades Denmark for whatever reason - do you shoot them immediately despite having ties to both countries?

Yes.

That this is even in question simply demonstrates the extent to which rootless cosmopolitan globalism has infected so many minds.

What? I can't ask this question on your thoughts without being being "infected" by globalism?

Often times people on this forum have separate thought processes regarding European diaspora vs Non European diaspora communities.

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^Is this incipient mutual understanding that I'm beginning to see betwixt Sp5 and LDN?

This calls for a drink.

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(04-19-2019 11:16 AM)Geomann180 Wrote:  ^Is this incipient mutual understanding that I'm beginning to see betwixt Sp5 and LDN?

This calls for a drink.

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This is a discussion board about "externalities." Nothing should be personal except to the extent personal experience is invoked.

It's also a form of entertainment. Nothing will be settled here.

I missed a point LDN made, what do I do, double down? No.

Anyways, LDN and I agree on some things, like being against pointless warmongering and the rigged nature of much economic policy.

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I believe once the economy starts going down and Trump is safe in the WH the move towards Iran will heat up exponentially.

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It is difficult to imagine a world where America is not at war.

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A dream scenario would be to see Iran return to Zoroastrianism, which is older than Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, and far superior - as well as peaceful and civilized. During the Islamic Golden Age, most of the philosophers and scientists were Persian, not Arab.

There is some evidence that the young people of Iran are becoming more interested in Zoroaster.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/20...83c4e31348

Attacking Iran will strengthen the hand of the hardline Islamists, which may be the motivation of the Anglo Empire, to keep the wars going because empire economies depend on war. They don't want a peaceful Iran.

Iran should ditch Islam, form an alliance with Russia and China, and ignore the Middle East.

The other scenario is, if there is an attack on Iran, they can create enough damage to collapse the economies of the Empire and its client states.

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Another step closer to war. The USA is going to impose secondary sanctions on China, India, and Turkey if they buy oil from Iran? Or what? Close the Straits of Hormuz to Iranian tankers? Thanks for the higher gasoline prices, Trump.

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The Saudi bfs will come to the rescue and amp production.

Funny how decisive the US administration can be when it wants to (ps: that does not include building a fence wall thing)

That psy op dude may have been on to something

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I wonder what happens if China just tells the US to fuck off.

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Why should US be giving "waivers" to sovereign countries at all? If someone wants to trade with Iran, US can suck it.

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US Forces Korea runs on Iranian oil

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(04-22-2019 06:35 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I wonder what happens if China just tells the US to fuck off.

It would be nice so this nonstop warmongering would come to an end. But China is probably extremely dependent on the IMF and the USA is basically the watchdog of the IMF. So China probably is unable to do much or the IMF would pull funds and the Chinese economy would crash.

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(04-22-2019 07:40 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 06:35 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I wonder what happens if China just tells the US to fuck off.

It would be nice so this nonstop warmongering would come to an end. But China is probably extremely dependent on the IMF and the USA is basically the watchdog of the IMF. So China probably is unable to do much or the IMF would pull funds and the Chinese economy would crash.

Don't know where you get that from. According to the IMF, China's government debt is proportionally half of the USA's at 55% of GDP. The USA's is 107% of GDP.
China buys a lot of US treasury bonds.

China's economy might crash if the USA imposed strong secondary sanctions on Chinese products for buying Iranian oil, though.

One way how attacking Iran could lead to World War III.

Interesting to see how South Korea is a major buyer of Iranian oil, would the USA sanction an ally which stations US troops?

Madness. Trump acting on Netanyahu's orders and "Rapture" Pompeo trying to bring the Apocalypse.

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(04-22-2019 07:54 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 07:40 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 06:35 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I wonder what happens if China just tells the US to fuck off.

It would be nice so this nonstop warmongering would come to an end. But China is probably extremely dependent on the IMF and the USA is basically the watchdog of the IMF. So China probably is unable to do much or the IMF would pull funds and the Chinese economy would crash.

Don't know where you get that from. According to the IMF, China's government debt is proportionally half of the USA's at 55% of GDP. The USA's is 107% of GDP.
China buys a lot of US treasury bonds.

China's economy might crash if the USA imposed strong secondary sanctions on Chinese products for buying Iranian oil, though.

One way how attacking Iran could lead to World War III.

Interesting to see how South Korea is a major buyer of Iranian oil, would the USA sanction an ally which stations US troops?

Madness. Trump acting on Netanyahu's orders and "Rapture" Pompeo trying to bring the Apocalypse.

Certainly China's debt is much more under control that the USA's and China's future is brighter simply because the USA seems to be self destructing. But the IMF still pulls a lot of strings. Capitalism requires cheap money, and it would be hard to imagine China isn't dependent on the IMF to some degree. I hope for their sake they are not.

I am completely against a war with Iran, and if that takes Russia and China stepping up and telling the USA "enough is enough" I am all for it. I just am not sure it will happen.

I too am surprised to see South Korea buying so much oil from Iran. I was thinking South Korea was really under the thumb of the USA and that would have never been allowed.

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China knows that the USA and the west in general is ruled entirely by hostile parasitic elites and that all they have to do is contain the parasite while the host dies. If they can manage that then the parasite dies with the host.

I wouldn't look for them to do anything more than bleed the west as passively as possible. Russia will do likewise. They will simply exact the maximum possible cost for every win the western parasite elites attempt to gain. Syria. Ukraine. Venezuela. China and Russia know that an empire is like a jet plane. It doesn't have to stop entirely to stall and crash. You just have to increase the
drag until the engines can't maintain stall-speed+1.

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(04-22-2019 08:27 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  China knows that the USA and the west in general is ruled entirely by hostile parasitic elites and that all they have to do is contain the parasite while the host dies. If they can manage that then the parasite dies with the host.

I wouldn't look for them to do anything more than bleed the west as passively as possible. Russia will do likewise. They will simply exact the maximum possible cost for every win the western parasite elites attempt to gain. Syria. Ukraine. Venezuela. China and Russia know that an empire is like a jet plane. It doesn't have to stop entirely to stall and crash. You just have to increase the
drag until the engines can't maintain stall-speed+1.

That is really the million dollar question.

Who really does run China and who really does run Russia. Is it really Xi and Putin. Both countries have made moves recently that tell me that Xi and Putin don't have full control, especially Xi.

China is vastly overpopulated and has a very high IQ base and hard working dedicated class to choose from. Yet they are importing 3rd world populations. That tells me that there is more control over China than just the Chinese nationalist strain of the govt.

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What's Russia gonna do exactly? What leverage do they have besides bombs and cyber attacks on nations they don't like?

At the end of the day it seems as though having a military isn't enough. Sure, USA has a huge military but it seems like the Dollar and our international reputation is what lets us get away with telling lesser countries what to do. Same with China. They've got a rubbish reputation but they can put economic pressure (or leverage) on countries and get the results they want.

Does Russia even have any major exports that aren't natural resources and what would allow Russia to tell a stronger nation what to do? Not being down on Russia. I just don't really see what they'd be able to tell USA (or China) to do in a situation where either of these economic "powerhouses" decides to bust moves.

Furthermore, why would Russia and China want the USA to not be entangled in further wars? Countries do not act out of beneficence. This is the great game. Wouldn't you want your enemy to drain himself on warfare?

I doubt we will fight with Iran directly. It seems like the move these days it to fund guerillas to pick apart the local government until there is civil upheaval.

That said, Iran claims to have no nukes, so I have wondered why USA and Israel haven't tag-teamed Iran. I guess Hezbollah might be a big concern?

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(04-22-2019 09:55 AM)Fortis Wrote:  What's Russia gonna do exactly? What leverage do they have besides bombs and cyber attacks on nations they don't like?

At the end of the day it seems as though having a military isn't enough. Sure, USA has a huge military but it seems like the Dollar and our international reputation is what lets us get away with telling lesser countries what to do. Same with China. They've got a rubbish reputation but they can put economic pressure (or leverage) on countries and get the results they want.

Does Russia even have any major exports that aren't natural resources and what would allow Russia to tell a stronger nation what to do? Not being down on Russia. I just don't really see what they'd be able to tell USA (or China) to do in a situation where either of these economic "powerhouses" decides to bust moves.

Furthermore, why would Russia and China want the USA to not be entangled in further wars? Countries do not act out of beneficence. This is the great game. Wouldn't you want your enemy to drain himself on warfare?

I doubt we will fight with Iran directly. It seems like the move these days it to fund guerillas to pick apart the local government until there is civil upheaval.

That said, Iran claims to have no nukes, so I have wondered why USA and Israel haven't tag-teamed Iran. I guess Hezbollah might be a big concern?

Back to the million dollar question, I don't think anyone knows for sure who runs China and Russia. If Xi and Putin do truly run their nations then we will find out soon enough. Lets go with the thought process that they do.

China and Russia know that the USA is in serious trouble, just as the forum posters here know it as well. They don't need to beat us in anything, we are beating ourselves. They simply have to let the clock run out. But they do need a few things to keep their countries growing, and I am sure oil is one of them, despite their natural resources. So they will want to protect an oil stake in the middle east so the USA cannot completely cut them off.

If that is the case, they could supply the Iran regime with the S-400 Surface to Air defense system and some fighter jets and likely Iran would be safe from the USA. The spirit in the USA is no longer there for war, much less against an opponent who would then have modern technology and put up a real fight.

Russia and China can do a lot, if that is the desire of the leadership of those nations.

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Well this could be interesting. U.S. seems hell bent on taking all of Iran's oil off the market. No more waivers or exemptions. Iran says they're gonna block the straits. Will they blink or will they retaliate will all the pain that no crude exports puts on them and their people?

Iran Threatens To Block Key Oil Chokepoint If It Can No Longer Export Crude

Quote:Iran will block the world’s most important chokepoint for global oil trade, the Strait of Hormuz, if Tehran is barred from using it to export its oil, Navy Rear Admiral Alireza Tangsiri, Commander of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC), said on Monday, just as the U.S. announced that it would not be extending any waivers to Iranian oil customers.

"According to international law, the Strait of Hormuz is a marine passageway and if we are barred from using it, we will shut it down. In case of any threat, we will have not even an iota of doubt to protect and defend the Iranian waters. We will defend our prestige and embark on reciprocal acts when it comes to defending Iran's right," Iranian Fars news agency quoted Tangsiri as saying in an interview with Arabic-language al-Alam news channel on Monday.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo tweeted early on Monday, confirming earlier reports that the U.S. planned to end all waivers when they expire in early May:

“Maximum pressure on the Iranian regime means maximum pressure. That’s why the U.S. will not issue any exceptions to Iranian oil importers. The global oil market remains well-supplied. We’re confident it will remain stable as jurisdictions transition away from Iranian crude.”

The Department of State confirmed:

“Today we are announcing the United States will not issue any additional Significant Reduction Exceptions to existing importers of Iranian oil. The Trump Administration has taken Iran’s oil exports to historic lows, and we are dramatically accelerating our pressure campaign in a calibrated way that meets our national security objectives while maintaining well supplied global oil markets.”

I have to say, it's weird to see Trump bitch about oil and gasoline prices when he's busy trying to take two big oil producer's completely out of the market. (Venezuela and Iran).

I say if we're helping the Saudi's in Yemen then they can stop with this production cut bullshit they're doing and stop promoting it to OPEC or we get out. They have to choose. Aramco IPO stock price, or help in Yemen...not both. Not that they have the spare production to cover two big producers but still...

"The global oil market remains well-supplied" that's pretty funny Pompeo. The market seems to think otherwise.

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Trump will not escalate before the elections, as it will lead to a huge spike in gas prices, and a lot of his base is sick of mideast wars for Israel. We'll see what he will do next year, or what Biden/Buttgig will do if they beat him.

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