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The coming war with Iran
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(05-12-2019 12:32 AM)[email protected] Wrote: What's stopping Iran from getting a nuclear deterrent? It's not like they have any incentive to hold back now.
(05-12-2019 02:00 AM)BBinger Wrote:(05-12-2019 12:32 AM)[email protected] Wrote: What's stopping Iran from getting a nuclear deterrent? It's not like they have any incentive to hold back now.
Right now Turkey, Russia, Europe, and Time in that order. Nuclear weapons require highly enriched uranium or plutonium and provided Iran has been complying with the agreements and such getting one of those things takes time.
Quote:Two Saudi oil tankers were the targets of a "sabotage attack" off the coast of the United Arab Emirates on Sunday, Saudi Arabia's energy minister says.
The incident near Fujairah port caused "significant damage" to the vessels, Khalid al-Falih said in a statement.
The UAE said four ships of various nationalities had been hit. There were no injuries or deaths.
The Iranian foreign ministry said the incidents were "worrisome and dreadful" and called for a full investigation.
Tensions are high in the area, through which about a fifth of oil that is consumed globally passes.
The US has deployed additional warships there in recent days to counter what it called "clear indications" of threats from Iran to its forces and maritime traffic in the region. Iran dismissed the allegation as nonsense.
What do we know about the 'sabotage attack'?
"Two Saudi oil tankers were subjected to a sabotage attack in the exclusive economic zone of the United Arab Emirates, off the coast of the Emirate of Fujairah, while on their way to cross into the Arabian Gulf," Mr Falih said in a statement quoted by the official Saudi Press Agency.
"One of the two vessels was on its way to be loaded with Saudi crude oil from the port of Ras Tanura, to be delivered to Saudi Aramco's customers in the United States."
There were no injuries reported but the two tankers suffered significant damage to their structures, he added.
"The international community has a joint responsibility to protect the safety of maritime navigation and the security of oil tankers," Mr Falih said.
On Sunday, the government of the emirate of Fujairah, which is part of the UAE, denied media reports that there had been explosions at its port.
US maritime authorities have urged caution when travelling in the area.
(05-13-2019 04:44 PM)Rigsby Wrote: Just what the fuck is America's problem?
And a problem that might become Britain's problem, and Germany's problem (see Afghanistan).
I'm not going to write an essay here. I'm tired of all that shit. But I read the news today. Oh boy!
The whole tone in the BBC is making America out to be so reasonable and so patient with Iran's shit. "We don't want war". Really?
Then they cherry pick and amplify Iran's responses and make them out to be the bad guy!
Like they are going to hit four fucking ships in the region just at a time when America is spoiling to go to war. Or so it seems.
I know, what will be a good idea will be to hit four fucking ships in the region, that will calm shit down. Said no Iranian ever.
The belligerent and bellicose attitude in the press is telling. Even all the comments are saying Iran needs to be hit. Stupid Iran. 'Merica Strong!
We know it's not America though. It's those (((select))) few in power and their (((paymasters))) who just happen to run America.
But good ol' American boys will die and lose limbs if this really does kick off. Personally I just think there will be a false flag and Iran will just get the shit bombed out of it. No need for bodies (or arms/legs) on the ground. Literally. Well, except for the Iranians of course.
I talked to a lovely Iranian lady today. In London. Booking a hotel for friends. We ended up having a really nice chat. I told her how I grew up there (in the region), went to an American (defense base) school. She was very pleasant. We didn't mention the 'war'.
Maybe my bullshit detection capabilities are just getting super-sophisticated, or maybe the propaganda bullshit machine is just getting more desperate and crass.
Four ships 'sabotaged'.
Yet no one knows what was used to do it. Did they use harpoons or frigging sharks with laser beams?
They showed one shot of the Norwegian ship with a crack/tear in its hull. Uh uh. Looks bad. Didn't sink the ship, but still. What hit it?
It's not plausible. This is the ramping up of propaganda they did before Iraq/Afghanistan. Same old same old song.
Trump just seems to be sitting in the cuck armchair while his wife (country) gets double-railed by the Bulls (warmongers). Hopefully I'm wrong about that. Still on the Trump train for now. I know. What can i say. Loyalty is my one major weakness.
So four ships have been damaged, but no oil spill? Remember these oil tankers carry oil. And it will be a sad day in hell when anyone anywhere starts blowing shit up in the Persian Gulf or Gulf of Oman. It's a small place. It would be truly catastrophic. Pretty soon all those dead birds and dead oil would be washing up on a shore owned by despots. They wouldn't want that. It would be an absolute cluster fuck.
And it would be bad optics. I mean, yeah, sabotage a ship or four! But make sure they don't spill any oil now. Do you seriously think anyone in that region would be so stupid to do something like that at this inflammatory stage of the game? Do you think they would want to deal with the oil spill if they got it wrong? The Gulf is a very closed ecosystem. Don't shit on your own doorstep.
Then again it might come to it. Iran has a massive amount of missiles. America and Israel might have the bomb, but Iran still has some serious disruptive capability.
What do you think would be the stinkier fart in the room?
A: America nuking Tehran.
B: Iran taking out a Carrier with 5000 plus loss of life.
In both the BBC and the Mail it's just threat after threat from Iran about how they are going to destroy America's ships. Sure, they probably did make that point at some point. But it makes them sound like the warmongers.
Iran is in fear. Who wouldn't be when big ol' bad 'Merica is gunning for you in their sights.
I don't know what is going on. I hope it all blows over soon.
My armchair general prediction at this point in time?
False flag that provides an excuse to bomb shit in Iran, not just Tehran. Isfahan, nuclear facilities, coastal defenses.
Iran might just get pissed off enough to send a few of those missiles in to Tel Aviv or Manama. Then it really would be game on.
I think this just escalates until Iran gets bombed a bit. They lay back and take it like the bigger man, knowing the alternative would be far worse.
Iranian people strike me as a cultured and clever people. Sure they have their bigots and religious zealotry, but they aren't so 'bug-men' as the Chinese or Arabs when it comes to loss of face.
Iran gets painted as some mad 'Islamic' country, but they aren't Arabs as such. This point can be argued, but you know...
They certainly aren't angels. They have massive problems with drug-trafficking from nearby countries, i.e. Afghanistan, and it's a real threat to their system. And they deal with it accordingly, i.e. brutally.
But they are a sovereign state that does not interfere in greater geo-politics, and their worse sin is probably wanting to build a nuke for self-survival.
It's a Shia state at the end of the day, with the Sauds and their ilk being Sunni. The ultra-right wing Sunni branch of Wahhabism in SA is being exported all over the world, but I'm just not feeling it that those pesky Shias are doing anything else other than trying to survive.
Now the battle encroaches upon them. Will they defend themselves? Will they be punished for doing so?
All that shit about Israel did 9/11 and the 19 hijackers having Saudi passports. All that shit about the Sauds being Crypto-Jews...
It really gets the old noggin joggin'.
It won't just be a few people jumping off the Trump Train if America attacks Iran.
It will be a sea change and a whole new ball game.
(05-13-2019 04:44 PM)Rigsby Wrote: Just what the fuck is America's problem?
And a problem that might become Britain's problem, and Germany's problem (see Afghanistan).
I'm not going to write an essay here. I'm tired of all that shit. But I read the news today. Oh boy!
The whole tone in the BBC is making America out to be so reasonable and so patient with Iran's shit. "We don't want war". Really?
Then they cherry pick and amplify Iran's responses and make them out to be the bad guy!
Like they are going to hit four fucking ships in the region just at a time when America is spoiling to go to war. Or so it seems.
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(05-12-2019 07:10 PM)911 Wrote: SnipHence the importance of proper ways to discover truth and discard falsehood. To think critically correctly. To put ideas to the test.
That hoax, along with others like Flat Earth, are powerful mind fucks designed to keep the normies from asking questions about real issues, like the validity of global warming or the JFK assassination.
(05-13-2019 05:11 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote: I wonder what the functional life of those tankers was and what the insurance payout will be.
(05-14-2019 11:10 AM)Pride male Wrote: No Iranian ever called you goyim.
(05-14-2019 01:10 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:(05-14-2019 11:10 AM)Pride male Wrote: No Iranian ever called you goyim.
True. They don't use Yiddish. They like to call us the Great Satan in general, or Kaafir for individuals. Also, Jews try to get jobs at all the banks, universities, media outlets, and government offices to take over the world. Iranians like bombing school busses and Jihad and such. It's a big difference for sure.
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