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True wizard checking in for one thread. Save for one kiss, I have never touched a female of the species intimately, and there's 3.5 billion of them on this planet, so this is fairly remarkable. It has been well over a decade since I last talked to a woman with the intention of getting some action. Since that time, physical contact with potentially eligible women has been limited to a few professional handshakes.

As you can hopefully determine by my selection of a forum to post this in, I am not hostile to players. However, I'm not really looking for advice, just want to vent for a moment. This post will be fairly listacular because I have a lot of ground to cover.

Regarding my basic desirability parameters, I'm 6' Master Race™, so no problems in this sense. Undistinguished midrank software developer, little wealth, no fame. Quite fat, as you can already guess. Tool dimension around the national average.

How do women react to me - or did, when I even tried?

• Mostly they just utterly ignore me. This is the best outcome. If I were to approach them, they could no longer ignore me and the situation would deteriorate. By never approaching, I am actually maximizing my satisfaction! Sure, it's only a local maximum, but the global maximum will never be in my reach anyway.
• Ridicule. By engaging me as forcefully as this, they lower their own status, so this is quite rare. It's not even particularly devastating.
• Fear. I'm not physically intimidating but some tense up anyway.
• Disgust. Some don't even try to hide it.
• Pity... oh save me from the pity of women. This is just crushing.
  

What specific causes are there to my V-card?

• Late start. Being behind the curve at every stage didn't help.
• Distaste for alcohol. Not utilizing this social lubricant is a huge roadblock.
• Low social engagement. I have no male friends either (don't want or need any) so there goes social circle game. On the plus side, I have never been friendzoned!
• No proximity to females. My job and my hobbies are utterly male dominated.
• Low sex drive. By not wanting it badly, I get none at all.
• Low ability in or preference for small talk. Obviously detrimental.
• Vivid imagination. I readily escape into soothing fantasy and then reality doesn't seem that bad.
• High standards. Boy oh boy. Once I scoped out a booth babe at a trade fair and thought she looked kinda hot. Hey it's the reigning Miss Finland!
• Bad posture. Man, is a hunchback ever an attraction killer.
• Yellowish teeth. The only bullet point that could perhaps be corrected by means of technology.
• Disappearing hair. Not bad yet, but I have a year or two max before I really will look middle-aged.
• Fear of disease. The statistics on this are horrifying.
• Fear of knocking a girl up. All after-the-fact options are terrible.
  

What are my options?

• Fatty. No way, there is a mote of austere dignity even in celibacy that whale harpooning destroys.
• Cougar. Should have tried a 35-year-old when I was twenty... no way am I going after much older women now.
• Professional. Illegal... skeevy. If I could get legit booty once, I'd probably become an infrequent low-intensity sex tourist of some kind.
• Suicide. I'm going to die alone. Why delay? I could die alone right now. But no, I'm just listing this for completeness, I'm obviously not actively suffering, merely denied an important pleasure.
• Go gay! They seem to have it easier, eh? No, this is not in the picture either.
  

What strategy could I choose?

• Daygame. The video where "Good Looking Loser" approaches girls in broad daylight was absolutely mindblowing (he flagged down a jogger?!) and if I'd seen it 15 years ago my life could be very different. Truth be told, I have regretted staying silent in some of the rare cases where I've felt a strong urge to talk to a girl on the street.
• Nightgame... not very appealing nor realistic.
• Online dating. This would presumably involve a lot of lying. Another hurdle would be that I currently do not own any photographs of myself.
  

Although I despise the modern entitlement mentality, I cannot quite help feeling a little shortchanged. Surely over-the-clothes fondling twice per year and brief vaginal penetration twice per decade is not that much to ask, in these degraded times? Maybe it is. After all, sex is a reward for high value men, something which I obviously am not. Could I be? Amp myself up to a higher energy level, teach myself to be social (somehow), acquire interesting stories to tell or the ability and low morals to lie about them, do posture exercises and lifting and above all get thin. I recognize obesity is my #1 obstacle, but all the other problems would remain. And they form quite the gauntlet. And in the end the best I could do would still be fat, old, ugly or infected. I don't think I'll bother.

Anyway, that was my tale of woe. Thanks for reading.

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Post: #3

Are you trying to improve or looking for sympathy?

Every man here will help you improve yourself if you are willing.

Otherwise go to Reddit.

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Assuming this is genuine:
I'm not in your shoes, but some things I've done for similar symptoms include:
Going to an endocrine doctor-low test is likely a factor in your case.
Going to Toastmasters or a Carnegie course if Finland has those- anything to boost your communication skills. You can always tell them it's to get ahead at work.
Go to a dance school.

Haven't done this, but if nothing else it would open your eyes to pay for it, if you happen to be somewhere it's legal, or to take a holiday somewhere 'liberal' like Australia or Holland for a few weeks.

And yes, it will take struggle. However, a dude born without arms or legs is married with two children (with a 'normal' woman) so it's not impossible.

Post: #6

Tell us how you approached 10 girls yesterday, or at least about your diet and gym regimen. Otherwise fuck off.

Post: #7

Looks like he got fucked by the ban hammer.

Post: #8

Heh. "nightgame, not very appealing or realistic"

Post: #9

I know that P4P is frowned upon here, but if these guys really aren't trolls and really haven't had sex, they should just go to prostitutes, while working on the skills they need to get women the right way.

Post: #10

"I despise the modern entitlement mentality" "Ohhh the pity"

His dichotomies are cutting. Incredibly high standards for women despite never getting laid, yellowing teeth and overweight. Lack of killer instinct. Lack of wealth.

Here is my sad story, there are many things I could do to change this, but I won't. Poor me. Shit at least he could have gotten rich and then fucked some bottle skanks.

What has he been doing his whole life? Playing dungeons and dragons?

Pretty sure he made another account to post this 4 months ago: /thread-39822.html

If you're reading this: If you haven't changed anything in the last 4 months, nothing will ever change for you and you don't deserve anything new in your life simply because you think you should be getting laid. You create your own change.

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High standards.. Haaaaaa

Post: #13

"Tool dimension around the national average." Brilliant.

Post: #14

(12-30-2014 09:13 PM)bacan Wrote:  High standards.. Haaaaaa

It's ok to say this when you also have high standards for yourself.

If your "high standards" are only for other people, then it is just an exercise in self-delusion.

Post: #15

37 year old virgin - programmer living in Northern Europe or Germany - and a virgin?

Of course he is a troll. Even if you are obese it would be better to have organized some coke, invest 2000$ on a prime-level escort and be done with it.

Apart from that there are long-term self-improvement programs out there. Most start by getting in shape, learning Game - there are long-term Game coaches already. Fuck - there are even 5'2 PUAs now for short guys. There are no fat PUAs though, so slimming down is something that anyone can do.

Most men can raise their sexual market value tremendously by working out, slimming down & learning Game. Even extremely short guys with disfigured faces can likely get a girlfriend. The most difficult thing is to change are your inner perceptions - that can take much longer than some outer changes. But most men are not willing to admit that what is holding them back are their own inner fears and limitations and not some external boogieman.

Post: #16

(12-30-2014 10:52 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  "Tool dimension around the national average." Brilliant.

Why worry about game when it's all about the tool dimension?

Post: #17

i would have gone to a hooker, escort before 30

Post: #18

Guy put a lot of effort into that troll, jeez..

Post: #19

Dang. He got banned with the quickness.

Post: #20

(12-30-2014 07:40 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  I know that P4P is frowned upon here, but if these guys really aren't trolls and really haven't had sex, they should just go to prostitutes, while working on the skills they need to get women the right way.

Agreed. I would recommend to all virgins above 30 to just pay for it and get it over as quickly as possible. Otherwise the procrastination will just continue. How many more years would they waste being a virgin. Loosing ones virginity is so over-rated.

Post: #21

This guy had Aspergers, or is pretending to. I'm very surprised nobody called it out.

The signs are all there, see the way he describes his poor social ability in a way that he thinks is very analytical, but completely ignores so many unstated social dynamics. Aspergers guys are just completely oblivious to social dynamics until they learn them analytically.

Typical Reddit user.