Post: #1

Having been inspired in large part by Jariel's excellent "Rich and Famous Men Still Get Played" series, I've decided to present a worthy addition to what will surely prove to be a long compendium of simpery.



Juelz Santana is a rapper from Harlem. He was pretty big during the early/mid-2000's, with two top 10 studio albums released in 2003 and 2005. His biggest individual hit was probably "The Whistle Song", which made its way into an installment of "The Fast and the Furious" and got a lot of airtime in 05/06.





He had a few other major hits in collaboration with other artists. This one was a top 4 track in 2002.





Juelz hasn't been relevant musically in the better part of a decade. His most recent success was a feature in "Beamer, Benz, or Bentley" with Lloyd Banks, which you may have heard in a club somewhere once or twice.





That was 2010, so you can see how far this dude has fallen off as far as musical relevance goes. That being said, he was still rich and famous.

He was also a simp.





This is Kimbella Vanderhee. Her resume is about what you'd expect it to be: urban booty mags, music videos, etc, etc. She was basically the type of girl who could make a living on a cock carousel filled with athletes and musicians with a few photoshoots taken here and there.

Now, I have to give Kimbella here some credit: there are a lot of pretty girls out there like her, but the actual "ballers" (athletes, rappers) they all want to get at are in extremely short supply. Kimbella actually managed to snag one by the name of Juelz Santana.



What follows is summed up very concisely in this video:





To put it all in written summary:

-Juelz becomes a big-time celebrity.

-Juelz begins to begins to, like most celebrities, attract beautiful women on the basis of two things: fame and money. These are women who are beautiful, and generally would be far out of Juelz's league. The two things Juelz has over a woman like Kimbella that put him above her league are fame and money.

-Fame and money = leverage for the celebrity. Kimbella came into the relationship with looks alone; no fame and no money. He, on the other hand, had plenty of fame and lots of money.
Leverage = power in business and in relationships.

-Juelz leans on his fame and money while failing to apply any effective game, essentially simping away all of his leverage (s so many celebrity men do).
a. He puts her on reality TV, upping her financial status and her fame.
b. He knocks her up, increasing her financial security and her fame

-In short, Juelz legitimizes Kimbella and, in doing so, gives away both the fame and money leverages he had over her without cultivating any game to fall back on. Before him, she was just a pretty no-name booty model. Now, thanks to Juelz, she was a reality tv-star with her own brand and a famous baby-daddy to market to legions of curious social media watchers (further building her brand).

-With no leverage left for Juelz, Kimbella feels she has completed her "come-up": Juelz hasn't released any decent music in half a decade, while her brand was growing. As far as she was concerned, she was the bigger deal. She'd lived every come-up's dream: latched on to a rich and famous man, built her own fame and wealth through him, and become "someone" (albeit a D-list "someone", if that) in her own right, all while he declined.

-Kimbella thinks that perhaps it's time to upgrade. Naturally, the relationship takes a turn for the worst as a result. Juelz hasn't cultivated enough game to maintain attraction and keep control; Kimbella begins to assert her new authority.

-Juelz goes on twitter airing out some of the dirty laundry.



-Kimbella comes back on instagram with this:


And she wasn't done - she still has the biological leverage Juelz handed her to use as a public shaming weapon against him.


Her posts have gotten much more attention and support than his.

The conquest is complete. Juelz went from confident, rich, and famous hip-hop prince to just another simp getting publicly blasted by a booty model whose relevance was entirely a product of his efforts. He no longer commands any of her respect, and she can freely trash him publicly as a result.

There is a lesson in this for any man: leverage is key in all relationships. The romantic success that so many enviously watch famous men enjoy is a direct product of leverage: they have fame and money that many of the super-beautiful women they're bedding do not have.

Hand that off to her as simps like Juelz are prone to do, and soon your former no-name booty model/video vixen/stripper/waitress will start to take you to task, and she'll win. Why? Because you'll no longer have the upper hand - you gave it away.

If you're a man who was once in Juelz's old position of power, what's left after you lose your leverage? Just one thing: actual attraction. When she no longer feels drawn to your fame or your money (because she doesn't need it), all that's left to keep her around is your ability to inspire a genuine desire in her to be around you.

In short, all that you have at that point is game. The less financial and social leverage you wield, the more game you need.

Juelz Santana and many other rich, famous men (including just about all of those jariel has so expertly profiled in his series) have one thing in common: a complete failure to recognize the importance of game and prioritize it accordingly. Their fame and money is so effective in drawing women that they fail to sufficiently cultivate their ability to inspire a natural attraction in women - their cash and celebrity did that for them.

And this is all fine and well...until the cash and the celebrity go away. Then, unless you have game, you'll be on the Juelz Santana pathway to simpery public shaming at the hands of irrelevant booty models.

Life is hard out there for a simp.

Post: #2

Great post my man McGinnis oops I mean Excelsior, I'm only about 25 pages into the Manipulated Man, but it's only reinforcing the knowledge that women bring nothing to the table other than their looks and their pussy. Seriously that Kimbella bitch got everything handed to her because she had a nice fat ass and probably gave ridiculous head, now that she's been fed and has a lifetime ticket to the "dinner buffet" she's dissing her man and leaving him high and dry.

I'm trying to deprogram myself from giving women automatic value due to their looks, but sometimes it's really hard not to when a chick is just straight up fine. Regardless every man needs game and red pill knowledge so that at the least they can protect themselves from getting raped from divorce, child support, etc., not to mention getting cheated on or play the way hypergamy has run rampant, nowadays even celebs like Chris Brown got to watch their back.

Post: #3

You have articulated very well, the risks and dangers that can face any man today.

Your observations confirm a lot of the theory in the so-called manosphere, particularly Rollo Tomassi's writing.

The situation you describe, could happen to any man if he is careless.

I probably haven't made a great point, but I see many similarities between a story like this, and experiences I have had(having ) and in what I see other men go through from time to time.

If you get a woman pregnant, and you are not able to fully commit to her(ie: she might not be LTR material etc), you're pretty fucked, as other women will see it as a red flag, your finances are drained, etc.. Don't get me wrong, it's great being a parent when you apply yourself to it, but if you fuck up, like this guy, and I did, you will regret it, and you will wish things could be different.

Post: #4

Bitch is fine as hell, my boner would be in overdrive, but just straight out the gate, it should've been obvious that she wasn't LTR material with all the tats, party slut style, and her being a rap video groupie chick. The power of the pussy I guess, I myself have succumb to it before, all the glaring red flags, but once I started sticking my dick in the pussy, I had my blinders on. Live and learn I suppose, one would think that a famous rap star would know better, he could've been hitting it amongst a ton of other equally hot chicks, without wifing her up in an LTR and putting a baby in her belly. If I were him I'd get a paternity test just to make sure its his, who knows maybe she was fucking Camron, or some other mid-2000s rap stars.

Post: #5

Part of Santana's problem was that he was in and out of jail and fighting some serious demons with his addictions

Couple that with a loss of hand in your relationship, and in no time you are being treated by stripper of the month candidates like Kimbella

Don't be fooled by these rap guys; most of them are slaves to the "P" like any other guy. The only difference is their checks say Universal Records instead of IBM

Post: #6

As a kid I always thought rich men giving their mistresses and girlfriends jobs was dumb. It seemed so needless and a waste of time.

Post: #7

What an excellent fucking thread by the King himself.

The dynamic of this situation and other similar ones we've discussed in the Rich and Famous Men Still Get Played series will be at the heart of the next Real Talk Sessions, which I assure you will be an absolute BEAST.

Thanks to Excelsior for this level of understanding and analysis of the game, it forces the rest of us to keep our games high, which only helps the learning environment that has been installed within this community to help men, not only be better for themselves, but for the women they choose to be a part of their lives.

Post: #8

(01-30-2015 11:28 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Seriously that Kimbella bitch got everything handed to her because she had a nice fat ass and probably gave ridiculous head

At this point, a fat ass is ubiquitous. It's no coincidence that these women are getting passports just to hit other countries to get banana roll liposuction, breast implants, etc. to maximize their beauty -- a cousin of mine used to work for a famous plastic surgeon in Santo Domingo they call "Dr. Yily", a lot of these urban models have gone to her to get Brazilian butt lifts.

These women know that they are creating themselves into physical specimens who don't exude anything other than sex. They use their fat asses, good head, good pussy, etc. to manipulate men to believing shit that just isn't true -- "she loves me".

It's just a woman's nature, that's why in her quest to become your girlfriend, she's licking your asshole and riding your dick until your toenails break off, then after she becomes wifey the only thing that sucks in the house is the marriage.

Post: #9

This is an apt rejoinder to those who say "if I only I had the money, fame etc.."

This Vanderhoe would have been excellent pump and dump material yet Santana tried to her wife up and is now dealing with the results. If I ever end up making millions, besides my parents and a few close friends, no one else will ever know about it. If I get famous, you better believe, I'm puling a Clooney.

I'm one of those business oriented cats, and I know that nothing messes you up more than having issues at the home front. Maybe those Mormons got something right, look at Ann Romney (not bad for a MILF) who supported Mitt throughout his career as a house wife.

Post: #10

Juelz likely never had any real paper. He had fame and status, but it takes a lot to actually get rich in the rap game.

I remember seeing not too long ago that he and this chick were being evicted from an apartment.

Just a reminder to all these wannabe models out there, you can be "fine as hell" to the average dude, but the best you can get is a one-hit wonder rap artist.

Post: #11

Spot on. But I'd give Kimbella credit on her hustle to take advantage of Juelz's status and success and made her own brand out of it. Video Vixens/IG Models know that the only thing they really offer is looks. And she took full advantage of it with Juelz and then some......

There's thousands of aspiring models who wished they were in Kimbella's position right now.

Post: #12

I agree he's a simp, and made huge mistakes, but he did get 3 kids out of it, had this girl at her physical prime, and since he's broke he won't get divorce raped. I have a feeling he will have the last laugh.

Post: #13

Love the work you and Jariel put in on these situations, it's a real learning curve and something to remember for the guys on this forum, especially those like me who've yet to get married and would like to

Post: #14

(01-31-2015 02:59 AM)jariel Wrote:  It's just a woman's nature, that's why in her quest to become your girlfriend, she's licking your asshole and riding your dick until your toenails break off, then after she becomes wifey the only thing that sucks in the house is the marriage.

Haha you nailed it brother, this is exactly what happened to me with my two LTR's, in the future I'm going to enjoy the sex, while knowing the score, no more catching feelings and believing it when they say "I love you."

Post: #15

(01-31-2015 09:13 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I agree he's a simp, and made huge mistakes, but he did get 3 kids out of it, had this girl at her physical prime, and since he's broke he won't get divorce raped. I have a feeling he will have the last laugh.

Personally I don't think the 3 kids are a silverlining, unless you're one of these people who feels that your purpose in life is to reproduce. He could've had kids by another less trashy and scandalous woman, plus having the 3 kids has probably greatly contributed to his being broke. He could have enjoyed her in her physical prime without having knocked her up. I don't see how he'll have the last laugh unless somehow he gets more wealth and fame, which at this point seems unlikely.

Post: #16

Great case study.

For me the principle always comes back to the same thing: understanding the real nature of men and women, and especially how women truly think and act.

As Athlone notes, fame and money can be obstacles to knowledge. A celebrity may rely on these things as crutches, using them readily to get women. And he neglects to cultivate his own game, his own inner knowledge, and his own wisdom. This leaves him helpless for the inevitable day when he loses everything.

And women can instinctively sense this. They can feel a man who lacks a masculine core, who is drifting like a rudderless ship. And they will move in for the kill.

Man's most valuable possession is truly what he has inside his head:

http://www.returnofkings.com/12534/mans-...possession

This thread forms a nice complement to Roosh's thread earlier today about the Alabama man who lived for 2 years in the woods, surviving off the land. On the surface, it might seem that these threads have little in common.

A deeper look says otherwise.

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