Post: #1

Lately, I've really enjoyed the task of keeping up this series, mostly because ideas keep coming to me left and right. I'll have one particular idea on my mind, and then something else will surface that I feel needs to be addressed immediately. The level of content on this board is at such a high-level right now, I know I have to bring it.

Fake Dimes = Loser Females
Recently, a neighbor of mine and I decided to get together to hang out and talk about business. We both work in the same industry, although in different facets and for different companies.

While we were hanging out, his sister stopped by with some unfortunate news, she had just been fired from her job.

His sister is one of those "fake dimes" who are rising in numbers as the years go by in the Magic City. Fake dimes are girls who look like they have their shit together, but when you peel back the layers, you find a multitude of issues.

She gets fake dime status for being well above-average attractive, as in if you saw her at any regular nightclub, she would be considered one of the hottest girls in there. She keeps the Bare Minerals fresh, always has her styled, dresses sexy, yet classy, and rocks Jimmy Choos with a trusty Louis Vuitton tote. However, she's also a loser because at this point of her life, she's accomplished nothing, and she doesn't bring any value to another person's life. She's undereducated, unintelligent, gullible, unable to keep a man, and now proven to be unable to keep a job -- this isn't the first time she's had to break the news to her brother that she was fired from a job.

What Led To Her Demise This Time
She had been working at this last job for the past three years. She ascended somewhat in that she became a trusted employee, was given extra benefits here and there, etc.

I listened intently as she told her story, analyzing certain pieces of information, but withheld from disclosing my thoughts.

Blah, blah, blah, the story was finally over.

I'll share those thoughts of mine here.

One mistake she made was that she allowed herself to start believing that her co-workers were her friends. She started hanging out with them during off-time, bringing in baked goods to share with them, doing favors for them when they needed, etc.

I'm not going to say you can't make friends with people you work with, but it has always been my belief that your job is first and foremost the place you make money. You should never let anything get in the way of your ability to make money, especially something meaningless like phony relationships with other losers at work. We spend a lot of time with people we work with, that's inherent to the situation, but we often don't know them, many of them have circumstances in their lives that are completely foreign to us, marriage, mortgages, children, etc. We don't need to be that involved with them, especially when you consider that in most cases, you won't gain anything out of those "friendships".

As a result of believing that her co-workers had become her friends, she found herself in the middle of a situation that she should have never allowed herself to be in. Rather than getting out of that situation and covering her ass, she chose to "be a friend". Well being a friend cost her the only livelihood she had. Now here she is at her brother's place, telling another "woe is me" story that will end in her asking him for money.

Another mistake she made was that she worked at that particular place for too long. It wasn't a place you spend three years at. It's the type of place that after year one, you start looking for something better. The fact that she had been there so long allowed her to get comfortable. Comfort and the workplace just don't go hand in hand, not in the times we're living in.

At this point, you have to ask yourself a simple question, "Would the company I work for go out of business if I was no longer working here?"

If the answer to that question is, "No", then you should understand your place.

You can't allow a false sense of comfort, fake friends, pussy, or anything else get in the way of your livelihood, especially if you don't have a safety net to catch you when you fall.

Loser Females Make Loser Mistakes
I'm sure you've heard stories like this girl's tale before, but let this story serve as a reminder to you that you're on your own. You're on your own because nobody really gives a damn about you. Winners understand that and act accordingly. Losers lie to themselves about their realities and end up being shocked when their realities bite. All of those "fake friends" weren't willing nor able to help her keep her job. Some of them lost their jobs too. Some of them had to do the firing. Lesson? None of them were ever her friends.

One crucial mistake that loser females make is that they put too much trust in the wrong people, e.g. fake friends, and because they have such a poor sense of judgment, they also have a habit of pushing away real friends.

According to her brother, up until recently, his sister had been dating a guy for a few years, a great guy who wanted to marry her. She managed to fuck up the relationship, and he made the wise decision to hit eject instead of fast forward. Loser females like her are always caught up in downward spirals like this, lost boyfriend, lost job, who knows what's going to happen next.

Loser Females = DOA Relationships
When men get with loser females, they end up being wrapped up in toxic relationships that were DOA from the word "go". Men will let these relationships go on longer than they should because these women can be quite attractive and they often bring it in the bedroom, which are their only chips to keep a man in the game, look good, fuck good.

Men invest too much time on loser females who they end up in DOA relationships with.

For example, look at all the threads we have on this board about "flaking". Loser females flake. Look, I'm not going to say that sometimes something real doesn't happen that prevents a girl from getting together with you, but consider those times the exception, not the rule.

A woman who actually has her shit together won't invest any time in a man she's not really interested in, because what does she gain from doing so?

What does a woman gain from giving her number out to a guy she doesn't really want to talk to?

What does a woman gain from making plans with a guy she knows she's going to cancel on?

Stop that bullshit of "well girls just want to be nice". That's the antithesis of nice behavior.

How is it nice to give someone your phone number and then send his call to voicemail whenever he calls and ignore his texts?

How is it nice to have a guy sitting anxiously at a bar expecting you to show up, only to text him, "Hey sorry, my cat Jingles needed a bath, can't make it"?

Women like that are fucking losers, accept it. You're devoting precious energy to them, and you're going to get nothing out of it.

Some of you have fuck buddies who you don't even like, yet you're spending two hours a week or whatever sweating up sheets with them, while there's a whole world of bitches out here who you could give pipe to and actually not feel bad about yourself for doing so.

You have to become smarter about this dating thing. You have to be wiser about who you're going to invest time, energy, money, your body, etc. into.

A lot of these women out here are just not worth it, yet you're doubling and tripling down on glaringly bad bets.

En Resumen
It will behoove you to learn how to pick out fake dimes so that you are not enthralled by their looks and/or sex game -- if it gets that far -- and how to recognize the patterns of behavior of loser females because then you will completely avoid DOA relationships that are completely void of potential and start having positive, fruitful relationships with women that will ultimately help you grow as a man.

After all, you're on your own, if you don't look out for yourself, no one will.

Post: #2

Sometimes having a strong, dominant alpha role model who doesn't take any shit can actually inspire the losers that you mention to get their shit together.

I remember a smoking hot Indian nympho I was fucking for a while and she got crazy into me because I just didn't take any shit from her. I think I was the first guy that she introduced to her parents in years. I never got really invested though as she was just didn't add that value to me that you mentioned.

Post: #3

Your post reminds me of something that my mom said about women in my neighborhood. "They ain't bad girls son. They just don't have a program". You're describing the same women my mom talked about.

IF their looks attracted a solid guy to train them right, then they could be adequate. But someone needs to put in the work. Not me, but somebody will have to save these bitches from themselves.

Post: #4

(04-06-2015 01:48 PM)vinman Wrote:  IF their looks attracted a solid guy to train them right, then they could be adequate. But someone needs to put in the work. Not me, but somebody will have to save these bitches from themselves.

Per Patrice O'Neal, Even if you don't deal with loser chicks, you're going to have to train/teach your woman HOW to love you.

A chick might be perfect on paper
She might be perfect for the first 6 months
But if you're in a serious relationship, she's gonna fuck up the program.

Is that when you bring out the guidance? After the mistake?

And if you aren't educating chicks now, are you gonna have the skillset and knowledge base for when the time comes.

Talking to myself here really.

I've had a "hands off" approach with these broads for a while.
She wanna go do some crazy shit? Cool. She's replaceable.

Then I realized these chicks weren't just yearning for the D, but they needed some G as well.

Even feminist broads like that.

I know all of you watch Girls, but here's some game from the khaki wearing business owner.

" The two of them bond over their relationship history, but Scotty agrees a little too eagerly with Shosh’s declaration of “bitches be crazy”—a casually reductive phrase that feels practically retrograde now, in 2015.

What’s worse is the way Scotty tells Shosh, “We don’t use words like failure, pathetic and lame.” We don’t use those words, he says. We.

Scotty immediately appears to be the kind of guy Hannah accuses Fran of being: the kind of guy who wants to slyly control an independent woman—for all Shosh’s talk of strong, independent women and rallying behind friends like Hannah when men kick them down, she’s all too eager to sit back and let Scotty take the wheel. It’s easier than finding a job, I guess.

Now of course getting back to the topic, you don't train a recruit with no promise.

But a part of my game that's been sorely missing is this training aspect.

Chicks, like kids, like employees, they respond well to clear rules.
It's not just laying down the law and telling the bitch where she fucked up.
Getting her to think with your mindset, keeping her on track/on task, intermittently rewarding her efforts...

Like Jariel says, just because she's a "bad bitch" doesn't mean she's a good catch. Jah knows I been down that road before.

WIA

Post: #5

(04-06-2015 03:25 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Then I realized these chicks weren't just yearning for the D, but they needed some G as well.

Post: #6

For example, look at all the threads we have on this board about "flaking". Loser females flake. Look, I'm not going to say that sometimes something real doesn't happen that prevents a girl from getting together with you, but consider those times the exception, not the rule.

A woman who actually has her shit together won't invest any time in a man she's not really interested in, because what does she gain from doing so?

What does a woman gain from giving her number out to a guy she doesn't really want to talk to?

What does a woman gain from making plans with a guy she knows she's going to cancel on?

Stop that bullshit of "well girls just want to be nice". That's the antithesis of nice behavior.

How is it nice to give someone your phone number and then send his call to voicemail whenever he calls and ignore his texts?

How is it nice to have a guy sitting anxiously at a bar expecting you to show up, only to text him, "Hey sorry, my cat Jingles needed a bath, can't make it"?

Women like that are fucking losers, accept it. You're devoting precious energy to them, and you're going to get nothing out of it.

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Brilliant Jariel. I never considered this. But you really just changed my view on flakey chicks. They're literally losers. Holy shit.

Now read this entire thing, but instead of loser women, swap in men and ask yourself if you're a loser guy. Food for thought.

Post: #7

Excellent stuff. Problem is most women bring very little value to the table other than the pussy.

I was out on the boat the other day fishing. And talking with another married friend and we talked about ever getting married a second time. And I asked him why would you ever get married what does a women bring to you other than pussy? Your not going to have kids. You bring everything what does a woman bring?

I am not saying they cannot bring anything to a relationship. But they rarely do.

On the job thing. Someone once told me. The only thing anyone really cares about you is what value you bring to them. So true.

Post: #8

(04-07-2015 05:38 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  You bring everything what does a woman bring?

I am not saying they cannot bring anything to a relationship. But they rarely do.

On the job thing. Someone once told me. The only thing anyone really cares about you is what value you bring to them. So true.

When it's good, it's better than being single.
When it's boring, you deal with it.
When it's bad, it's worse then your worst moments of being single.

I can't really sell folks on LTR's, especially when I haven't sold myself on em, but there's something real nice to hear a sweet voice call out your name.

WIA

Post: #9

(04-07-2015 06:20 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 05:38 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  You bring everything what does a woman bring?

I am not saying they cannot bring anything to a relationship. But they rarely do.

On the job thing. Someone once told me. The only thing anyone really cares about you is what value you bring to them. So true.

When it's good, it's better than being single.
When it's boring, you deal with it.
When it's bad, it's worse then your worst moments of being single.

I can't really sell folks on LTR's, especially when I haven't sold myself on em, but there's something real nice to hear a sweet voice call out your name.

WIA

Yes but the truth speaks for itself: a good woman is great. The problem is that they are in short supply and the competition for them is fierce. Which is why, for the vast majority of men, they should learn to be happy without women. It is far more practical and leads to greater life satisfaction.

Ironically, the only people I meet who are happy without women are the men who have had plenty of women. I suppose a necessary condition of being a happy single man is to experience the opposite so they can understand themselves better. This logically means that most men will die unhappy since most men will never be successful with women.

Post: #10

(04-07-2015 06:20 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 05:38 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  You bring everything what does a woman bring?

I am not saying they cannot bring anything to a relationship. But they rarely do.

On the job thing. Someone once told me. The only thing anyone really cares about you is what value you bring to them. So true.

When it's good, it's better than being single.
When it's boring, you deal with it.
When it's bad, it's worse then your worst moments of being single.

I can't really sell folks on LTR's, especially when I haven't sold myself on em, but there's something real nice to hear a sweet voice call out your name.

WIA

This is the raw and transparent truth WIA. When single the worst you can be is lonely. When in a relationship the worst you can be is positively miserable. Higher highs and lower lows, but such is the life when you gamble. All the talk on here of LTR game, training bitches, deep conversion, etc. it's all mostly speculative tricks to try and hit big at the casino.

This comes down to the fundamentals of monogamy in general. It's a gamble every man plays in their life. Staying single is playing it safe - never allowing anyone to get close enough to hurt you. Relationships are rolling the dice constantly - you invest and hope it pays in dividends, or at least break even and have some memories to look back on fondly.

Post: #11

This is some good stuff but wonder what you mean by women bring little value? I'm asking because I always see this saying toss around but what does it actually mean. Are you saying my time is way too valuable as a man to invest in this girl long term other than a fuck or really expecting a female to bring something other than sex to the table.

Post: #12

What I mean by this is most of the time I am bringing everything to the table. Ask yourself what is valuable to you. Of course we know the pussy is way up there but what else? Intelligence, career, learning experiences,money,prestige, interesting people that stimulate you, fun adventures, cool stuff, philosophical conversations, enlightenment, happiness, etc.? Does a woman help you or enhance any of these things?

So look at the last 10 chicks you were with and tell me honestly what did they bring? We know you are with them for the possibility of getting the pussy. But What else?

I am not saying a woman can bring nothing but they rarely do. I know there is no such thing as having a woman as a friend purely platonic-ally because I have a couple of female friends and I know they are using me and I am always thinking about fucking them. But I cannot try to fuck them because of other issues that could get me in trouble, and besides I spend very little time with them. But at the end of the day we all use each other for something, some value.

So what has a woman brought to you? I know what I bring to a woman when I am trying to get them. I bring charm, humor, my looks, my prestige, my position in society, interesting stories and my experience, my money or at least my ability to make money which is the possibility that she may get access to it. That is a whole lot of value my friend. And what did she bring again? Pussy, her hot looks, maybe a cute little banter conversation, possibly she looks good enough to help you game other women pre-selection, all the while she is acting like she is just as valuable and as important as me. But usually it is just the pussy. Like Patrice Oneal used to say, "I'm better than you bitch!!!", and she would not want to be with me if I was not better than her. Why am I better than her? Because I have all of this value. (now if I could just internalize this belief within myself I would be light years ahead lol)

And this goes to what Jariel said above, what is a fake dime anyway. A hot chick that is acting like she is something special when she really brings no true value to a relationship.

So kind of goes to the issue of quality vs quantity can you find a chick that brings some other value to you? Thats what I eventually want to get to. Keep working on myself and my ability to spot them and get them, while having some fun fucking them along the way and developing myself. Maybe one day I will find one that can bring me real value.

Post: #13

Think of the people in your life and what value they bring. Also think of what you care about and what tools you need to get those.

The desirable things women offer that you basically can't get from yourself or your friends are essentially physical intimacy (sex, affection, etc.), and caretaking. Someone to be physical with and someone to be there for you in ways platonic friends can't be asked/expected to.

Thats the long and short of it.

Post: #14

(04-09-2015 03:02 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Think of the people in your life and what value they bring. Also think of what you care about and what tools you need to get those.

The desirable things women offer that you basically can't get from yourself or your friends are essentially physical intimacy (sex, affection, etc.), and caretaking. Someone to be physical with and someone to be there for you in ways platonic friends can't be asked/expected to.

Thats the long and short of it.

I could not agree more. But very difficult to find. I used to tell my children when they were young. "If you want a friend then be a friend" and someone will float to the top.

Not so easy with women.

Post: #15

I am guilty of letting chicks do crazy shit then nexting them.

I too need to incorporate more G into my game. Nice write up Jariel and WIA

Post: #16

Tell you a story that I thinks illustrates some value and how the lack of it is often not even missed. Per "zero's" question.

I saw this video interview and it was between two Ukrainian women both very attractive, both married to American men that were way below them in looks and alphanes (is this a word lol?), on chick was about 12 years younger than her man and the other was about 23 years younger, and both women appeared to be very happy. That was basically part of what the interview was about. Remember that Ukrainian women are valued for more than their beauty, for their values, their femininity and their treatment of their men.

So one Ukrainian chick tells the other about culture shock coming to America. One day she is riding in the car to go to the store and on the sidewalk in her new fancy American neighborhood is this really well built big muscled up dude in shorts and T shirt, and he is walking this tiny little dog probably to take the dog out for a shit.

And the Ukrainian chick is shocked. She says "how can a woman let her husband out of the house with that little dog like that, how disrespectful is that. I would never let my man do that, it would be degrading." And she is right it is. If I would have seen this I would have just laughed at the incongruity of it and moved on. But she was right.

There was so much more going on here. She knew it was wrong on many different levels. She knew that while it may have given the American woman the upper hand for this moment, it hurt her American man, and hurt the relationship. It not only did not give value, it actually took value away from her man. And this is why the Ukrainian chick was light years ahead of the American women that sent him out in street with that little fucking rat of a dog. And the Ukrainian chick's concern for her man, and believing in him as a man, and supporting that is to me tremendous value. It is an intangible thing, and emotional thing, on a very different level.

While were all comfortable in the middle of our modern western society would not even think twice about it. And if we do not even notice it we are already half gone.

Post: #17

(04-09-2015 03:02 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Think of the people in your life and what value they bring. Also think of what you care about and what tools you need to get those.

The desirable things women offer that you basically can't get from yourself or your friends are essentially physical intimacy (sex, affection, etc.), and caretaking. Someone to be physical with and someone to be there for you in ways platonic friends can't be asked/expected to.

Thats the long and short of it.

Absolutely excellent post.

Post: #18

I pretty much know within 30 seconds if a chick is a loser/gone, a one & done, a FB or something more.

And I've found very, very few chicks that add anything to my life outside of fuck & suck.

Post: #19

(04-06-2015 05:43 AM)jariel Wrote:  

Fake Dimes = Loser Females

However, she's also a loser because at this point of her life, she's accomplished nothing, and she doesn't bring any value to another person's life. She's undereducated, unintelligent, gullible, unable to keep a man, and now proven to be unable to keep a job -- this isn't the first time she's had to break the news to her brother that she was fired from a job.

Ha, at least she attempted at trying to have some sort of a job. Once you get to know then, most dimes are losers. No secret that they have the immaturity of teenage girls and have no clue what emotional maturity means since they've been basically been given everything for free - emotionally and physically and have never had to work for anything. Once the shine fades and you aren't in it for the P any more you develop this disdain for what you see in front of you. You see normal 6-7s going to work normal jobs and begin to have more 'respect' for them.

Tangentially-related is a good perspective on dating a particular kind of dime. This has been shared on the forum before: http://www.quora.com/What-is-it-like-to-...hion-model

Post: #20

Real talk: A minor quibble - a dime is a dime, period. A woman's value is 90 percent looks. You'll always have to maintain frame and train a bitch, some more than others. You're giving women too much credit. There is no "real dime" or "fake dime." They're all just women, "the most responsible teenager in the room."

Post: #21

(04-14-2015 03:48 AM)MMM Wrote:  Real talk: A minor quibble - a dime is a dime, period. A woman's value is 90 percent looks. You'll always have to maintain frame and train a bitch, some more than others. You're giving women too much credit. There is no "real dime" or "fake dime." They're all just women, "the most responsible teenager in the room."

I don't find anything in your statement to be credible.

According to you, all these dimes with all this value because of their looks and yet most can't land a high-value man, and even the few who can rarely are able to lock one down, maybe it's because their looks aren't as valuable as you believe.

I've been with a number of this type of woman; fake dimes get pedastalized by those who can't get them, because they're too caught up in how physically attractive they are, while men who can get them, like myself, peel back the layers and see them for who they really are -- on top of the fact that they have options with other attractive women as well so you have to look for other things to separate one from another.

When a man gets to that level and has some real experience with these women, he'll find out that he can't see a dime.

Post: #22

I don't understand why you want to spend your time to study this chick. you clearly have something against her.

Are you trying to say 'hey hot women are dangerous?' there are plenty of ugly chicks with bad qualities. Hot chicks do stand out because they are hot.

Anyways, I think she will do just fine with her above average looks. My point is, why do you want to care about those things.