Post: #1

Guys, many of us have traveled abroad, had the time of our lives with beautiful, feminine women, then returned to the trenches of the American (or other country) sexual marketplace. Here's a few examples of posts and threads that illustrate what I'm talking about, but there are hundreds more scattered within the forum:

(04-21-2015 05:04 AM)loki Wrote:  I have been depressed ever since i got back from Manila, went out Friday night on a bender and couldn't even be bothered talking to local Aussie women.

(04-21-2015 07:18 AM)worldtraveller85 Wrote:  I know that feeling

(08-24-2011 01:39 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  I too get depressed just as soon as I arrive to the airport here. The blubber here is unmatched. I get a kick out of hearing that she's "thick".

(08-24-2011 01:08 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  This is typical "let down" syndrome when you come back to America.

I feel it everytime.

(06-29-2013 04:16 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I get depressed after one day in Eastern Europe having to return to Germany for work I can only imagine how any stay in this place more than one week can spoil one completely.With the real thing on the border side the life seems completely empty.

(06-29-2013 08:31 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  After spending almost a year in South America, American girls repulse me. Not only just when it comes to hooking up or dating, but work and just going out and having to listen to them. Seriously, I want to give away a good 10 bitch slaps daily to these self entitled hos. Now I'm stuck in middle America, and need to get the fuck out.

(06-29-2013 09:30 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  As someone said..returning back to the US after multiple trips abroad gets easier in a sense, but it also gets worse in a sense too. I remember getting sick the days I returned home from Brazil two weeks ago as I physically missed the presence of beautiful Brazilian women everywhere that spoke no English, lol.

(06-29-2013 09:40 PM)Hammer Wrote:  Yea I'd get depressed too, I have actually but on my return from shorter trip. You come back thinking "I can make the best of it, what with what I've learned and what I have to offer." Big mistake as you come back and realize it's just a shit sandwich that you'll be getting when you get to the states.

(06-29-2013 11:48 PM)UnW Wrote:  Agree, I haven't been to South America before but have been to the other two regions. I just got back from EE and now the western girls in my country just don't seem worth it.

(06-30-2013 12:12 AM)Fisto Wrote:  There are worse things than going back to Vegas but even that seems like a drag.

Met up with Sp5 and CrisGambi last night and before we all got too smashed I remember saying "we can't go back".

(06-30-2013 11:21 AM)pegador Wrote:  I know how you feel...same thing happens after multiple trips. It's not so much just the girls but more the predictability and how boring life starts to get after returning.

(05-12-2012 09:19 AM)beta_plus Wrote:  Roosh is absolutely right about the depression of returning from countries with genuinely feminine women. Even though I was only in Istanbul and Sarajevo, just getting off my flight to change planes in Amsterdam to go back to DC was a shock. The decline in quality of women was extremely noticeable even among Dutch women. Many of them are overweight despite an apparent no-fatty policy by KLM, and you get a real impression that they just don't like most men very much beyond a few alphas. Also, women in the Balkans are simply better looking on average, even if the women in Holland lost weight and dressed better.

(02-29-2012 02:50 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  I remember the first time I spend a long time overseas, was in Australia for almost a year. Convinced myself I was happy to be going back, but got back to UK and quickly realised it was a big pile of shit. Been a nomad ever since

Roosh's case is especially severe:

(06-29-2013 04:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I get depressed when I see an American girl while in Eastern Europe.

And some threads exploring this affliction:

Depressed in Los Angeles After a 3 Month Trip to Eastern Europe

Depression on leaving Balkans - Roosh isn't exagerating

Going home after long time abroad

All right guys, we've got to name this scourge.

I too am afflicted with this.

This affliction, caused by the knowledge that there is something better out there, leading to an unwillingness to continue previous gaming habits upon an RVF member's return from abroad, is a recurring theme on the forum. The main symptom of this affliction is a difficulty mustering the will required to go after women from the home country, where exponentially more effort is required in pursuit of exponentially less reward.

It's time to give this affliction a name, guys.

There's a similar affliction, called Post-Vacation Blues, but it's not quite the same, as the effect is temporary, and not life-changing: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-vacation_blues

Perhaps something like PSAD (Post Sensual Adventures Abroad Disorder).

Any other suggestions, guys (tongue in cheek)?

Post: #2

Focusing solely on money, business, and or other career matters while back "home" helps. Just have tunnel vision focus it helps ease out the other time wasting distractions and nonsense.

When I visit the U.S. I plan out the schedule in order to spend the minimal amount of time there and with productive activities.

If you're stuck the only and most obvious solution really is to go abroad again.

Post: #3

That Summer Camp feel. I know it well.

Post: #4

Post: #5

(04-21-2015 11:33 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Focusing solely on money, business, and or other career matters while back "home" helps. Just have tunnel vision focus it helps ease out the other time wasting distractions and nonsense.

When I visit the U.S. I plan out the schedule in order to spend the minimal amount of time there and with productive activities.

If you're stuck the only and most obvious solution really is to go abroad again.

Good stuff.

I quit a job I had over a year ago, moved to the Philippines, lived there for 4 months, came back to the states, and haven't applied for a job since. I spend my time relaxing, enjoying Austin, and studying.

I'm just not interested in a job anymore unless it's on my terms.

I'm learning web development so as to open up the possibility of working remotely, to raise more capital for various investments, to launch several startups so as to level up in America, and last but not least, to develop a love for a craft.

Taking the plunge can change your life's trajectory.

The truth is out there.

Post: #6

Reverse culture shock is what it's called. I've been just as defeated by it as the next guy, but I think it's largely an illusion and something to be overcome as you age, especially if you plan to have a somewhat mobile lifestyle for most of your life.

If anything we ought to brainstorm ways to weaken the grip of the illusion, much as we use time-tested tactics to fend off jet lag. It's a serious issue that often leads to depression.

In the long run, not recognizing it for what it is can lead to real life dissatisfaction as you come to the realization that no other place will create a complete happiness either.

Learning to be satisfied everywhere is more practical, more effective, and more realistic. It doesn't negate the rewards of travel but it allows you to enjoy them from a more mature, more manageable perspective.

As world travelers we spend a lot of time chasing romanticized ideas, but like with anything you do, as you become a more experienced traveler you have to move beyond and find ways to embrace the less exciting realities of your pastime and learn to appreciate it, and life, on a more complex level.

This attitude should be and often is extended to home, which is why, I believe, many nomads end up settling down back in their old stomping grounds (or somewhere much like it) as they age.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #7

It's funny really.

Been living in Eastern Europe for 4 years now. Seldom do I return to the West now. I am actually planning to start studying in Kiev, so I rather move further East.

Of course it's possible to find hotties in the West, but the sheer lack of them is discouraging in the beginning.

That's why I still stay in places where the buildings are more shitty, but the girls are more pretty.

Post: #8

(04-22-2015 12:11 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  It's funny really.

Been living in Eastern Europe for 4 years now. Seldom do I return to the West now. I am actually planning to start studying in Kiev, so I rather move further East.

Of course it's possible to find hotties in the West, but the sheer lack of them is discouraging in the beginning.

That's why I still stay in places where the buildings are more shitty, but the girls are more pretty.

And it's hard to explain to someone that hasn't been abroad.

it's hard to convince them that there's something better out there worth the effort when they're content banging single moms, warpigs, and tattooed skrillex girls with STD's on the nights they get "lucky."

To that, I say:

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

They look at you like if you're crazy.

Like if you have some kind of...

Affliction.

PSAD

I can already see the commercial for PSAD:

It starts off with a good looking man walking confidently through amber waves of grain.

He's holding hands with a petite foreign beauty.

The camera zooms out, then cuts to the image of that same man sleeping in bed with a giant object underneath the sheets to the right of him.

Empty bottles of liquor and shot glasses are scattered about the room.

There's a slight movement from the giant object, then the sounds of powerful flatulence burst forth.

The man awakens, he looks around, realizes the amber waves were just a dream, his subconscious mind was reminiscing about his time abroad, but now he's back in America.

He screams.

The narrator comes on:

"Do you suffer from PSAD?"

Then they'll prescribe the antidepressants and list the side effects.

It's coming.

They'd medicate the whole RVF if they could.

Post: #9

The only thing I can do to address this syndrome is to make serious fucking bank and then get the hell out of here. I figure 10 million is enough to retire on for good. So that what I am focused on, building my business up to the point where i can sell it and walk with 10M clear, and move to SEA for good and find me some nice women to share my bed with.

Post: #10

I am healthy, happy, and sober now.

That said, I have had a fair amount of decidedly unpleasant experience in the past with clinical depression, reverse culture shock, and addiction issues.

In the past, I spent endless hours analyzing my situation and myself, as if there were some great mystery to be solved. That I needed to travel to a certain special destination or meet someone or realize something. There isn't. Such an approach is pointless, and is best described as mental masturbation.

If your feeling of well being and control is far enough outside of a normal range that you are experiencing depression, depression like symptoms/anxiety issues, or are taking a plunge towards addiction to numb your reality, it is almost always because you are neglecting yourself.

Nourish your body and your mind. If you spend at least one hour a day taking care of your body (exercise, weight lifting), and at least one hour a day taking care of your mind (reading, studying a language, etc), and are not abusing drugs or alcohol, and eat right, I personally guarantee you will never experience depression or feel like you aren't where you should be and are trapped. You may be happy, you may be sad, but your emotions will fall within a normal range that does not impede functioning or lead to rash decisions. You will be in control.

Post: #11

I have been living in EE (10% Russia, 90% Belarus) for almost 4 years now and I would better cut into pieces and fed to dogs then return home.

Post: #12

(04-22-2015 05:23 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  I am healthy, happy, and sober now.

That said, I have had a fair amount of decidedly unpleasant experience in the past with clinical depression, reverse culture shock, and addiction issues.

In the past, I spent endless hours analyzing my situation and myself, as if there were some great mystery to be solved. That I needed to travel to a certain special destination or meet someone or realize something. There isn't. Such an approach is pointless, and is best described as mental masturbation.

If your feeling of well being and control is far enough outside of a normal range that you are experiencing depression, depression like symptoms/anxiety issues, or are taking a plunge towards addiction to numb your reality, it is almost always because you are neglecting yourself.

Nourish your body and your mind. If you spend at least one hour a day taking care of your body (exercise, weight lifting), and at least one hour a day taking care of your mind (reading, studying a language, etc), and are not abusing drugs or alcohol, and eat right, I personally guarantee you will never experience depression or feel like you aren't where you should be and are trapped. You may be happy, you may be sad, but your emotions will fall within a normal range that does not impede functioning or lead to rash decisions. You will be in control.

Congrats. Based on my experiences and what I have taken from my studies of orthomolecular MDs, then a sizable 5-10% of the population need more vitamin D3 (or sunlight) AND some more l-tryptophan or 5-HTP in order to feel constantly positive. I remember that even I who did not struggle with depression much completely eliminated even down-times by my regimen of orthomolecular high-dosage multis. Sometimes I take some 500mg of l-tryptophan if I feel bad.

But I have friends and family who require a daily input of at least 500mg l-tryptophan or the more advanced formula of 5-HTP (hydroxytroptophan) at lower doses of 100mg. You can take it without side-effects for life.

With severe bouts of depression that dose can be raised to 1000-2000mg of tryptophan. It has been proven to be x-times more effective than any anti-depressant and works within days even for severe depressions (in combination with vitamin d3 5000IU and high-potency multi), but of course due to our medical system being the way it is you won't get it mentioned by the FDA except in a negative way. It was banned for some time in the US before they only a couple of years ago lifted the ban since the "dangers" have been proven unfounded.

In any case - my tip is to try it out. I have some family members who say they feel better when taking it every day. Many bodybuilders take almost those doses anyway, because it's included in the mixed amino acid groups. Your body breaks down tryptophan anyway into serotonin and that's why it works.

http://www.doctoryourself.com/depression.html
http://science.naturalnews.com/Google-Se...&sa=Search

Post: #13

^^^

Zelcorpion, we definitely have some areas of overlap in some of our views. However, your interest in alternative/homeopathic/orthomolecular medicine is not one of them.

For people in far Northern or Southern climes, a vitamin D deficiency may indeed be something that needs to be corrected by a supplement.

For the vast majority of people though, they are far better off doing without medications or supplements when it comes to regulating their mood and health.

There is no substitute for nature. Eat a balanced diet with plenty of fruits, vegetables, and greens, exercise, spend time outside, and take care of your mind...that is all that is needed to function optimally.

Post: #14

(04-21-2015 11:33 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Focusing solely on money, business, and or other career matters while back "home" helps. Just have tunnel vision focus it helps ease out the other time wasting distractions and nonsense.

When I visit the U.S. I plan out the schedule in order to spend the minimal amount of time there and with productive activities.

This is exactly what I did in between trips to China, until I was able to permanently settle in Beijing a year ago.

I don't want to knock the US too badly. And the city I lived in (Grand Rapids) wasn't horrible, but being a poor student who relied on buses to get around and sometimes even shared a bedroom with one or more roommates, I didn't have the logistics to take full advantage of the experience.

I still had girls, but my level of achievement in this area was way below what it would be in China with the same effort.

Usually, I'd just lock down a regular and then try to finish off each semester as painlessly as possible.



China isn't always awesome, but having chosen to live here, even when things are not their best, I feel good anyway, because I wanted to be here, so I simply decide to have a good attitude about it no matter what happens.

Post: #15

(04-22-2015 08:33 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  ^^^

For the vast majority of people though, they are far better off doing without medications or supplements when it comes to regulating their mood and health.

There is no substitute for nature. Eat a balanced diet with plenty of fruits, vegetables, and greens, exercise, spend time outside, and take care of your mind...that is all that is needed to function optimally.

No problem. I am only doing orthomolecular medicine and some herbal one. And I don't discard modern medicine completely of course like some nutter.

I agree that diet is the basis and if you can manage it with diet alone all the better - plenty of tryptophan rich food out there.

In the past they used to treat most depressions up until the 1960s in US clinics just with that - good food, rest, nature, sunshine - even some cases of schizophrenia reacted to that.

But there is no such treatment for the FATTENING and deliberate UGLIFICATION in the West - to stay on topic here.

Post: #16

There is no doubt that travel is awesome and PSAD is a real phenomena. Usually when I come home from a big trip the adjustment is rough. However, the grass seems greener on the other side. For every downside to the USA there is a different downside abroad. For example, the incessant commercialism in the U.S.A. really grates on me. However, I remember when living in Portugal just how inefficient and bureaucratic the systems were.

Its harder to get over the fact that American women tend to be annoying, spoiled, bitchy and self-centered pigs. I prefer the women in 37/38 countries I have been to over Americans (exception: England). A few weeks ago my Spanish woman was visiting and she could not believe how idiotic American women are. In spite of her thick accent, she could do a hysterically funny imitation of their loud, screechy, over exaggerated speech.

In spite of how sucky American women are however, I find the best way to get over post trip depression is by banging a few relatively nice, sexy American women. When you're inside of a 7, annoying becomes a little less relevant.

Post: #17

(04-22-2015 11:13 PM)Robert Plant Wrote:  There is no doubt that travel is awesome and PSAD is a real phenomena. Usually when I come home from a big trip the adjustment is rough. However, the grass seems greener on the other side. For every downside to the USA there is a different downside abroad. For example, the incessant commercialism in the U.S.A. really grates on me. However, I remember when living in Portugal just how inefficient and bureaucratic the systems were.

Its harder to get over the fact that American women tend to be annoying, spoiled, bitchy and self-centered pigs. I prefer the women in 37/38 countries I have been to over Americans (exception: England). A few weeks ago my Spanish woman was visiting and she could not believe how idiotic American women are. In spite of her thick accent, she could do a hysterically funny imitation of their loud, screechy, over exaggerated speech.

In spite of how sucky American women are however, I find the best way to get over post trip depression is by banging a few relatively nice, sexy American women. When you're inside of a 7, annoying becomes a little less relevant.

I'm English and currently living here and you're certainly not wrong about the women here. They seem to be in every way similar to Ameriskanks - obnoxiously entitled, overweight, narcissistic, stuck-up, egocentric, utterly shallow and highly materialistic.

I want to break free ...

Post: #18

I always try to have a holiday pre-booked when coming home from abroad (either from extended stays or just vacations). If you've got another trip away booked in the next couple months, even if its just for an extended weekend, I find it really softens the PSAD upon arriving home. Its a form of tapering off the foreign adventures addiction, I guess.

Post: #19

I got hit with PSAD when I hit the ground back home (belgium) I was in brazil for two weeks but the city that touched me the most was sao paulo. I love that city and I really didn't want to leave, it still comes and goes when I check youtube for traveling videos wishing I was there.

I wasn't made to stay at one place but my gf want the security from back in the day: a job,white picked fence,house,kids and a dog.

And I want to travel the world, see what else there is to explore. She is so happy with her 9-5 and that 9-5 is killing me.

If it weren't for her I would be long gone!

Post: #20

PSAD is real men. I'm suffering right now, 3 weeks removed from EE. Some of my American regulars were excited to see me when I got back as my travels were exciting to them. The drop off in quality is horrible and I'm ashamed of the quality I have become accustomed to. I'm currently in full time research mode trying to use my GI Bill for grad school in Moscow. The US GOVT funding my adventure would be a nice gift for my sandbox time. I am making progress on applying to schools and it is soothing the depression as my life has been just as Spaniard88's commercial indicates.

Post: #21

I can attest to how heart-breakingly real this is. Coming back here is a gigantic slap in the face.

I'm making an effort to keep myself occupied with business projects that will eventually lead to Location independence, and to not consume too much alcohol.

Post: #22

(04-22-2015 05:09 AM)loki Wrote:  The only thing I can do to address this syndrome is to make serious fucking bank and then get the hell out of here. I figure 10 million is enough to retire on for good. So that what I am focused on, building my business up to the point where i can sell it and walk with 10M clear, and move to SEA for good and find me some nice women to share my bed with.

That's what keeps guys here.

It is what has kept me here.

Met a dude last month from Moscow. Traveled for 3 years straight. His money ran out a long time ago. He just did work where ever he was. Hit almost every continent.

I still couldn't wrap my head around it.

What did I do for the last 3 years?

Stare at a screen.
Yell at people to pay my clients.
Grown more despondent about life in general.

And I'm barely just getting back to my 6 figure lifestyle, much less 10 million.

It's like the last 3 years didn't even matter.

WIA

Post: #23

(04-26-2015 06:15 AM)gseppe Wrote:  I got hit with PSAD when I hit the ground back home (belgium) I was in brazil for two weeks but the city that touched me the most was sao paulo. I love that city and I really didn't want to leave, it still comes and goes when I check youtube for traveling videos wishing I was there.

I wasn't made to stay at one place but my gf want the security from back in the day: a job,white picked fence,house,kids and a dog.

And I want to travel the world, see what else there is to explore. She is so happy with her 9-5 and that 9-5 is killing me.

If it weren't for her I would be long gone!

I think you know what you need to do, brah...

Post: #24

I understand the feeling 100% But I actually haven't been home (Australia) since I left 4 years ago. But I'm horrified every time I talk to my mates and they show me pictures of the women they are banging. Also it sounds like the prices of everything has doubled.

Even when they are like "awwhh check out this unicorn I found on Tinder" (we have a group chat going on Whatsapp).
And all I can think is that that's what about 60% of the women are like on Tinder over here.

Post: #25

I did a huge trip this last summer. After spending 3 weeks in Europe with my girl there, I headed to SE Asia for 5 weeks. I ended up with 10 new amazing notches, 5 of which were sort of mini relationships. When I got back home, my European girl was waiting for me and spent a month here. She left like a week ago.

This weekend I got together with a hot, 26 year old prospect I had met right before I left. She was nice and sexy but my game was off. It was almost like I didn't want her enough. I got her naked in my bed but didn't end up fucking her. I was a bit drunk and fell asleep. WTF!?! I woke up the next day with massive regret. I let a hot woman over 15 years younger than me get away; but something about American women just isn't doing it for me.

Tonight I went out by myself and man was it depressing. I pulled up to a bar next to 2 mediocre women. They opened me. My demeanor was cool and fun but they ended up ignoring me after talking for like 4 minutes. All I can think is that they wanted someone to buy them drinks and saw I wasn't going to. I checked a few other places afterwards and there were 0 prospects. Yikes.

I want to get back to SE Asia ASAP. I would also gladly take Europe as a consolation prize. I guess in the meantime I'll go back to gaming (I mean really having to play silly mind games) with shallow American lizards.