Post: #1

In 3 weeks my past 3 pulls have all put up massive LMR. I smashed only 1 of them and that was after an entire night of trying. The other two flatly denied even with repeated attempts, however they put up almost no resistance wrt to me coming back to their places and getting into bed with them.

Normally I consider pushing through LMR to be one of my strong suits, so I'm somewhat confused and trying to diagnose the problem.

Other Info: Up until this point many of my lays had come from online game, to date, to bang. These past three have all come from cold approach night game.

I hadn't made out with any of them prior to taking them home.

All girls in the 7-8 looks range. And all were far more conservative than what I usually attract.

My only thought is that weak/mediocre game screens out maybes and conservative girls and my game may have ticked up just enough so inherently I'm no longer screening as hard.

Thoughts?

Post: #2

push pull generally works.(start making out with them, pull back, say you are moving too fast etc then try again)

I may be getting a bit too much of a routine, but I generally pick them up after making out on the couch and say 'don't freak out, i am picking you up now" and keep escalating on my bed.

I get some resistence a lot of the time when I say "I am taking your panties off now" after getting the rest of their clothes off.

I stole a lot of this from mike_cf, it in general works great.

Some girls just take a couple of dates. All three of these girls liked you enough to bring you home and into their beds, but only one had sex with you. You may just need more comfort, they were attracted to you clearly, but you hit a road block at the finish line. you need to satisfy their hamster, make them feel special like they are not just in the middle of a long line of women who fucked you, even if they are

Post: #3

(05-17-2015 10:31 PM)eradicator Wrote:  push pull generally works.(start making out with them, pull back, say you are moving too fast etc then try again)

This works like a charm and it can even get a girl to demand sex if executed perfectly. Another trick I learned from somewhere (can't remember) is that if she is showing LMR when trying to touch her pussy, you can kiss her and slowly hold her hand and move it towards her pussy and rub it. You will rarely get a resistance here since its her hand doing all the work, you're just leading it and it would remove some of the tension.

Post: #4

(05-17-2015 10:31 PM)eradicator Wrote:  push pull generally works.(start making out with them, pull back, say you are moving too fast etc then try again)

Yea I feel like I got that stuff down pretty well and have used it effectively in the past. But recently none of these three girls would even make out with me. There was almost no resistance whatsoever right up until that point.

I'm thinking by not escalating earlier on they thought they were "safe" which is why they may have come back so easily. But if I can't get a make out its hard to even get them turned on and do the push pull.

Maybe go back to making out and being aggressive in the club....

Post: #5

Are you getting into their bed using the cuddling excuse? Sometimes there are women who just want to cuddle, but like 95% of the time it turns into the bang even if they proclaim "ok but no sex" before cuddling. Its pretty bizarre getting into their bed but not completing the deal. Mystery has some good stuff on LMR, its covered in some of his dvds on YT. If all else fails go 50 shades of gray on them. If that fails go to sleep, maybe in the morning she will change her mind. Its not worth changing what ever you are doing because 2 chicks go against the percentages.

Post: #6

(05-20-2015 10:34 PM)barnbarn2k Wrote:  Are you getting into their bed using the cuddling excuse? Sometimes there are women who just want to cuddle, but like 95% of the time it turns into the bang even if they proclaim "ok but no sex" before cuddling. Its pretty bizarre getting into their bed but not completing the deal. Mystery has some good stuff on LMR, its covered in some of his dvds on YT. If all else fails go 50 shades of gray on them. If that fails go to sleep, maybe in the morning she will change her mind. Its not worth changing what ever you are doing because 2 chicks go against the percentages.

I don't really give excuses. Here is a typical exchange.

Her: Well I have a couch in the living room....
Me: No I'm sleeping in your bed
Her: Oh (surprised pause).... okay.

or

Her: Well you can't sleep in MY bed
Me: No I'm sleeping in your bed.
Her: Oh are you?
Me: Yea
Her: Haha omg.

Or some very similar iteration of that.

It's funny you mention the "just go to sleep thing" because this has worked twice for me in the past.

Another thing I'm considering is giving massages, which I never do. I feel like this is so obvious I forget about it.

What do you mean go 50 shades of grey on them?

Post: #7

some women like it when a guy takes control and pushes the limits a little. thats all im saying.