Post: #1

The breaking of the walls between masculine and feminine roles and stereotypes continue.

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/the-baby...15612.html

Quote:Gender-neutral baby names are racing up the list of popular monikers so far this year as, experts say, more parents are looking to break boy/girl stereotypes.

Move over, Noah. You too, Emma. Though these monikers topped the Social Security list of most popular boy and girl names last year, 2015 is all about the rising popularity of unisex baby names, according to a new survey from BabyCenter.

Declaring this “the year of the gender-neutral baby,” BabyCenter reveals that names being used for both boys and girls are on the rise among the nearly 185,000 baby monikers registered at the site, compared with 2014. “Millennials are an open-minded and accepting group, and they don’t want their children to feel pressured to conform to stereotypes that might be restrictive,” Linda Murray, BabyCenter’s editor in chief, writes in a statement sharing the 10 names rising fastest in popularity for both genders.

Amari is the winner so far, with a 56 percent increase for girls and 22 percent for boys compared with last year. On her (and his) heels: Karter, more popular with girls; Phoenix, used most often still for boys; Quinn, Reese, River, Rory, Rowan, Sawyer, and Taylor.

“Many parents want to transcend the old-fashioned feminine or masculine roles and image with names that have not traditionally been used for either boys or girls but can be used for both sexes,” Nameberry’s Pamela Satran tells Yahoo Parenting. Calling out other hot goes-both-ways labels, such as Avery, Parker, Carson, Peyton, Jordan, and Emerson, Satran notes that the newly popular names are actually just a fresh iteration of an old trend.

“Gender-neutral names started to become popular in the 1960s with the new rise of feminism and liberal ideals,” explains the baby name guru. “Back then, you saw names like Jamie, Jody, and Terry used for both sexes. And in the 1980s, the first generation of working mothers and parents focused on professional equality picked upwardly mobile, gender-neutral names such as Courtney and Morgan, often for their daughters, while boys’ gender-neutral names went in the new ‘cowboy’ direction with Casey, Corey, and Jesse.” This 2015 version of the unisex name trend, she says, “has to do more with an ideal of transcending gender stereotypes for children of both sexes.”

What makes a moniker feminine or masculine, anyway? “A lot of people say that Madison and Addison, two extremely popular names mostly for girls, are actually boys’ names because they have the ‘son’ ending, which means ‘son of,’” the expert adds. “But are they boys’ names if they’re used over 95 percent of the time for girls?” Fun fact: Leslie, Kelly, and Shannon were once used primarily for boys.

“The older generation may be taken aback by gender-neutral names and think a name should announce the child’s gender,” says Satran. “But individuals college age or younger are more comfortable with the idea that gender is a fluid concept and that a name with an indistinct gender identity is more than fine — it’s preferable.”

So when parents choose a gender-neutral name for their child, they may do so to make a statement in support of such fluidity, much like refusing to dress their kids in pink or blue. But Satran cautions that kids “often strongly identify with hyper feminine or masculine roles and objects no matter what you do.” And she should know. “My daughter’s name is Rory, and I dressed her in denim overalls when she was little,” confesses Satran. “But she insisted on wearing them with red patent leather shoes and a tutu.”

I always found it weird how I knew a guy back in high school named Courtney. I'm thinking, his parents must've been first gen immigrants (he's Asian) and not well-versed in English names yet, so they named their son Courtney. But as stated, the saga to break down gender role walls continue, and we'll have a whole new generation of boys named Morgan, and girl's named Avery....

What struck me was the last bit by Satran, pretty much saying kids are bornw ith the gender identity matching their sex (usually), and those parents who INSIST on dressing their boys in pink and making him play Barbie are clearly messing him up, and vice versa with girls.

If I ever had a kid, I'd make sure to name him or her the most badass boy's name (imo) or the most feminine girl's name (again imo): Damien/Jason/Michael and Selena/Crystal/Emily

And relevant:

Post: #2

Carson, Emerson, Carter, those aren't names for girls

Post: #3

Courtney Vance (actor)
Leslie Groves (WW2 General)

Post: #4

Naming my kid Bob.

Post: #5

(06-22-2015 10:40 PM)CaracaoSteel Wrote:  Carson, Emerson, Carter, those aren't names for girls

They are if you're a porn actress. I Googled each name with the words "porn star" and all of 'em came up.

As for gender-neutral names, the Baby Boomers tried that and it was part of the set-up on the old show "Family Ties." The character with the genderless name of Alex grew up to be the most right wing, Nixon-loving, gender-traditional character in the history of television.

From what I remember, the producers based that on real life. I hope history repeats for the millennials doing this now.

Post: #6

Good warning article, we should start a list of manosphere-approved names.

Ultra-masculine names:
Lance. That's a big-ass spear you carry on a horse into battle.
Leonardo. Translates to "bold lion", it's short-hand 'Leo' still means "lion".
Eric. From Old Norse, approximate meaning "eternal ruler" or "autocrat". The feminine-form "Erica" doesn't truncate.
Adam. Obvious.
John, or anything with John as the root (Johan, Hans, etc). Approximate meaning "best buddies with God".

Ultra-feminine names:
Rose. Daisy. Petunia. Basically any kind of flower is acceptable.
Belle, or anything containing Belle. Means "beautiful".
Eve. Obvious.
Claire.
Julia/Juliet. Meaning "youthful".

Names with neutrality risk:
Alexander. May be associated with Alexander the Great, but can be truncated to 'Alex', which can be used for girls ('Alexis' etc).
Josephine & Joseph. Can be truncate to 'Jo', which is used by either.

Post: #7

I didn't read the full article because I'm sure it's written by an idiot who interviewed morons. I read the bolded parts, though - an invaluable quality of members posting articles on this forum.

What I did see was a "claiming" of gender neutral names. However, I didn't see a lot of championing the naming of boys Brittany or Kimberly or Megan. Instead, it was boys' names being given to girls. This is just another instance of something so seemingly simple and meaningless yet incapable of remaining masculine. The message is becoming clear, nothing can be associated with only maleness; save violence, aggression, savagery, perversion, corruption, and deception.

Post: #8

(06-23-2015 12:03 AM)OBERYN_ Wrote:  violence, aggression, savagery, perversion, corruption, and deception.

All fine suggestions for the list of manosphere-approved names.

Post: #9

I have long thought, even in my blue pill days, that the stupidity of women can be summed up by looking at the popularity of baby names. Every few years there is some movie star or rock star who comes out and makes a big splash and then goes into obscurity at the same speed or a new TV show or movie or song comes out that is super popular with women and in either case that name ends up topping the charts for baby names.

Just shows how women really are herd animals.

Post: #10

I've had the desire for something silly like this ever since I read it.

Post: #11

We need to keep a master list of modern "special snowflake" names.

Post: #12

http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instr...-name.html

Post: #13

At least this article suggests that women seem to have stopped naming all their daughters "Isabella" after that Twilight shit.

And how are we forgetting the most masculine name of all for a son? "Dick."

Post: #14

'Bruce' used to be associated with a masculine boys name, but we know how that ended up.

Post: #15

Anglosphere fuckery as usual. The most popular newborn boy name in England is an infamous prophet from the Middle East.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/...e-muhammad

Post: #16

(06-23-2015 12:09 AM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:03 AM)OBERYN_ Wrote:  violence, aggression, savagery, perversion, corruption, and deception.

All fine suggestions for the list of manosphere-approved names.

If I could pick my first name it would be Wolfgang. Gangs and wolves are badass.

Post: #17

(06-23-2015 04:37 AM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  Anglosphere fuckery as usual. The most popular newborn boy name in England is an infamous prophet from the Middle East.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/...e-muhammad

They're probably the only ones procreating in England heh heh... Bless the system.

Post: #18

My kids will either be George or Valerie. Try to gender neutralize that shit.

Post: #19

Don't start about the names people give nowadays to their newborns. George Carlin had a good video about Americans and their stupid names, well here in the Netherlands it's not better.

I have a nephew called "Ferron", "Dylan" (ok that still can work out) and one called "Finn".

Black people have even more stupid names nowadays, where they used to give very white names to their children.

Stupid names, I don't get why parents are so shortsighted. Sure a baby named Jack doesn't sound sweet. But he surely will get more respect in his professional life.

Post: #20

They forget the most genderfluid neutral name of all- call the baby Caitlyn. . . .

Post: #21

So the goal is for us to be an entire society of "Pat"s? Good grief. No wonder SNL isn't funny any more. How do you skewer anything when real life is so absurd?

Post: #22

My kid is getting a super masculine name, something like Brock or Titus.

Post: #23

Socially over-sensitive parents foisting their insecurities on their unsuspecting offspring, in their ovine desperation to be perceived as "unique."

Stick to family names — or those you are proud enough/have earned the right to carry the name.

(My dad had an uncle Allison — kid who dropped out of 11th grade to fight in WWI — was gassed and died by age 32 — am sure he's spinning in his grave right now.)

Post: #24

Obligatory post:

Post: #25

(06-23-2015 12:03 AM)OBERYN_ Wrote:  I didn't read the full article because I'm sure it's written by an idiot who interviewed morons. I read the bolded parts, though - an invaluable quality of members posting articles on this forum.

What I did see was a "claiming" of gender neutral names. However, I didn't see a lot of championing the naming of boys Brittany or Kimberly or Megan. Instead, it was boys' names being given to girls. This is just another instance of something so seemingly simple and meaningless yet incapable of remaining masculine. The message is becoming clear, nothing can be associated with only maleness; save violence, aggression, savagery, perversion, corruption, and deception.

This seems to be the way of how they're creating "gender neutral names": take questionable boys' names and give them to girls, thereby forcing society at large to get used to the fact that "huh, so I guess this name is also given to girls then? ok I see".

This has already happened to names like Hunter, Taylor, Carter etc. It's ridiculous, how are you calling a girl Hunter, Sawyer, Jordan, Terry or Emerson?! At this point in time the names get so wacky that it's like reading a bad sci-fi novel and what goofy names some nerd thinks up. I bet at some point in life, when a girl gets adressed with "Soo, Sawyer Johnson then. Ok Mr. Johnson, we're all set" she'll scream out "IT'S MRS. JOHNSON, DON'T PRESUME TO KNOW MY GENDER FROM MY NAME YOU BIGOT! UUUUGH I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE MISGENDER ME"

The English language is doomed with its names, it's time to dig around in the past or go East for proper male names: Ragnarr, Vladislav, Dimitri, Ivor, Zoran, James, Castor, Max