Post: #1

After living for America for awhile I see a disturbing trend: "Beta Pride." This means that some American males are proud to be beta. I have run into guys who are: studying feminist and gender studies, wearing pink shirts and embracing vegetarianism.

Most men back in my native country would find this behavior appalling. Everyone country has beta males; however, most of them don't want to remain beta-its an imperfect state. Most men I know would try to get into fights just to show their toughness. However, so far in America I have not seen any fights go down.

Post: #2

(06-24-2015 11:34 PM)Helium1 Wrote:  After living for America for awhile I see a disturbing trend: "Beta Pride." This means that some American males are proud to be beta. I have run into guys who are: studying feminist and gender studies, wearing pink shirts and embracing vegetarianism.

Most men back in my native country would find this behavior appalling. Everyone country has beta males; however, most of them don't want to remain beta-its an imperfect state. Most men I know would try to get into fights just to show their toughness. However, so far in America I have not seen any fights go down.

Damn! That's beyond beta! I can't think of any guys I would classify as beta going out of there way to wear pink and study feminist and gender studies. Those guys are just your garden-variety cubicle drones. I don't even know if there's yet a term what your describing. Maybe "eunuch-pride" or castrato-pride." I don't know if I'd go so far as to say these guys are omega or incel.

Post: #3

I think Vox Day's classification system is one of the most important ideas ever, and under it the men you describe would be Gamma / Omegas.

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http://voxday.blogspot.com/2010/01/roiss...-game.html

I have a great deal of respect for Roissy's analysis of the female psyche. Even the mere terms he applies, in addition to being hilarious, provide tremendous insight for the average, clueless man who finds himself bewildered by the behavior of women around him. After all, what man could possibly assign much importance to the logical conclusions of a woman's "rationalization hamster". And many of the techniques he recommends will significantly increase the average man's ability to get off on the right foot with women regardless of whether a casual encounter or marriage is the goal.

However, it must be kept in mind that Roissy's social construction of Game is intentionally limited in two ways. The overly simplistic division of men into Alphas and Betas is the natural result of his laser-like focus on scoring vs not scoring. Either you score or you don't score; scoring is Alpha and not-scoring is Beta. QED. And this singular, binary focus also leaves out the many other applications of the male social hierarchy that have nothing to do with women, much less sex. Note that this is not a criticism of Roissy's construct or his conclusions, but rather a tangential expansion of it. Whereas in Game there are only Alphas who score and Betas who don't, except for the Betas who learn the secret of becoming synthetic Alphas, I have come over time to view things in the following manner:

Alphas - the male elite, the leaders of men for whom women naturally lust. Their mere presence sets women a-tingle regardless of whether she is taken or not. Once you've seen beautiful married women ignoring tall, handsome, wealthy, and even famous men because that ugly old troll Henry Kissinger walked in the room, you simply can't deny the reality of Alphadom. Example: Captain Kirk, Big from Sex in the City. Suggestion: Do you see a scoreboard? Right, so relax already!

Betas - the lieutenants, the petty aristocracy. They're popular, they do well with women, they're pretty successful in life, and they may even be exceptionally good-looking. But they lack the Alpha's natural self-confidence and strength of character. They're not leaders and they're not the men to whom women are helplessly drawn. Most men who like to think they're Alphas because of their success are actually Betas. Most Betas won't change their game because they don't really have any need or reason to do so. This is probably the easiest social slot in which to find yourself, since the Beta enjoys many of the benefits of Alphadom without being trapped in the Alpha's endless cycle of competition. Example: Brad Pitt Suggestion: Have some compassion for the less naturally fortunate. Try to include them once in awhile.

Deltas - the great majority of men. These are Roissy's Betas. Almost all of you reading this are Deltas despite the natural desire to believe that you are a brave and bold Alpha snowflake notwithstanding. Deal with it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a Delta, it's just a simple statistical and observable reality. The sooner you accept the truth about yourself, the sooner you will be able to control your unconscious inclinations and modify your behavior in a manner that will help you achieve your goals. I've gone out of alphabetical order here because delta symbolizes change, which most Deltas are capable to some extent. Hence the synthetic alpha instruction set known as Game. Example: Probably you. Suggestion: Never forget that there are plenty of girls on the girl tree.

Gammas - the obsequious ones, the posterior puckerers, the nice guys who attempt to score through white-knighting, faux-chivalry, flattery, and omnipresence. All men except true Alphas will occasionally fall into Gamma behavior from time to time, this is the behavior and attitude that Roissy is attempting to teach men to recognize and avoid. The dividing line between a Gamma and a Delta is that the Gamma genuinely believes in the Gamma reality to the very core of his soul whereas the Delta is never truly comfortable with himself when he behaves in this manner despite being thoroughly indoctrinated in it by his culture. Example: Probably you if you've found yourself complaining about your lack of female companionship over the last two years. Suggestion: Remember that the statement "all are fallen" applies to women too. She isn't any more naturally pure or holy or ethereal than you are.

Lambdas - the gays. They have their own social hierarchy. They can fill any role from Alpha to Omega, but they tend to play the part rather than actually be it because the heterosexual social construct only encompasses the public part of their lives. Example: Neil Patrick Harris. Suggestion: Straights will be more tolerant if you keep the bathhouse behavior behind closed doors.

Sigmas - the lone wolves. Occasionally mistaken for Alphas, particularly by women and Alphas, they are not leaders and will actively resist the attempt of others to draft them. Alphas instinctively view them as challenges and either dislike or warily respect them. Some Deltas and most Omegas fancy themselves Sigmas, but the true Sigma's withdrawal from the pack is not a reaction to the way he is treated, it is pure instinct. Example: Clint Eastwood's movie persona. Suggestion: Entertain the possibility that other people are not always Hell. The banal idiocy is incidental, it's not intentional torture.

Omegas - the losers. Even the Gamma males despise them. That which doesn't kill them can make them stronger, but most never surmount the desperate need to belong caused by their social rejection. Omegas can be the most dangerous of men because the pain of their constant rejection renders the suffering of others completely meaningless in their eyes. Omegas tend to cluster in defensive groups; the dividing line between the Omega and the Sigma is twofold and can be easily recognized by a) the behavior of male Betas and Deltas and b) the behavior of women. Women tend to find outliers attractive in general, but while they respond to Sigmas almost as strongly as they do to Alphas, they correctly find Omega males creepier and much scarier than Gamma males. Example: Eric Harris Suggestion: Your rejection isn't entirely personal. Observe the difference in your own behavior and the way the Betas act. And try not to start off conversations with women by sharing "interesting facts" with them.

I'm not claiming that this hierarchy is science or incontrovertible fact, it's merely the lens through which I tend to view the current sexual-social hierarchy. I think it is a little more broadly useful from a theoretical perspective than the Game construct, even if it is less immediately applicable from a tactical point of view.

Post: #4

Less competition for us. Honestly, is this really a bad thing? I meet guys like this all of the time through work and social connections. I immediately size them up and think to myself, "owned, easy." Competitively I advance faster because of all of the "softness".

If anything, i'd be more nerved out if I had to go up against RvF guys everyday. That is where the crystals are made.

Post: #5

Yet again, I think the "alpha-beta" dichotomy is a waste of time.

The "beta pride" thing you're mentioning only exists among liberal white men, largely like homosexuality.

Post: #6

I think this comic more than accurately sums it up.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SSUx_TlRrn0/VP...toon18.jpg

Post: #7

I don't know how useful the whole alpha/beta thing actually is.

Isn't it your internal mindset that is actually what is important?

You can go 'round and 'round trying to classify yourself and others and I don't know that it tells you too much.

It's not "reality", it's just a theoretical model for looking at social relationships.

Post: #8

(06-25-2015 09:39 AM)CH-Toronto Wrote:  I think this comic more than accurately sums it up.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SSUx_TlRrn0/VP...toon18.jpg

agreed. Many men are going with "what they are told will work" vs. what they personally observe working. Mom said, my teacher said, my professor said, the TV said, and the slut with the green hair and nosering said...and thats what they are doing.

vs.

sit at the bar of a club, on a bench on the street, at a mall food court and observe the type of guy that is with the type of girl you want. That is who to emulate.

Post: #9

Quote:Less competition for us. Honestly, is this really a bad thing? I meet guys like this all of the time through work and social connections. I immediately size them up and think to myself, "owned, easy." Competitively I advance faster because of all of the "softness".

If anything, i'd be more nerved out if I had to go up against RvF guys everyday. That is where the crystals are made.

I disagree. I think Betas are what make 6s think they are 8s, and 7s think they are 10s. The constant FB liking of everything they do, the orbiting, etc, etc. It all contributes to puffing up the chick hamster, pedestaling them and makes dealing with these chicks even more difficult.

An RVFer is more likely to be a wingman, help you divide and conquer, so you both get laid. The Beta is more likely to cockblock out of spite or pure stupidity and then no one gets laid.

If you see an RVFer working his game, at the very least you can watch and learn, improve your own game.

Post: #10

(06-25-2015 08:49 AM)Truth Teller Wrote:  The "beta pride" thing you're mentioning only exists among liberal white men, largely like homosexuality.

Not really. Go to any major city and you will see plenty of asians, blacks and latinos exhibiting the same limp wristed feminine behavior as OP describes.

And despite popular misconception, blacks make up the largest share of the LGBT community.

Post: #11

(06-25-2015 01:52 PM)Blunt Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 08:49 AM)Truth Teller Wrote:  The "beta pride" thing you're mentioning only exists among liberal white men, largely like homosexuality.

Not really. Go to any major city and you will see plenty of asians, blacks and latinos exhibiting the same limp wristed feminine behavior as OP describes.

And despite popular misconception, blacks make up the largest share of the LGBT community

I agree with Blunt, this behavior is getting more and more widespread. Part of the reason is because Betas think it will help get them laid. They think: chicks like it, so if they do it, then chicks will like them.

It's like a roadmap straight to the friendzone, so they absolutely eat it up.

Post: #12

(06-25-2015 12:18 PM)Aenigmarius Wrote:  I disagree. I think Betas are what make 6s think they are 8s, and 7s think they are 10s. The constant FB liking of everything they do, the orbiting, etc, etc. It all contributes to puffing up the chick hamster, pedestaling them and makes dealing with these chicks even more difficult.

Just look at the fat acceptance people. In what world would an obese blob be considered "gorgeous" or anything other than disgusting? Yet insult one of these chicks and the WKs come out in force to defend her. And they don't just object to you calling her fat, they go overboard with the ass kissing and shower her with compliments. The fatty hears it and decides she doesn't need to diet, she's beautiful just the way she is.

To some degree, her continued eating is the direct result of beta-culture.

Post: #13

I have a theory this mindset of "If we can't beat em, join 'em" theme with guys starts early, i.e high school years. Lack of guidance and male role models teaching the ways is a large culprit. Years of sexless friendships with females has led them on a thought train of perpetual ass kissing and pushing over.

Post: #14

I'm pretty sure the guys going along with all the feminism and SJW nonsense are clueless as to get sex with desirable women so they just float like all turds, congealing below the surface and they find others like them.

When enough of them build up to break the surface it becomes noticeable.

Post: #15

What's so beta/queer about wearing pink shirts?

Post: #16

I feel sorry for those guys. Most, if not all, were raised in a broken home (remember when "broken home" was a widely used term?) with no father and no male role model. They simply never learned how to be male. So now they don't know what to do, other than what was rewarded by their mother/grandmother and female teacher throughout their childhood. It's only going to get worse, now that any little sign of aggressive behavior in a male child can lead straight to an ADHD diagnosis and a permanent Ritalin or other psychotropic drug prescription.

One thing though, being vegetarian is not necessarily beta. Once you reach a certain age, and your metabolism slows down, it can really be a healthier choice. I admire males who a vegetarian for health reasons, and who don't attention whore about it. I wish I had that much willpower, but steak and other meat just tastes too good.

Post: #17

“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” ― Mark Twain.

Post: #18

(06-25-2015 06:52 PM)Mr. Wolf Wrote:  I feel sorry for those guys. Most, if not all, were raised in a broken home (remember when "broken home" was a widely used term?) with no father and no male role model. They simply never learned how to be male. So now they don't know what to do, other than what was rewarded by their mother/grandmother and female teacher throughout their childhood. It's only going to get worse, now that any little sign of aggressive behavior in a male child can lead straight to an ADHD diagnosis and a permanent Ritalin or other psychotropic drug prescription.

One thing though, being vegetarian is not necessarily beta. Once you reach a certain age, and your metabolism slows down, it can really be a healthier choice. I admire males who a vegetarian for health reasons, and who don't attention whore about it. I wish I had that much willpower, but steak and other meat just tastes too good.

I agree man-I know many people from broken homes and they end up messed up. This movement-The Manosphere-should spread we must reach out to those kids who are being emasculated.

Post: #19

(06-27-2015 01:32 PM)Helium1 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 06:52 PM)Mr. Wolf Wrote:  I feel sorry for those guys. Most, if not all, were raised in a broken home (remember when "broken home" was a widely used term?) with no father and no male role model. They simply never learned how to be male. So now they don't know what to do, other than what was rewarded by their mother/grandmother and female teacher throughout their childhood. It's only going to get worse, now that any little sign of aggressive behavior in a male child can lead straight to an ADHD diagnosis and a permanent Ritalin or other psychotropic drug prescription.

One thing though, being vegetarian is not necessarily beta. Once you reach a certain age, and your metabolism slows down, it can really be a healthier choice. I admire males who a vegetarian for health reasons, and who don't attention whore about it. I wish I had that much willpower, but steak and other meat just tastes too good.

I agree man-I know many people from broken homes and they end up messed up. This movement-The Manosphere-should spread we must reach out to those kids who are being emasculated.

   

Post: #20

I stopped after "wearing pink shirts". What a delusional idiot you are for thinking a color makes or breaks an entire being.

Post: #21

I have pink shirts, pink pants, pink ties, pink socks, and a pink sportcoat.

I see we have other Team Pink members here,

Come at us, OP

Post: #22

The Beta male for lack of a better word is only acting rationally based on his experiences and the level of his indoctrination:

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This will help you understand why those men are the way they are.

Post: #23

(06-27-2015 03:47 PM)sylo Wrote:  I stopped after "wearing pink shirts". What a delusional idiot you are for thinking a color makes or breaks an entire being.

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