Post: #1

At this stage in the game, I'd never thought I'd still have to use the Newbie Forum.

Nevertheless, a 30 y/o woman (red flag) with 2 kids (red flag) who is a 8/10 with great body, soft smooth legs, and pillow ass has been coming over to sleep and only sleep. We've gone on a date once that went okay. The problem is she's come over 4 times and I've gone over there once for a total of five (5) nights of no action. The farthest we've gone is me fingering her the third (3) time. Every time I try to kiss/lick her neck or feel pussy, she removes my hand and cusses me out (red flag) haha. I've never dealt with anything like this before in my life. It doesn't matter if she's been drinking or not. Shit's bizarre but I want to stick it out to see what'll be the end result. I'd be willing to try 10 nights of inaction before I give up. What is she trying to accomplish here?

Any thoughts on this other than NEXTing her?

Post: #2

The fuck? Why don't you call her out? You are not the Marriott or a Holiday Inn. She's using you and you need to point out the elephant in the room, especially when you are trying to escalate.

"Whoa, if you wanted to rent out a room, why don't you just ask?"

You need dump her ass back wherever you got her. You shouldn't be the one picking up the check. I would not put up with something like this. Try the above and if it does not work, I strongly urge you to toss her back to the wolves.

Post: #3

Pussy on the pedestal.

Immediately stop the nights spent sleeping over.

It's been a total of 9 nights spent with each other and no bang ? I don't see anything positive coming out of this.

She's 30 with 2 kids and doesn't want to fuck you, that's insulting.

I'd go cold on her and see what her reaction is and what she says.

If a woman ever cussed at me in my own house and my own bed when I'm making a move on her I'd tell her to fuck off and get out.

This is what you are to her right now:



This is a sex now or leave situation, if she doesn't put out, give her the boot.

You're wasting time, I'd say 3 times max no sex (3 strikes rule). Imagine what you could do with those other 6 nights? You could be fucking girls in your bed instead of laying there with her.

Post: #4

(06-29-2015 06:25 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  "Whoa, if you wanted to rent out a room, why don't you just ask?"

You need dump her ass back wherever you got her. You shouldn't be the one picking up the check. I would not put up with something like this. Try the above and if it does not work, I strongly urge you to toss her back to the wolves.

I hear what you are saying. I'm just trying to fuck 8s and up appearance wise. The thing is I haven't taken her out or anything since the first date. It's not like I'm spending money. I'm just spending a few hours before bed to try to fuck her on nights when I've exhausted all my other leads with the mindset of sleeping with her soft body is better than alone jerking off to porn.

(06-29-2015 06:28 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Pussy on the pedestal.

Immediately stop the nights spent sleeping over.

It's been a total of 9 nights spent with each other and no bang ? I don't see anything positive coming out of this.

She's 30 with 2 kids and doesn't want to fuck you, that's insulting.

I'd go cold on her and see what her reaction is and what she says.

If a woman ever cussed at me in my own house and my own bed when I'm making a move on her I'd tell her to fuck off and get out.

This is what you are to her right now:

It's been 5 nights total not 9 nights. I'll try that out.

Post: #5

To up your standards negate a point if they are 30+ and negate another point for each kid she has.

So she is a 5. That is how you should see and treat her because that is her real value.

I hate to say it, but you are directly contributing to women's shitty behaviors that we despise in Anglo society. You are the villain here.

Post: #6

As long as you're not sacrificing time that could be spent with other women, I see no harm in hanging out with her. As you said, on those nights it's either her or your hand.

If you were getting progress with each night then it's only a matter of time, but it sounds like after night 3 it's going backwards.

She's trying to test and wear you down. Is it to see if you "really care" about her and not her body, who knows?

Does she initiate the sleepover? If she does, next time say you wish you could but you have other plans, but let's get together on Tuesday. Then when she comes over on Tuesday you don't make any moves and just be friendly. Her hamster will start spinning and she may just start putting her hand on your crotch.

Women seduce men because they want to break-down their transcendence (distance). You need to create some distance, make her unsure of whether you desire her anymore and if there is a new woman in the picture.

Post: #7

So she's sleeping with you, but where are her kids?

WIA

Post: #8

At least you got to cuddle close

Women slow roll men when they want to LTR them. She wants you more emotionally invested before she gives up the goods.

I don't have time for that shit anymore.

I say give it one last try. Liquor her up, make her laugh then go for broke. If she doesn't go with it then cut your losses and move on.

Post: #9

4 nights and no bang, she needs to be next as soon as possible player.

I am assuming that she wants to bang,otherwise she wouldn't sleep at your place, I am also assuming that she is one of these girls that wants you to keep pushing even if she is telling you she doesn't want to do it. Get her a drunk if necessary. Sleep naked when she is on your bed, take out your dick, let her play with it, get sexual in a verbal way, tell her you want to lick her out till she orgasms on your mouth, put your hands on her neck, show her that you will be fucking her really hard, neg her, tell her that you don't want her, slap her on the cheek, etc

Call other girls if necessary, flirt with them on the phone while she is lying on your bed with you, be a dick, put a porn movie on.

Post: #10

The nights you spend with a chick not fucking you are the nights you could be working out, making money, going out to meet other chicks.

It doesn't matter that she's a 9 or a divorced single mom.

WIA

Post: #11

(06-29-2015 07:01 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  I hate to say it, but you are directly contributing to women's shitty behaviors that we despise in Anglo society. You are the villain here.

Penguin, the Joker, and Bane are all bad asses.

(06-29-2015 07:11 PM)Onto Wrote:  Does she initiate the sleepover? If she does, next time say you wish you could but you have other plans, but let's get together on Tuesday. Then when she comes over on Tuesday you don't make any moves and just be friendly. Her hamster will start spinning and she may just start putting her hand on your crotch.

She hits me up damn near every night around 9/10 pm with a "what are you doing" text. If I'm doing something, I'll text her that I'm out or whatever. She'll then say "ok." If I'm not doing something, I'll ask if she wants to come through. She'll then come through to talk for 20 minutes where I try to kino, get my hands slapped away, then we fall asleep.

(06-29-2015 07:13 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  So she's sleeping with you, but where are her kids?

WIA

I guess they're with their daddy on nights when she comes by me. Last night while taking a piss at her house, I saw Ninja Turtles on the floor.

(06-29-2015 07:24 PM)pitt Wrote:  Sleep naked when she is on your bed, take out your dick, let her play with it, get sexual in a verbal way, tell her you want to lick her out till she orgasms on your mouth, put your hands on her neck, show her that you will be fucking her really hard, neg her, tell her that you don't want her, slap her on the cheek, etc

Call other girls if necessary, flirt with them on the phone while she is lying on your bed with you, be a dick, put a porn movie on.

Some very nice shit in this post pitt especially sleeping naked in my bed but I will keep my socks on so I don't catch a cold.

Post: #12

(06-29-2015 07:41 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  The nights you spend with a chick not fucking you are the nights you could be working out, making money, going out to meet other chicks.

It doesn't matter that she's a 9 or a divorced single mom.

WIA

It's not like I know beforehand that I'm not going to fuck, it just becomes that and yes in hindsight, 4x in a row of no action would perhaps indicate that I'll never get it. I'm sure we all can look back at nights we wish we could have back since the female turned out to be a waste of time.

Post: #13

Your time has as much value as you give it.

Post: #14

RougeNoir, you've been on the forum a lot longer than many of us, you know better than this.

Start ramping up other prospects so you build enough of an abundance mentality to never put yourself in this situation again.

Post: #15

(06-29-2015 08:27 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  RougeNoir, you've been on the forum a lot longer than many of us, you know better than this.

Start ramping up other prospects so you build enough of an abundance mentality to never put yourself in this situation again.

I know the simple solution is to "next" her. That'll be the easy way out. I guess my ego is a bit too involved telling me, "does she really think she will not give ME pussy," "does she think she can just lay in MY bed and not get fucked," and others. It's more of an experiment than anything.

Post: #16

Dude you seem like a solid guy and I completely get the ego part but the fact that she cusses you out for trying to escalate, in your own bed??? I would have thrown her pitiful ass out instantly. I've had weird LMR shit but nothing even approaching that. If you took the hard line and told her to put out or get out she may turn and give it up.

Post: #17

You my friend are the Sexless Innkeeper

Post: #18

Slapping your hand away while you try to kino? At your house? Who the fuck does she think you are/she is?

Man that's a disgusting attitude. I dont see the "she wants to test you for LTR" signs others are talking about here at all. Girls who are into you but want to take it slow never act like that.

Bitch deserves a bitch slap and a boot up her ass.

Gotta agree with Travesty... You see a hot woman and you let her get away with anything. She must think she is still the hot 20 years old because of this. I dont buy the "its either that or your hand" excuse either. Once or twice maybe, but 5 nights? My hand got more dignity than that bitch. Save yourself the dignity and go ghost on her, see how she reacts. Physically speaking its much more frustrating to be next to a hot woman who doesnt fuck you than doing it yourself.

Post: #19

(06-29-2015 08:40 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  I know the simple solution is to "next" her. That'll be the easy way out. I guess my ego is a bit too involved telling me, "does she really think she will not give ME pussy," "does she think she can just lay in MY bed and not get fucked," and others. It's more of an experiment than anything.

That is your problem. You must kill your ego. Not enough emphasis placed on this partly because it's a fairly high level concept.

It's not an experiment. That is your hamster rationalizing your foolish behavior.

Post: #20

Next time escalate until she either bangs or gets out. You should have done it the first night.

Post: #21

(06-30-2015 10:57 AM)Brodiaga Wrote:  Next time escalate until she either bangs or gets out. You should have done it the first night.

The second a woman lays in your bed that pussy is fair game.

Post: #22

@Menace, please build in that concept

WIA

Post: #23

So you need more than just physical escalation to get this one to the finish line. You tried that enough times. It didn't get the right result.

It's going to require dialog.

If you discuss this, you want to avoid at all costs:
a) negotiation
b) overtly using logic to try and convince her she's ready

It's more a battle of frame. At the moment you are falling into her frame. She gets to set the pace. You signal you're OK with the present situation and you'll just wait until she's ready.

To build your frame, I would be trying to:
a) describe your principles in a way that she can respect and empathize with
b) set the road map for how you want things to go in the near future

Instead of just throwing an ultimatum at her, you stake out your standards and expectations. The more you describe them, the more she can see your boundaries and how to fit in with them. Your expectations are based on your principles and what you happen to want.

Your principles say that:

She has to understand it's not much fun for you if she's in your bed and smells good but doesn't want to come closer. You don't want to spend a whole night like that because you won't sleep well.

Your intuition is telling you that any girl worth having in your bed should be comfortable with you and want to get closer.

It's basically the same ultimatum but it comes from your frame and not her rejection.

Of course you have to be fully ready to say goodbye for that night. Your preference is to send her back to her place for the night if she's not DTF. Also you are OK with not seeing her again if she has no interest in fitting in with your wants and expectations.

Post: #24

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Post: #25

OK, just to clear a few misconceptions:

We've slept with no-action 5 times total, not sure where you're getting 9 from.

She's Native American. I don't even meet women like this, ever. I'm holding out for the flag.

The nights we spend together are nights where I have to get up early the next morning, non-primetime nights,etc.