Post: #1

Disclaimer: No p2p transactions took place, no p2p matters will be discussed here.

Went to this bar which has russian/ FSU pole dancers who double up as prostitutes, with my friend last night.


I told him the ground rules.

1. Put your wallet in your front pocket
2. If anyone sits with you and asks you to buy them a drink politely refuse.
3. Watch your drink, Dont let anyone drink from your glass or make you drink from theirs. Make sure noone puts anything in your glass. Keep your hand on your glass when someone sits with you.

So we sit all the way at the back and we're the only ones there.

We're talking and chilling over drinks and I see this girl i like.

Thanks to Vorkuta's thread, I decided to see how far I could push my interaction with her.
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She's sitting there by herself looking bored so i go up to her and ask where her friends are, in russian.

She lights up, and asks "Wow you speak russian?"

I say yes of course.

She starts going full speed in Russian. I understand maybe 70%. Found out that shes from Tartarstan and she works as a dancer (Sure you do)

We talk for abit and she tells me she has to start dancing at 11 but will be back.

All the hookers start dancing on the poles and my friend and I are just blown by how stunning these girls are, and also by the dexterity they displayed in 5 inch heels.

We finish our drinks, I scan the bar for tartar girl and shes talking to 2 old white guys.

I tell my friend to wait for me by the exit. I go up to her tell her goodbye and she tells me to wait 5 minutes and that shes entertaining the 2 guys who are from russia.

Im waiting by the drinks bar and the two russian guys come up say hello and ask where the toilet is, in Russian.

I tell them at the back.

I also wonder what she told them to get them to leave.

Tartar girl shows up and I tell her im leaving. She ask if I want to play billiards I say sure. I say goodbye to my friend and he tells me to watch myself in Mandarin. I tell him I have a foldable knife in my pants if anything goes wrong.

Im getting coins out to slot into the pool table and she tells me I have to buy a drink.

I tell her that Ive drunk enough tonight and that Im leaving after 1 game of pool. She tells me that she cant hang out with me if I dont buy drinks.

I tell her that if she needs money so bad Id rather give it to the bar.

She shuts up.

I sit her down and tell her that Ill give her a piece of advice; find a fucking husband. Youre not ugly, or too old, get a husband and you wont have to work.

She asks "for what " in Russian and starts yelling at me saying that she doenst need a fucking husband or boyfriend. The other whores and the bouncers are wathcing us.

I told her in Russian. Love without sex leaves the body cold and sex without love leaves the Soul empty. Credits to diego69 and the liguarian: /thread-22856-page-10.html

She shuts up and I tell her Im leaving and tell her that she can leave with me if she wants.

She says ok fine go, and starts walking back to the dance floor.

I turn around to have one last look and she turns back yells at me to come over.

I walk over and she says that she finds me strange. She grabs my hand and we walk back to the back of the bar.

Shes rambling in Russian, and I maintain my gaze (Didnt know what she was saying)

I tell her look im not buying any drinks and Im leaving. She gives me a goodbye hug and tells me that she likes me because Im young, smart, have a good body, and im not like the other guys that go to the bar.

I hoist her up in the air and we make out.

I tell her Im leaving and she tells me to take her number.

Appreciate any inputs on what I could have done better.

Thanks.

Post: #2

   

(08-12-2015 03:35 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  I sit her down and tell her that Ill give her a piece of advice; find a fucking husband. Youre not ugly, or too old, get a husband and you wont have to work.

She asks "for what " in Russian and starts yelling at me saying that she doenst need a fucking husband or boyfriend. The other whores and the bouncers are wathcing us.

I told her in Russian. Love without sex leaves the body cold and sex without love leaves the Soul empty. Credits to diego69 and the liguarian: /thread-22856-page-10.html

Post: #3

You're implying the opportunity has passed, but you got her number correct?

Post: #4

Edit:

I reread the post and then it clicked to me why you went there.

So all I can say now is don't be that chump that get's caught in her trap.


Don't Save Her. She Don't Wanna Be Saved!!!

Post: #5

delete

Post: #6

I'm not interested in saving her nor do I wish to keep in contact with her. I simply want to evaluate what went wrong and what went right.

Post: #7

Not.only did you try to convince a girl to fuck you explaining to her rationally why youre better than her, you also went the extra mile and white knighted a bit.

Youre lucky she wasnt in a bad mood and stopped yelling before the bouncers showed up thinking that there was still a chance of milking some money out of you.

Also its pretty obvious that you do want to contact her. You wont get any better if you dont admit to yourself your mistakes.

Post: #8

Now that you mention it, yes I did white knight excessively.

But still, she gave me the kiss after she had the meltdown.

I don't want to sound trollish, but I find this extremely perplexing.

Post: #9

(08-12-2015 05:01 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  I'm not interested in saving her nor do I wish to keep in contact with her. I simply want to evaluate what went wrong and what went right.

I am personally against shoring because you expose yourself to a lot of risk by getting involved with dramatic, severely damaged, cynical, man-hating girls who often have drug problems, diseases, and close ties to violent criminals.

That being said, I think you did about as well as you could under the circumstances. You probably should not have talked about marriage, love, the soul, and all that, as it suggests empathy. Better to go dark triad alpha.

Post: #10

(08-12-2015 05:41 AM)Akwesi Wrote:  [quote='Agreddor' pid='1087396' dateline='1439373677'] Better to go dark triad alpha.

Newsflash sex workers still like sex and fuck bad boys not beta chumps. Your refusal to spend money on her and ability to somewhat maintain frame gave her mild tingles but she is still on the fence because you did display some captain save a hoe behavior: telling a known ho that she should turn housewife is like telling a feminist she should try being feminine. One advantage to fucking sex workers is they always use protection, so they are actually safer than the sluts from the club who you met an hour ago and are already fucking you raw while they can't remember your name. Rule number one is: rawdogging is only for LTR's and established hard harem members.

Post: #11

(08-12-2015 03:51 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  You're implying the opportunity has passed, but you got her number correct?

yes I did get her number. But its only a phone number, and shes a whore. What good will a phone number be?

Post: #12

(08-12-2015 06:44 AM)Natural Born Gyalist Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 05:41 AM)Akwesi Wrote:  [quote='Agreddor' pid='1087396' dateline='1439373677'] Better to go dark triad alpha.

Newsflash sex workers still like sex and fuck bad boys not beta chumps. Your refusal to spend money on her and ability to somewhat maintain frame gave her mild tingles but she is still on the fence because you did display some captain save a hoe behavior: telling a known ho that she should turn housewife is like telling a feminist she should try being feminine. One advantage to fucking sex workers is they always use protection, so they are actually safer than the sluts from the club who you met an hour ago and are already fucking you raw while they can't remember your name. Rule number one is: rawdogging is only for LTR's and established hard harem members.

Kicking myself now for blurting out the marriage thing.

Post: #13

Never be a white knight bro, nobody likes white knights, not even the bitches they're defending..

Post: #14

I was once talking to a ho. You know the type, skinny, chain smoker, tense, argumentative, easily aggressive. Asked me for 20 euros, of course I laughed and said no, even though in hindsight it was very cheap. At the time I didn't know as much about women and the only way I could improve was to find out things myself and piece stuff together. I asked her where she was from, how she came to the city, how she was doing, and if she had any kids. Then I just leave and when I happen to come across another pro, I give them similar questions. Everything I say is for my own data gathering purposes. As long as you don't listen to what a woman says literally, these chicks have been through a lot, had a lot of cold, soulless sex and can teach you a lot, if you process their information well.

Something I learned was that there is a small group of women who will always gravitate to sex work, and there are some factors involved which would increase or decrease the likelihood of that happening. I also learned that these women cannot be saved, and it is not worth your time to save them, because there are high quality women you could game with less time and effort. These women are unlovable. They are loved only by deluded men, men blinded by their physical beauty, men with fewer options. In conclusion it is not always a bad thing to find out a few things about the ho, but only if it helps you. Sounds selfish but chicks love to talk about themselves so it's really a win-win.

Unless you have some sort of insatiable preference for hardened prostitutes, in which case you have your work cut out

Post: #15

Strip clubs are great but not the place for saving bitches. Its like pulling metal out of a fire. You will get burned.

Post: #16

(08-12-2015 05:01 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  I'm not interested in saving her nor do I wish to keep in contact with her. I simply want to evaluate what went wrong and what went right.

The most important thing did go right - you left without her, unscathed.

Post: #17

It sounded like a house rule that she will get in trouble for if you arent buying drinks or lapdances. So to criticize her for that is odd.

The pool game was the critical moment. You lost frame there because you said you were leaving but then reneged on your plan. Why tell her you are leaving without opening the door to meet her later? You didnt ask what time she got off from work, which would have been the absolute earliest to snag her for the lay.

P.s. when girls find you 'strange' its because you are trying to repeatedly DHV without pushing to close. There is a point in the game when she knows what you are selling and is ready to buy. No need to keep trying to sell.

Post: #18

(08-13-2015 06:52 PM)Grit Wrote:  It sounded like a house rule that she will get in trouble for if you arent buying drinks or lapdances. So to criticize her for that is odd.

The pool game was the critical moment. You lost frame there because you said you were leaving but then reneged on your plan. Why tell her you are leaving without opening the door to meet her later? You didnt ask what time she got off from work, which would have been the absolute earliest to snag her for the lay.

P.s. when girls find you 'strange' its because you are trying to repeatedly DHV without pushing to close. There is a point in the game when she knows what you are selling and is ready to buy. No need to keep trying to sell.

This will sound ridiculously stupid, but I forgot how to say that in russian anyway I found out that the bar closes late 6am.