Post: #1

Hi guys, I have some questions for you. From my experience in day game and some night game I came to the conclusion that game can't create attraction, only amplify it.
I can say that the raw attraction is created by your looks, especially the moment when a women looks at your face and into your eyes. Also attraction is created by your "value", this means social status, your lifestyle, the talents or skills you have, the friends you have and which people know you and put a price on you.

I thought gaming a woman is like biasing all her natural selection instincts. But that is bullshit. You can do that by making her drunk or on drugs.
So, now I consider game the way you make things happen from the moment she feels attraction for you to the moment you are fucking her.

I look for eye contact and if I can't get the eye contact I consider there is not worth approaching.

Now when I stop a girl on the street, coming from behind, I feel if she like me or not in the first seconds. This can be from how she looks in my eyes, how she talks with me or if she continues her walking. I never follow girls on the street. If she doesn't like me I just stop trying to "game" her.

What do you say about my thoughts?

Post: #2

(06-14-2011 08:53 AM)Jack_007 Wrote:  I look for eye contact and if I can't get the eye contact I consider there is not worth approaching.

Now when I stop a girl on the street, coming from behind, I feel if she like me or not in the first seconds. This can be from how she looks in my eyes, how she talks with me or if she continues her walking. I never follow girls on the street. If she doesn't like me I just stop trying to "game" her.

What do you say about my thoughts?

It sounds like you're just giving yourself excuses to give up early. If you were to always look for eye contact or some other indicator of interest before approaching you'd only rack up 10% of the approaches that you could if you just go for it.

Sometimes you have to do most of the talking and the girl won't make her interest clear. Just have to plough on and do most of the talking.

This is a good exercise: in your next 10 approaches, wait for her to make it explicitly clear that she doesn't want to talk to you anymore before ejecting. If you're just trying to read cues and assume that she's not interested, you're ejecting too early. Telling you to fuck off is her job, don't make it too easy for her.

Post: #3

whatever you wrote e.g attraction is created by looks ..if had it been a truth...then girls were only fucking guys with looks and not average guys like me and Roosh.

i saw many guys with bully looks hanging around with hotties ...infact...i often see them....i am sure you also saw couple of them...........didnt u ...??


looks are important.....but ultimately...u have to be a game master.

Post: #4

Quote:It sounds like you're just giving yourself excuses to give up early. If you were to always look for eye contact or some other indicator of interest before approaching you'd only rack up 10% of the approaches that you could if you just go for it.

I used to approach any girl i found attractive even without eye contact. Yes, it went OK, I even took the phone number or e-mail but that was all. Phone # or facebook doesn't count for me as a succes. As roosh said, the goal should be at least a makeout, not the phone number . All the girls that I fucked or got a date with made eye contact with me before approaching.

Quote:whatever you wrote e.g attraction is created by looks ..if had it been a truth...then girls were only fucking guys with looks and not average guys like me and Roosh.

By "looks" I'm not talking about good looking, I'm talking about the way you look, god or bad it doesn't matter. I had ugly girls rejecting me and hot girls liking me. There are girls who can adore a good looking guy and girls that don't find them enough attractiv to sleep with them. I know real cases.

Post: #5

sir_seducer, I think Jack is trying to describe one's looks as the vibe given off (confidence, swagger, eye contact, etc.) instead of just physical looks.

Jack, I understand what you're saying because all of my notches have come from girls who have conveyed interest before I approached, but I need to get off my ass and change that.

Great post Caligula. Looking back, I can remember plenty of times where I ejected too early and probably could have gotten somewhere if I put in more effort. It's easy to mistake shyness as disinterest.

Post: #6

(06-14-2011 08:53 AM)Jack_007 Wrote:  Hi guys, I have some questions for you. From my experience in day game and some night game I came to the conclusion that game can't create attraction, only amplify it.
I can say that the raw attraction is created by your looks, especially the moment when a women looks at your face and into your eyes. Also attraction is created by your "value", this means social status, your lifestyle, the talents or skills you have, the friends you have and which people know you and put a price on you.

I thought gaming a woman is like biasing all her natural selection instincts. But that is bullshit. You can do that by making her drunk or on drugs.
So, now I consider game the way you make things happen from the moment she feels attraction for you to the moment you are fucking her.

I look for eye contact and if I can't get the eye contact I consider there is not worth approaching.

Now when I stop a girl on the street, coming from behind, I feel if she like me or not in the first seconds. This can be from how she looks in my eyes, how she talks with me or if she continues her walking. I never follow girls on the street. If she doesn't like me I just stop trying to "game" her.

What do you say about my thoughts?

I think you're confused. Her initial reaction isn't going to be based off of attraction. There's a lot of factors involved. Building attraction is part of game.

What does game mean to me?

It means being comfortable enough in your own skin to approach and seduce women successfully. A means to an end, which improves my overall confidence and well-being in the process.

Post: #7

when your game is strong enough....your frame gets stronger ...! .thus..you end up looking good even if you are ugly.

Post: #8

(06-14-2011 05:23 PM)Gmac Wrote:  It means being comfortable enough in your own skin to approach and seduce women successfully.

And the women you can't seduce, who's fault is?

Post: #9

(06-15-2011 04:09 AM)Jack_007 Wrote:  

(06-14-2011 05:23 PM)Gmac Wrote:  It means being comfortable enough in your own skin to approach and seduce women successfully.

And the women you can't seduce, who's fault is?

It doesn't matter. Could be circumstances, could be your level or style of game. What's important is you learn from your experiences and grow.

Post: #10

game doesn't mean banging each and every single girl in this world.....it means banging Lots of women in the life.

Post: #11

If a woman rejects you now and you return after a while with improved "game", do you think you can sleep with her ?

Post: #12

(06-15-2011 02:12 PM)Jack_007 Wrote:  If a woman rejects you now and you return after a while with improved "game", do you think you can sleep with her ?

In most cases it will be an uphill battle and barely worth pursuing. But there are plenty of exceptions. Especially when a long time has passed.