Post: #1

I basically practice "laid back & friendly" game, and mostly day game in real life places like grocery stores, etc., with some evening events through in. Some I think have called this 'indirect' game, though I don't call it anything in particular; my old wing told me his style is to just have a conversation and "see where it goes", if she's not biting, just try again. That's what I do: let me call it 'cool' game.

I however want a higher closing rate than I am currently getting. I wonder if I can increase the amount of physical attraction by warming up the interaction by going more emotional and more direct.

I saw a clip from Lance Mason, (normally I don't like 'dating coaches' but he strikes me as authentic) who describes the 'movie moment' approach, which might be translated as "get in state" first and build up the energy and then approach 'fired up', preferably with direct eye contact with the girl before even speaking to her, ramping up the 'sexual tension' as much as possible. He contrasts it to the standard 'banter' approach, the conversational method of building attraction. He says the movie moment (I'll call it 'warm') approach has his highest closure rate, and when done correctly has women flipping out that 'it finally happened!'

I find this idea very fascinating but am unsure how to do it in my own game. I think my personal style leans rather laid back ('cool') though; so when I approach I am more about preparation (fitness, dress) and subtlety and smoothness instead of being 'in state' with higher, bolder (but possibly not calibrated?) energy/sweeping the girl off her feet.

However I do notice that once I open I sometimes feel a surge of energy, where the social interaction and closeness with the target girl pumps up my state; I am not sure what to do with the energy, normally I just maintain my composure instead of heating up, dominating, or 'sexualizing' the engagement, turning it into more direct approach. I wouldn't mind 'blowing out' girls that aren't really interested either.

Is it beneficial to 'switch' modes after starting a "cool" conversation game to make it "warm" game, once my energy fires up? Or should the first interaction simply be kept casual (cool)? Maintain composure/frame or go for the prize?

Post: #2

If Lance's movie moment = pumped up state then it sounds like a recipe for disaster. The best state to be in is chill, relaxed and lighthearted.

As for switching your modes... you should never consciously analyze it and mimic something you're not in the moment. Just go with the flow. For example, If you just ended laughing hard cause your friend had told you a joke on the phone you should own that upbeat state. On the other hand if you feel tired or upset then acknowledge elephant in the room in the conversation. Do not try to be happy you feel then and there, it will be fake and it will show.

Post: #3

I think you are mixing dynamics with moods.
I believe you are looking to get the girl buying temperature to rise. In order to do that you will need to display more "Affection".

Probably this should be, as XXL noted, authentic. This means that as the conversation advances, so should your escalation and openness. That way, the girl gets "swept".

Easier said than done.

Post: #4

I don't like your terms.

In a practical sense, indirect day game is you talking to a chick that you find attractive, but not revealing your attraction and intention until later on in the conversation/interaction.

Direct means you are intentionally telling her up front, this is what I want from you.

When you come at a chick indirectly, most didn't just fall off the turnip truck. They usually know that you're hitting on them. If you really took the time to study the old school internet style of pickup,

A girl is thinking that this very interesting and funny guy is now talking to me. Did he just say we would never work out? Omg this guy is hilarious. He's a bit of a rogue.

WHY *ISN'T* HE HITTING ON ME?!??

The "dance"'starts with a girl that is socially savvy. When you engage in indirect pickup you're fucking with a chick almost the way that chicks fuck with other chicks. You're speaking to her in her language in her manner. You're showing mastery of her world, when done right. (Keep in mind she doesn't know any other world) With indirect, you show her that you get it. You understand. Done well, it's a literal pleasure to talk to the player. She gets to feel smart, sexy, sassy, powerful, submissive, etc. Primarily through speech.

It's why indirect always works better on smart girls or savvy ones. Dumb girls or chicks that speak another language have a hard time with indirect. I find that I have to find common ground in order for her to start her part of the script. She has to be able to talk and flirt back for it to work.

With direct, or telegraphing your interest, the girl is forced to make a quick judgment. Should she get involved in the flirtation or not. Are you attractive enough, is she in the mood for that?

So in the day game situation, if you're chasing down chicks on the avenue trying to chat them up, I've found that it's hard to go indirect. They already know that you're going to hit on them, and there was no neutral reason to run after her.

But if you're going up the escalator, stuck in an elevator, on a train or train platform, in a line, someplace where you have a captive audience and it's not socially weird to chat - then you can develop that back and forth and build that heat. You can show off your personality and screen hers. She will suspect that you're hitting on her, but she'll listen long enough for the real game to start.

But you want to chat up a girl, feel that spark and go sexual....It's tougher. I get that you're trying to sweep her off her feet by being this awesome and direct guy.

The summer time, the beach, festivals, traveling - , there are some scenarios where this is a good bet. Chicks are primed for that.

Especially If you can get an instadate out of it, DO IT. Because you can roll an instadate into a full day and then a night of hanging out. More than enough time.

But If you can only get a number, that number is usually worse than useless, because you can't make her feel that spark again over text. It's why club numbers without grounding are useless.

These are generalities of course, but the more sexual and direct you are, the more it depends on her feeling you like that in order for it to go in that direction. Direct is ideal for packed scenarios. Be efficient.

Day game is typically not packed. Even though their defenses aren't up, they're also not in socializing mood either.

Could you come on strong during the downtown lunch rush, and really snag some hot little intern? I'd say most the time the answer is no. Not off of game. If she fancies your look, then yes.

A chick that does bite, and returns your calls, is at least good to go out with, but I wouldn't call that setup a definite bang.

As a young player, try this out. But realize it's going to be more about her immediate impression of you, rather than a chance to monkey with her mind.

WIA

Post: #5

(09-02-2015 03:13 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I don't like your terms.

In a practical sense, indirect day game is you talking to a chick that you find attractive, but not revealing your attraction and intention until later on in the conversation/interaction.

Direct means you are intentionally telling her up front, this is what I want from you.

When you come at a chick indirectly, most didn't just fall off the turnip truck. They usually know that you're hitting on them. If you really took the time to study the old school internet style of pickup,

A girl is thinking that this very interesting and funny guy is now talking to me. Did he just say we would never work out? Omg this guy is hilarious. He's a bit of a rogue.

WHY *ISN'T* HE HITTING ON ME?!??

The "dance"'starts with a girl that is socially savvy. When you engage in indirect pickup you're fucking with a chick almost the way that chicks fuck with other chicks. You're speaking to her in her language in her manner. You're showing mastery of her world, when done right. (Keep in mind she doesn't know any other world) With indirect, you show her that you get it. You understand. Done well, it's a literal pleasure to talk to the player. She gets to feel smart, sexy, sassy, powerful, submissive, etc. Primarily through speech.

It's why indirect always works better on smart girls or savvy ones. Dumb girls or chicks that speak another language have a hard time with indirect. I find that I have to find common ground in order for her to start her part of the script. She has to be able to talk and flirt back for it to work.

With direct, or telegraphing your interest, the girl is forced to make a quick judgment. Should she get involved in the flirtation or not. Are you attractive enough, is she in the mood for that?

So in the day game situation, if you're chasing down chicks on the avenue trying to chat them up, I've found that it's hard to go indirect. They already know that you're going to hit on them, and there was no neutral reason to run after her.

But if you're going up the escalator, stuck in an elevator, on a train or train platform, in a line, someplace where you have a captive audience and it's not socially weird to chat - then you can develop that back and forth and build that heat. You can show off your personality and screen hers. She will suspect that you're hitting on her, but she'll listen long enough for the real game to start.

But you want to chat up a girl, feel that spark and go sexual....It's tougher. I get that you're trying to sweep her off her feet by being this awesome and direct guy.

The summer time, the beach, festivals, traveling - , there are some scenarios where this is a good bet. Chicks are primed for that.

Especially If you can get an instadate out of it, DO IT. Because you can roll an instadate into a full day and then a night of hanging out. More than enough time.

But If you can only get a number, that number is usually worse than useless, because you can't make her feel that spark again over text. It's why club numbers without grounding are useless.

These are generalities of course, but the more sexual and direct you are, the more it depends on her feeling you like that in order for it to go in that direction. Direct is ideal for packed scenarios. Be efficient.

Day game is typically not packed. Even though their defenses aren't up, they're also not in socializing mood either.

Could you come on strong during the downtown lunch rush, and really snag some hot little intern? I'd say most the time the answer is no. Not off of game. If she fancies your look, then yes.

A chick that does bite, and returns your calls, is at least good to go out with, but I wouldn't call that setup a definite bang.

As a young player, try this out. But realize it's going to be more about her immediate impression of you, rather than a chance to monkey with her mind.

WIA

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