Post: #1

I realized that i have a problem like this. I can maintain a decent conversation with girls. Conversation moves relatively smoothly. I make her laugh a few times. But they always end up going nowhere. The conversation comes off too friendly. What can i do to change the tone of the conversation so that she knows i am indicating interest in her?

Post: #2

Flirt. Be touchy. Move to sexual topics. Escalate. Don't get stuck in the friendzone.

Post: #3

This could be a good definition of game.

"How to turn interactions from friendly to attractive."

Post: #4

Reminds me of the scene in Glengarry "Always Be Closing".

https://youtu.be/wVQPY4LlbJ4

Post: #5

Can we get some more details, some more context?

Is this during your Christian singles mixer, at work, in class, at the bar, Wal-Mart jewelry department?

What's the girl in question like? Stranger, class mate, chick at the martini bar?

Daytime? Nighttime?

If your conversations are like this question, it's obvious that you don't communicate for the sake of your audience. You just kinda hope they figure it out.

WIA

Post: #6

This is happening in all situations. A good example is hanging out in a party and chatting with a girl there. Those are the situations i have the most trouble in. But the latest example happened to me outside of a bar. Opened her up by asking for a light. 20 minute convo that results in nothing even though it was a solid conversation (little job interview questions. No job or name questioms either.)

Post: #7

yea, no...

you gotta present yourself from the onset. its better to tell others on how to think of you than to change their opinions later.

what you want to think/read about is being a polarity setter https://www.google.com/search?q=polarity...+heartiste

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius. ("Kill them. For the Lord knows those that are His own.")

Post: #8

(09-04-2015 12:14 PM)Iso Wrote:  This is happening in all situations. A good example is hanging out in a party and chatting with a girl there. Those are the situations i have the most trouble in. But the latest example happened to me outside of a bar. Opened her up by asking for a light. 20 minute convo that results in nothing even though it was a solid conversation (little job interview questions. No job or name questioms either.)

During these "friendly" conversations how much (if at all) did you touch her? As simple as casually touching her on the arm, lower back or high five-ing her may seem the results can almost seem magical. Men who are shy, awkward and who don't own their sexual interest never touch.

I know for me, after more first dates than I can even count, if my vibe with her never seemed to get off the ground, I can almost always trace it back to my lack of initiating physical contact with her (among other possible reasons.) You'll find some women are more naturally open and flirtatious which makes doing this very easy but others are more closed off and reserved which can make the thought of breaking the touch barrier a little nerve wracking. Still, if you're interested in her you have to just do it.

Women want you to take the lead and there's no better way to set the tone and direction of your interaction than touching her early and often.

Post: #9

If you listen to me talking to a girl, it sounds pretty friendly. No neg crap, no sexual conversation, just maybe a general tease or two on a platonic topic.
However my hands are saying something completely different.

It's a simple question: how do you 'do' friendship? Conversation, with words going through the air. How do you do sex? You bury your dick between her legs. It's a physical action. The logical intermediate step is physical contact. Therefore to sexualize, add physical contact.

Post: #10

Eye contact, making casual comments RE her height, hair, eye color, lipstick, perfume, etc for starters. Lead the conversation into a more physicality based context. I always play the points game with women..For instance, if she has long hair I'll tell her "+2 points for staying feminine". This lets her know you're physically interested in her. Don't be afraid to neg and minus points when necessary, but don't be overt. For instance, I heard a guy tell a fit girl "you're too fat to be a runner". Now, I see he was trying to stab the hamster and she had an ego, but she was done after that.

Always be escalating. One of Roissy's maxims I believe.

Post: #11

Be equilibrated. This means the following:

- Not too much friendly.
- Not dead serious.
- Not be a clown (excessive use of jokes or negging).
- Not overly talkative (let her talk at will).

Be careful with the following:

- Eye contact---> In excess can creep her out
- Touching -----> In excess can creep her out
- Praise --------> This can skyrocket her perceived value above yours
- Sex talk ------> Major mistake, leads nowhere normally, actually kills the sex drive

So, in sum, be confident, make good use of the body language, right tone of voice, make her hooked up on what you have to say, slightly touch her, and strike when the iron is hot, just not for too long...be like the Komodo dragon, bite the prey, and then follow her home to eat her.

Post: #12

Your body distance, language, eye contact, and smile once you get her hooked into a conversation have to shift quickly to the same way you would talk and look her down as if you were both standing alone in your kitchen with drinks in hand and good music playing in the background.

Like sex could happen at any second. There is a way to do this without showing thirst. That takes experience.

Post: #13

I tip my hats to guys that can physically escalate on a day game pick up. I think beyond grabbing hand and touching a bracelet, ring, or necklace I have found it difficult and it is something I need to work on.

I think the spin move dance stuff I just can't do it doesn't mesh with my vibe.

Post: #14

Sounds like you're new to the game. I'll go easy on you.
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An example of how to go from neutral to sexual.

Player - Hey (you say to the girl)
Player - lemme get a light

*chick gives you a light*

Player - It's so hot in the bar/club/library/banya
Player - You ever just wish that you could suddenly turn everything to ice and just melt into the world?

Girl - *blah blah blah*
Player - *changing gears, or purposefully misinterpreting what she said* <- this is the line that changes from neutral to sexual

"Haha, you would totally be the type that would..."

(what this does is tell the girl you're not super serious, and you're here to play. Most girls recognize this. Not even on a conscious level - it's a social script. Just like when someone asks you what the time is, or when the train is coming, or hold the door - you just do it automatically. She will typically just fall in line.)

Girl - *blah blah blah, defending herself*

Player - I can already tell that you're a bad girl wearing good girl's clothing...don't lie to me!

*boom* You've heated up the conversation with maybe 2 lines.

Introducing the Bad Girl/Good Girl dynamic is the quickest way to transition into whatever naughty things she is in to. Don't be a meathead and start asking her about blowjobs. Hint at the sexual topics, and let it go.

There are all sorts of flourishes and nuances that you can add in to this
- when she lights your cig, you cup her hands in yours - break the touch barrier
- you can say at the end of the above,

"i'm a girl expert, and I got you all figured out"

This is going to totally challenge her

The CHALLENGE is what is SEXY to the girl.

You're putting her on the defense.
She likes to go back and forth

Depending on the setting, you can playfully bump her, punch her, or she might be so "enraged" that she'll do that to you. That breaks the touch barrier.

Laughs...challenges...touches....you can then slow the moment down - and go in for one of those movie style kisses.

That's it.

The key to the neutral to sexual is
- Knowing that's what you want to do
- Expecting the girl to play her role - which they typically do
- Giving her material that she can work with (and the best material you can use is HER. Not celebrities, not reality tv,not music - HER)

Once the chick is chatting with you about her, and you're teasing her and having fun with her - you're building the heat. The touches, the allusions, those build the heat.

You can add whatever style you like on top of what I just said. Dark Triad, Dancing Monkey, Amused Mastery, Straight Pimp Game - it doesn't matter. Run whatever you like.

WIA

Post: #15

Ask for feedback. Not directly, course. A good way is to tell her you're a man (indirectly, of course) and interested in having sex with her. Most men would be scared to do so (unless a healthy dose of alcohol involved), for example:" I like the shape of your lips, they seem very kissable." Her reaction, be it verbal or non-verbal, can tell you a lot.

Post: #16

You need to learn how to flirt and how to initiate physical contact with a girl properly. It's all out there research it. It's too much to write a simple post that answers your question.

Quick tip: talk about the girl. Her vibe, clothes, looks, behavior, how she comes across to you, who she reminds you, what you think when you look at her, tease her, ask questions about her, make random/imaginative statements about her, aka make it about her. That's playful. Anything you say about her will be engaging for her thus interesting [even it's not something nice].

In short.. look at her and make shit up

Post: #17

If you want her body then talk about her body, neg if possible.

Had a girl tell me she was a fitness coach, I asked her "well then shouldn't you be in shape?". Spent the next hour trying to validate herseld. She probably hadn't been that wet in a month.

Post: #18

(09-04-2015 09:29 AM)Iso Wrote:  I realized that i have a problem like this. I can maintain a decent conversation with girls. Conversation moves relatively smoothly. I make her laugh a few times. But they always end up going nowhere. The conversation comes off too friendly. What can i do to change the tone of the conversation so that she knows i am indicating interest in her?

They reason you can't move forward is because you're scared of rejection of her response. I promise you any flirting you do will be welcomed by her if you do it in a playful manner. It's about having fun, everyone wants to have fun. If she gives you a negative response for attempting to flirt with her look at her like there is something wrong with her. You are just trying to have a good time and why does she have to be such a party pooper. She does not want come across as uncool. Just have fun. If you are afraid of going bold initially than escalate but don't stop escalating.

Post: #19

(09-04-2015 08:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Sounds like you're new to the game. I'll go easy on you.
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An example of how to go from neutral to sexual.

Player - Hey (you say to the girl)
Player - lemme get a light

*chick gives you a light*

Player - It's so hot in the bar/club/library/banya
Player - You ever just wish that you could suddenly turn everything to ice and just melt into the world?

Girl - *blah blah blah*
Player - *changing gears, or purposefully misinterpreting what she said* <- this is the line that changes from neutral to sexual

"Haha, you would totally be the type that would..."

(what this does is tell the girl you're not super serious, and you're here to play. Most girls recognize this. Not even on a conscious level - it's a social script. Just like when someone asks you what the time is, or when the train is coming, or hold the door - you just do it automatically. She will typically just fall in line.)

Girl - *blah blah blah, defending herself*

Player - I can already tell that you're a bad girl wearing good girl's clothing...don't lie to me!

*boom* You've heated up the conversation with maybe 2 lines.

Introducing the Bad Girl/Good Girl dynamic is the quickest way to transition into whatever naughty things she is in to. Don't be a meathead and start asking her about blowjobs. Hint at the sexual topics, and let it go.

There are all sorts of flourishes and nuances that you can add in to this
- when she lights your cig, you cup her hands in yours - break the touch barrier
- you can say at the end of the above,

"i'm a girl expert, and I got you all figured out"

This is going to totally challenge her

The CHALLENGE is what is SEXY to the girl.

You're putting her on the defense.
She likes to go back and forth

Depending on the setting, you can playfully bump her, punch her, or she might be so "enraged" that she'll do that to you. That breaks the touch barrier.

Laughs...challenges...touches....you can then slow the moment down - and go in for one of those movie style kisses.

That's it.

The key to the neutral to sexual is
- Knowing that's what you want to do
- Expecting the girl to play her role - which they typically do
- Giving her material that she can work with (and the best material you can use is HER. Not celebrities, not reality tv,not music - HER)

Once the chick is chatting with you about her, and you're teasing her and having fun with her - you're building the heat. The touches, the allusions, those build the heat.

You can add whatever style you like on top of what I just said. Dark Triad, Dancing Monkey, Amused Mastery, Straight Pimp Game - it doesn't matter. Run whatever you like.

WIA

This is a great post about how to sexualize a friendly conversation through flirty teasing. I've been thinking about teasing lately, how and when it happens naturally, and how it is one of the most important concepts in game.

But, even easier than all this, is to go in very direct from the start. Shock and awe. It is easier to make an impression than to change an impression. It is more fun and efficient. However, the sexualized teasing is a vital skill as always being direct is not possible when dealing with social circles, work, school etc...

Post: #20

(09-04-2015 08:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Sounds like you're new to the game. I'll go easy on you.
_______________________________________________________________

An example of how to go from neutral to sexual.

Player - Hey (you say to the girl)
Player - lemme get a light

*chick gives you a light*

Player - It's so hot in the bar/club/library/banya
Player - You ever just wish that you could suddenly turn everything to ice and just melt into the world?

Girl - *blah blah blah*
Player - *changing gears, or purposefully misinterpreting what she said* <- this is the line that changes from neutral to sexual

"Haha, you would totally be the type that would..."

(what this does is tell the girl you're not super serious, and you're here to play. Most girls recognize this. Not even on a conscious level - it's a social script. Just like when someone asks you what the time is, or when the train is coming, or hold the door - you just do it automatically. She will typically just fall in line.)

Girl - *blah blah blah, defending herself*

Player - I can already tell that you're a bad girl wearing good girl's clothing...don't lie to me!

*boom* You've heated up the conversation with maybe 2 lines.

Introducing the Bad Girl/Good Girl dynamic is the quickest way to transition into whatever naughty things she is in to. Don't be a meathead and start asking her about blowjobs. Hint at the sexual topics, and let it go.

There are all sorts of flourishes and nuances that you can add in to this
- when she lights your cig, you cup her hands in yours - break the touch barrier
- you can say at the end of the above,

"i'm a girl expert, and I got you all figured out"

This is going to totally challenge her

The CHALLENGE is what is SEXY to the girl.

You're putting her on the defense.
She likes to go back and forth

Depending on the setting, you can playfully bump her, punch her, or she might be so "enraged" that she'll do that to you. That breaks the touch barrier.

Laughs...challenges...touches....you can then slow the moment down - and go in for one of those movie style kisses.

That's it.

The key to the neutral to sexual is
- Knowing that's what you want to do
- Expecting the girl to play her role - which they typically do
- Giving her material that she can work with (and the best material you can use is HER. Not celebrities, not reality tv,not music - HER)

Once the chick is chatting with you about her, and you're teasing her and having fun with her - you're building the heat. The touches, the allusions, those build the heat.

You can add whatever style you like on top of what I just said. Dark Triad, Dancing Monkey, Amused Mastery, Straight Pimp Game - it doesn't matter. Run whatever you like.

WIA

WIA delivers as always.

Post: #21

(09-04-2015 08:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Sounds like you're new to the game. I'll go easy on you.
_______________________________________________________________

An example of how to go from neutral to sexual.

Player - Hey (you say to the girl)
Player - lemme get a light

*chick gives you a light*

Player - It's so hot in the bar/club/library/banya
Player - You ever just wish that you could suddenly turn everything to ice and just melt into the world?

Girl - *blah blah blah*
Player - *changing gears, or purposefully misinterpreting what she said* <- this is the line that changes from neutral to sexual

"Haha, you would totally be the type that would..."

(what this does is tell the girl you're not super serious, and you're here to play. Most girls recognize this. Not even on a conscious level - it's a social script. Just like when someone asks you what the time is, or when the train is coming, or hold the door - you just do it automatically. She will typically just fall in line.)

Girl - *blah blah blah, defending herself*

Player - I can already tell that you're a bad girl wearing good girl's clothing...don't lie to me!

*boom* You've heated up the conversation with maybe 2 lines.

Introducing the Bad Girl/Good Girl dynamic is the quickest way to transition into whatever naughty things she is in to. Don't be a meathead and start asking her about blowjobs. Hint at the sexual topics, and let it go.

There are all sorts of flourishes and nuances that you can add in to this
- when she lights your cig, you cup her hands in yours - break the touch barrier
- you can say at the end of the above,

"i'm a girl expert, and I got you all figured out"

This is going to totally challenge her

The CHALLENGE is what is SEXY to the girl.

You're putting her on the defense.
She likes to go back and forth

Depending on the setting, you can playfully bump her, punch her, or she might be so "enraged" that she'll do that to you. That breaks the touch barrier.

Laughs...challenges...touches....you can then slow the moment down - and go in for one of those movie style kisses.

That's it.

The key to the neutral to sexual is
- Knowing that's what you want to do
- Expecting the girl to play her role - which they typically do
- Giving her material that she can work with (and the best material you can use is HER. Not celebrities, not reality tv,not music - HER)

Once the chick is chatting with you about her, and you're teasing her and having fun with her - you're building the heat. The touches, the allusions, those build the heat.

You can add whatever style you like on top of what I just said. Dark Triad, Dancing Monkey, Amused Mastery, Straight Pimp Game - it doesn't matter. Run whatever you like.

WIA

Thanks. This is brilliant. I will try it the next time I go out.